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rilezani

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

MCG

Mo/W

24 Aug 2006 at 18:02 - 1

You want looks or do you want to kill efficiently? Most people are bent on getting the best gold weapons they can find - BIG MISTAKE! The only true max gold weapons with max modifiers go for hundreds of thousands of gold and numerous ectos…. If you want to kill and win more often, get true max weapons….

Green weapons are max out to begin with and you cannot adjust to your specifications - you don’t like it configuration, don’t buy. However, if you look around, you will find one that fits your style and will probably be fairly reasonable compared to golds that are “almost” as good as the green.

Collector’s weapons are largely overlooked in the game because they are blue. NEWS FLASH! COLOR DOES NOT KILL, STATS DO! Collector’s weapons can be earned and you can add the max modifiers to fit your style and needs. My two elementalists have 20/20 staffs with +5 insightful head, +30 health wrap for air, water, fire, and earth staff that cost me some time to get the staff and about 8k in mods. For 40k, you cannot GET one staff anything close to that killing power.

If you want to look pretty; get a cheap zodiac, fellblade, storm bow, or whatever fits your fancy, put in your weapon set #4 to grab just before the cutscene. Otherwise go green or collectors with mods and kill all the pretty boys and girls….!

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

24 Aug 2006 at 18:05 - 2

I agree, colors doesn't mean shit when it come to skills and mods on the weapon. My ele used mostly collector item since i can modify it to fit her build.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

24 Aug 2006 at 18:06 - 3

I don't understand. Why do you care what other people choose to spend their money on?

rilezani

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

MCG

Mo/W

24 Aug 2006 at 18:11 - 4

don't care what other people spend their money on - but most people 'think" they have to spend money - not true.

rilezani

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

MCG

Mo/W

24 Aug 2006 at 18:14 - 5

YES! Yet most people still do not have a clue.........

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

24 Aug 2006 at 18:14 - 6

Nah price has always been tied to skin first, mods second. Even a crap weapon with a rare skin will sell for a little bit more than a regular crap weapon. I thought everyone knew that. I'm sure everyone realizes that there are collectors weapons out there that do the same damage and have the same mods. People pay the premium prices for the "cool"factor of having a rare skinned weapon or shield.

Apache_Planeswalker

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

24 Aug 2006 at 18:15 - 7

Anyone buying a perfect gold knows about Collectors/Greens. Anyone buying a perfect rare gold buys it for the rarity, not to farm.

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

24 Aug 2006 at 18:16 - 8

I tried selling a good collector shield to some warrior for 1/100th of the cost of a normal rare max shield, and he didn't want it. He'd prefer non-max golds with an even uglier skin. Odd isn't it?

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

24 Aug 2006 at 18:18 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

I tried selling a good collector shield to some warrior for 1/100th of the cost of a normal rare max shield, and he didn't want it. He'd prefer non-max golds with an even uglier skin. Odd isn't it?

T_T thats sad.

rilezani

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

MCG

Mo/W

24 Aug 2006 at 18:19 - 10

I am not saying buying gold is bad, but it is the teaching that is associated with always striving to buy gold that I am talking about.

The rich buy Mercedes because it is the best - but the masses who strive to buy mercedes usually run into financial difficulties or at least headaches.........

rilezani

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

MCG

Mo/W

24 Aug 2006 at 18:21 - 11

by the way, my volvo S80 is safer, better gas mileage, lower services costs, and more comfortable than a S500 - and it cost less.....

Jestah

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Mo/Me

24 Aug 2006 at 18:24 - 12

People buy vanity weapons because RPG games typically attract grinders. Being as it's against the nature of the game's balance to overpower the items themselves, they allow people to sink gold on rare skins instead.

Seems to me you're just whining because you can't afford it. It's a common notion among scrubs - "If you can't beat em, discredit em".

rilezani

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

MCG

Mo/W

24 Aug 2006 at 18:26 - 13

The value of something is what the person buying it is willing to pay. If you like spending hundreds of thousands on something you can spend a few plats for, you are definitely the product of someone who wants to "keep up with the Jones." People like that live a "life of quiet desperation....."

Cracko

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

24 Aug 2006 at 18:29 - 14

All about the skin.

EagleEye33

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

In a House...duh

Untouchable Heroes

R/E

24 Aug 2006 at 18:30 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apache_Planeswalker

Anyone buying a perfect gold knows about Collectors/Greens. Anyone buying a perfect rare gold buys it for the rarity, not to farm.

me too, I thought pretty much everyone knew about this, they want those for rarity and skin. Im sure most people do this, cause theres a lot of crystallines out there yet you dont see many using them, they falsh it and then go to there "fighting weapon".

Then again even some mods are expensive so sometimes it cant really be cheap either way.

Jestah

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Mo/Me

24 Aug 2006 at 18:34 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by rilezani

The value of something is what the person buying it is willing to pay. If you like spending hundreds of thousands on something you can spend a few plats for, you are definitely the product of someone who wants to "keep up with the Jones."

I'm not defending my own actions, personally I do things the same way as you do, but PvE is not my thing. But what I am saying is when people finish the game 6 times over they either go to PvP or start farming. They're looking for an achievement that they can show to others. There's only so much content you can have in a game, the lastability has to come from repeatable stuff.

It really isn't so hard to believe is it? do you go around saying the same shit to people driving expensive cars?

OMG noob you got a porsche!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by rilezani

People like that live a "life of quiet desperation....."

Yet another amateur Psychologist.

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

W/R

24 Aug 2006 at 18:39 - 17

The OP is explaining (especially good info for newer players) that you don't have to have that 100k+ for a "rare" or 60k+ for a green to get a great weapon. Those high-price weapons are vanity items.

If you just want a weapon with those mods, you can build your own, using collector or (same-skin lower-quality) drops and salvaging the mods to put on them.

As any experienced player will tell you, one weapon is not suitable for all areas. You need different mods for different enemies/areas. Why spend all your money on one.

rilezani

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

MCG

Mo/W

24 Aug 2006 at 18:40 - 18

The "life of quiet desperation" means that people spend too much and do not have enough to live on. No one gives anyone crap about owning something - except the repo man who comes to take your porsche away because you did not make the payments....

rilezani

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

MCG

Mo/W

24 Aug 2006 at 18:48 - 19

Summation: If you want the best, go buy it - but know you do not HAVE to....

I am off, have a good one all

Chilly Ress

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Kinetic Fusion [kF]

Me/

24 Aug 2006 at 19:13 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

I tried selling a good collector shield to some warrior for 1/100th of the cost of a normal rare max shield, and he didn't want it. He'd prefer non-max golds with an even uglier skin. Odd isn't it?

Way most games are because of the elitism idealists.

Venice Queen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Washington, DC

A Most Excellent Guild [DUDE]

Mo/Me

24 Aug 2006 at 19:16 - 21

Armor > Health
Adreanaline > Penatration

Better and cheaper melee weapon

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

24 Aug 2006 at 19:20 - 22

Req 10-12 is as good as req 7-9 (for most purposes, but not in rare situations)
14>50 is almost exactly the same as 15>50 (only difference is some (1ish) dmg on crits.
etc.

Collector/Green items don't exist in the game for every possible combo of stats. People with a small budget just need to learn how to get exactly what they need AND want for an affordable price.

Eviance

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Eh I forget... o_O

Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP]

R/

24 Aug 2006 at 19:26 - 23

Not such a new concept OP - but yes most people are dense and they enjoy running around with their uber leet stuff.

When the Bulwark first came out people spent outragious amounts for it. I had a guildie that I tried to talk out of buying one - I said: give it two weeks and it will be below 100k... no he had to have it right then and now! he spent 100k +5ecto or something obscene. I waited and got mine for 85k two weeks later. Had I been even more patient I could have gotten it for 70-75k but I'm not all about spam.

The shields were no longer selling as easily (cause by now every rich fool had one) and people were still trying to sell them for outragious amounts - now they are virtually worthless!

The same necro green that you pay 60k for, I can make for 10-20k tops! I wish I could say the same for wands ;_;

But yeah I prefer my bone staff with its blue max mods +5 energy mod and nice +5 armor mod to any other green I could have gotten.

supaet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

24 Aug 2006 at 19:27 - 24

To OP, it all depends on how much gold you got, if you have less than 50k in your storage, use collectors and buy imperfect mods. If you have a few hundred k's, use greens, if you have more than 300k+, buy those perfect ones and use perfect mods. Which catagory you think OP belongs to? Are you saying that everyone should use green/blue even if they have enough gold to buy high end skins? It's a natural process, all those who buy gold weapons for 100k+ has used greens and even collector's before. I start using collectors, then move on to greens and finally gold rare skins.

And please, do not try to sell collector items to people. They are almost worthless. Yanman, that warrior already have your collector shield, or he feels that he can get it anytime he wants, thus it has no value at all. It's not sad, it's supply and demand.

what so good about this game is that no matter how much gold you have, you are doing the same killing. Only difference is the look, if you dig it, go earn some gold, if not, use collector's and have fun

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

24 Aug 2006 at 19:33 - 25

GuildWars wiki offers plenty of tips of how to create an effective collector weapon that replicates most greens
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Index_of_unique_item_lists

high prices are mainly about Rare Skins

Extreme Days

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Save The Dolyaks [NUKE]

Mo/Me

24 Aug 2006 at 19:42 - 26

eh... sometimes collectors do not have your weapon, and you will have to spend outragous amounts of cash for it. also a good reason to buy weapons is so that you can telll the differnece ont he stats between the mods. i have 3 +5 energy weapons with 3 different mods, i like the different skins so i can set my weapon sets fast and efficently. thats why i buy skins.. plus every once in a while i get lucky and find a nice rare skinned weapon with the right mods on it and use it for myself.

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

24 Aug 2006 at 19:54 - 27

I had someone in our alliance asking for a great earth (ele) off-hand item.

He and several others were shocked at the Weaponsmith at Vas Armory (GW-Factions) - Earth Scroll, Req 9, Engery +12, 1/2 Casting 1/2 Recharge Earth spells 20%. All for about 5P, 10 Parchment, and 30 Wood. They have them for each element.

I too was suprised when I found the Fire Wand were better then the collector fire wands in orginal GW there.

Point is, not many people realize how good Weapons Smiths, Green's, and Collector's items can be and only think of perfect gold.. never realizing its within there grasp.

2ndName

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

24 Aug 2006 at 20:06 - 28

And don't forget that with the max gold storage cap, people do not mind purchasing expensive weapons.

It is good to start out with collector items and then move up to greens. But once you have more than 1 mil and your characters have all of the nice 15K sets, there is really nothing else to be purchased aside from skills/weapons.

Scutilla

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Tyrian Explorers League

R/P

24 Aug 2006 at 20:16 - 29

I use a mix- if there's a green or collector/crafter item with a skin I like, great. If there's a skin that's more rare, I try to compromise and get decent stats without spending a fortune. Those people who spend hundreds of thousands of gold are the ones that can afford to get the best of both worlds.

I don't have a problem with having less-than-optimal equipment- heck, the Mursaat Bow I use with my Beastmaster build doesn't have a damage mod, but that doesn't matter since my pet's doing most of the damage anyways. And I could spend a fortune on a perfect gold Clouded Maul for my warrior, but I just use the 14>50 purple one I found on my own. Yes, I could use a 15>50 collector Melon Hammer, but looking cool is more important to me than doing +5 damage one out of every hundred attacks.

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

24 Aug 2006 at 20:40 - 30

Golds can drop with mods not available on collector or crafter items.

Wolf_Lone

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Hong Kong

Lost N Found

W/

24 Aug 2006 at 20:53 - 31

It's just a matter of how rich you are.

You can't say someone who drives a Ferrari is stupid when he can drive as fast in a Toyota (consider the speed limit on highways).

While the normal gamers seek perfect stats or rare skins, the ultimate gamers demand both.

Take this example:

Tactics Shield req 9 -5 (20%) +30

The crafter Bronze costs few ks;

The green Sunreach's costs few 10s ks;

The Emblazoned Defender with exactly the same stats was sold for like 100k + 100 ectos.

It's up to you to buy which, though not many can afford the last one.

castanaveras

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

24 Aug 2006 at 20:54 - 32

What am I to do with millions of gold? You gotta spend on something....

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

24 Aug 2006 at 22:04 - 33

Just buy a weapon with 12-13 req. You can get any skin with max dmg and 15% dmg (w/e mod you want) for about 10k. That will run you less than most greens.

Collectors are fine they just do not offer any skins I like.

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

24 Aug 2006 at 23:02 - 34

You can buy some bargins. I bought a lovely storm bow which is worth 30k for only 1/3 of its value.

Inzilbeth

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

West Coast, Canada

Tomahn Tso D'ni

N/Me

24 Aug 2006 at 23:10 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by rilezani

Summation: If you want the best, go buy it - but know you do not HAVE to....

Your last statement just contradicted everything you said previously about using collector/crafter weapons - Are you now implying that the gold expensive weapons are better?

One max weapon isn't better than the another max weapon of the same class and with the same mods - just a matter of personnal preference as to which "look" you like best.

aB-

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

24 Aug 2006 at 23:28 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by rilezani

The only true max gold weapons with max modifiers go for hundreds of thousands of gold and numerous ectos….

I'm sorry, but this is already false. Only rare skinned weapons sell for high amounts. You can easily find 15>50 golds for 10-20k if they're a disliked skin.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rilezani

The value of something is what the person buying it is willing to pay. If you like spending hundreds of thousands on something you can spend a few plats for, you are definitely the product of someone who wants to "keep up with the Jones." People like that live a "life of quiet desperation....."

Oh yeah, because I would much rather just let my gold accumulate instead of spending it. When someone has an excess of gold, why not spend it on a nice item with a rare skin?

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

24 Aug 2006 at 23:33 - 37

did anyone actually not know this?

another news flash: you can map back and forth between towns instead of travelling through each zone

edit: I'll agree with the many others who posted that the high cost of a high-end weapon is more about the rareness, skin, and 'gotta have it factor' (to borrow a term from Car & Driver), not about the perfect mods (which aren't that uncommon with upgrades)

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

24 Aug 2006 at 23:35 - 38

personally i prefer skins on staffs rather than if i have a 80% chance of doing nothing

Stockholm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Censored

R/

24 Aug 2006 at 23:39 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by rilezani

by the way, my volvo S80 is safer, better gas mileage, lower services costs, and more comfortable than a S500 - and it cost less.....

And my BMW beats the Volvo hands down, NO SERVICE COST AT ALL, beat that

on topic
Weapons are a Vanity thing in GW, if you don't play PvP after finishing the plot you can farm for weapons, titles, rare materials or gold, then spend it on what ever tickles your fanny

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

24 Aug 2006 at 23:48 - 40

Interesting topic, which Avarre wrote me an essay about earlier. Those with purchasing power (stacks of ectos) buy expensive items purely for rarity's sake. People don't spend a fortune on req. 7 15>50 swords because it means they can spread their attributes around more (I mean who ever uses 7 swordsmanship?) but they are so few and far between that they're sought after. He who owns this req. 7 15>50 is in control of its value because demand is high, supply is exceptionally low and the owner can command its selling price - hence 100k+stacks.

Personally, i'd choose a req. 13 over a req. 8 because I would save so much gold and my weapon attributes are always at least 14 (virtually never below 16) yet I'm thinking from a practical point of view. Most people who handle crystallines and dwarvens don't customize them because they plan to sell it on. Its silly in my mind but its how some people play and enjoy the game.