for adren, you know...which you think would be better? Hundred uses energy and strikes all foes next to your target twice, mix that with berserkers and you get auto adren for any adren skills you have (dont use it before hundred of course). But same thing using Dragons has more damage output and also regains some adren, but it is up to preference.
im using a hundred/server/gash, easy simple, start off with undred, even on one foe can give you decent damage and some extra adren from a single "attack" and lets you quickly use server/gash on meaty targets.
But as stated, Dragons has a potention for higher damage and returns adren on hit, but itself costing a hefty amount of adrenaline to build, not taking into account berserkers.
Anyone ever done any tests or experiements discerning the two?
Dragon Slash vs Hundred Blades
Chronos the Defiler
MercenaryKnight
It probably depends on your build. I have heard that people use the for great justic(unsure of name of skill) with the dragon slash, and I think sun and moon slash to keep using the skills over and over again from all the extra adrenaline. I personally would much rather use dragon slash, just because it's adrenaline based.
Chronos the Defiler
For Great Justice looks like it would be nice for the adrenaline generation, but i am wondering if it would beat the extra dmg output and similar adren gain from a speef buff skill (even if its flurry, you are deadling damage none the less)
although i was planning on trying a Quivering/Sever/Gash mix, but i dont like the fact that sever/gash isnt always handy in PvE
although i was planning on trying a Quivering/Sever/Gash mix, but i dont like the fact that sever/gash isnt always handy in PvE
Xaero Gouki Kriegor
Frenzy + Dragon Slash + "For Great Justice!" + 16 Swordmastery = a 42 damage skill that takes only 1 adrenaline to charge and to spam over and over because of the adrenaline it charges up, and the extra you get from great justice from 1 dragon slash, and the only 1 hit x great justice's boost to equal an almost 1 adrenaline req spiking skill until great justice ends, then you can finish off with a chain of damage attacks ending with a final thrust(if the target isnt already dead from all the previous attacks), with all that being said,
v.s.
Hundredblades, a sword equivalent almost, of Triple Chop, AoE Dmg to Adjacent foes, and strikes them twice, with no damage bonus, but only requires 5 energy, causing no adrenaline usage but has a recharge of an average energy attack skill, and can only start off at charging up the beginning of a combo attack
thats my view in the matter . . .
v.s.
Hundredblades, a sword equivalent almost, of Triple Chop, AoE Dmg to Adjacent foes, and strikes them twice, with no damage bonus, but only requires 5 energy, causing no adrenaline usage but has a recharge of an average energy attack skill, and can only start off at charging up the beginning of a combo attack
thats my view in the matter . . .
SnipiousMax
Dragon Slash takes 10 adrenaline to charge up Intially, but after that it really only requires five adrenaline as the +adrenaline counts towards your next Dragon Slash. If you have other sword attacks, then that means you are almost constantly using a sword attack skill. That's why I think it blows Hundred Blades away.
Marty Silverblade
Dragon Slash because with "For Great Justice" it can be spammed.
Rera
Dragon Slash requires 10a initially, not 8a.
Hundred Blades is not anywhere near Triple Chop in effectiveness. First of all, Triple Chop hits all adjacent allies, whereas Hundred Blades hits target foe and all foes adjacent to your target. *This is a significant difference*. Triple Chop will almost always hit more targets than HB because of this mechanic. Second of all, Hundred Blades lacks a damage bonus, so it does no damage against late-game enemeis (each hit will rarely break 10~15 damage). Triple Chop guarantees a +42 on every hit.
Hundred Blades needs to hit 3 targets in order to surpass the per-use adrenalin gain of Dragon Slash. HB is also far less spammable than DS due to the 8s recharge, and will therefore result in less adrenalin gain over time. The primary advantage of Hundred Blades is providing the initial adrenalin spike.
HB is a novelty skill that I only take on low-level missions, because it looks cool. It's pretty much useless in any area that actually requires a skillbar to beat.
Hundred Blades is not anywhere near Triple Chop in effectiveness. First of all, Triple Chop hits all adjacent allies, whereas Hundred Blades hits target foe and all foes adjacent to your target. *This is a significant difference*. Triple Chop will almost always hit more targets than HB because of this mechanic. Second of all, Hundred Blades lacks a damage bonus, so it does no damage against late-game enemeis (each hit will rarely break 10~15 damage). Triple Chop guarantees a +42 on every hit.
Hundred Blades needs to hit 3 targets in order to surpass the per-use adrenalin gain of Dragon Slash. HB is also far less spammable than DS due to the 8s recharge, and will therefore result in less adrenalin gain over time. The primary advantage of Hundred Blades is providing the initial adrenalin spike.
HB is a novelty skill that I only take on low-level missions, because it looks cool. It's pretty much useless in any area that actually requires a skillbar to beat.
Mr.H.Mishima
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HB is a novelty skill that I only take on low-level missions, because it looks cool. It's pretty much useless in any area that actually requires a skillbar to beat. Maybe you should pair up HB with a Vamp weapon and something like Predatory Season or something like Live Vicariously/Vigorous Spirit.
It's situations like these where it really shines.
SnipiousMax
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Dragon Slash requires 10a initially, not 8a.
Your right, I fixed it.
I still only requires one more strike than Quivering Blade, deals more damage and gives you the adrenaline on top of everything.
I still only requires one more strike than Quivering Blade, deals more damage and gives you the adrenaline on top of everything.
Age
What would you say in 13 sword the adrenal build up that I would need?I do like HD blades depending on what I am doing.I was useing final thrust as my last skill on my bar but I capped DS and have begun to like it I have heard paired with galath slash and silver slash.I can't go any higher in sword with a rune and I want to stick with a minor so how is 13?
Xasew
Get a +1 Sword Helm and a Superior Rune.
I'd definitely get Dragon Slash.
I'd definitely get Dragon Slash.
Angel Develin
They are both great skills, I love them both and use them alot.
there is only one thing i like most about Hundred blades, that is if you use a sword with zealous hilt then you would have no energy problems(use it on an energy based build) and with more foes around you build up adrenaline realy fast specialy when you use final trust, it's great.
I wish I could use them both :P
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there is only one thing i like most about Hundred blades, that is if you use a sword with zealous hilt then you would have no energy problems(use it on an energy based build) and with more foes around you build up adrenaline realy fast specialy when you use final trust, it's great.
I wish I could use them both :P
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Tufty
Hundred blades with victos blade seems to work nice for me. Admittedly I havent tried all these other builds but when I solo farm wardens hundred blades spikes my health back up nicely as well as doing some damage and charging up galraths and silverwing. Im guessing it's usefull in context as a sword skill
Firesword
I'd recommend Dragon Slash, with For Great Justice you can spam adrenaline skills like crazy. I use Tiger Stance to charge up adrenaline at the start, then Galrath and Silverwing for damage, then use FGJ and Dragon Slash (FGJ gives you 10 adrenaline at 16 Swordsmanship). Then just spam attack skills
easyg
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Originally Posted by Rera
Hundred Blades is not anywhere near Triple Chop in effectiveness. First of all, Triple Chop hits all adjacent allies, whereas Hundred Blades hits target foe and all foes adjacent to your target. *This is a significant difference*. Triple Chop will almost always hit more targets than HB because of this mechanic. Second of all, Hundred Blades lacks a damage bonus, so it does no damage against late-game enemeis (each hit will rarely break 10~15 damage). Triple Chop guarantees a +42 on every hit.
Actually, you can hit a lot of stuff with Hundred Blades. It just takes a little practice. Against 10 minotaurs, for instance, once they are all close to you, but not surrounding you, take a few steps back and target closest. The minos will follow, piling into a tiny little spot in front of your character. When you activate HB, every mino will be hit twice. Combine with Judge's Insight for pretty decent damage. Actually, a bug will allow HB to hit monsters in back of you too, but that might be considered an exploit so I'll say no more.
HB is also excellent for healing. With Vigorous Spirit, Live Vicarious and a vampiric sword mod, it's possible regain massive amounts of health very quickly with Hundred Blades. Against those minos, it would produce a healing burst in the hundreds depending on how you are set up. Could be 400 or more depending on points in Healing Prayer.
In the screen shot, my warrior is using HB against 7 minos (a few have already died), healing herself for an instant 392 health. Not exactly useless....
Actually, you can hit a lot of stuff with Hundred Blades. It just takes a little practice. Against 10 minotaurs, for instance, once they are all close to you, but not surrounding you, take a few steps back and target closest. The minos will follow, piling into a tiny little spot in front of your character. When you activate HB, every mino will be hit twice. Combine with Judge's Insight for pretty decent damage. Actually, a bug will allow HB to hit monsters in back of you too, but that might be considered an exploit so I'll say no more.
HB is also excellent for healing. With Vigorous Spirit, Live Vicarious and a vampiric sword mod, it's possible regain massive amounts of health very quickly with Hundred Blades. Against those minos, it would produce a healing burst in the hundreds depending on how you are set up. Could be 400 or more depending on points in Healing Prayer.
In the screen shot, my warrior is using HB against 7 minos (a few have already died), healing herself for an instant 392 health. Not exactly useless....
Rera
I thought we were comparing HB to DS?
Farming builds will always find uses for otherwise useless skills (like Gladiator's Defense). I don't particularly care about that, because it's an extremely specialized case.
That said, Triple Chop would have hit all of those minotaurs without any positioning tricks, and it would have done more damage. It would have healed you for half as much (which is the one area where HB is any good: on-hit modifiers), and given you half as much adrenalin, but considering that you're farming against 10+ enemies, you're going to be over-gaining on both healing and adrenalin anyway.
Cyclone Axe + Triple Chop costs an extra skill slot, but it's easier to use, does more damage, and splits your adrenalin and health gain so you waste less.
Regardless, Dragon Slash vs. Hundred Blades in a typical environment is no contest.
Farming builds will always find uses for otherwise useless skills (like Gladiator's Defense). I don't particularly care about that, because it's an extremely specialized case.
That said, Triple Chop would have hit all of those minotaurs without any positioning tricks, and it would have done more damage. It would have healed you for half as much (which is the one area where HB is any good: on-hit modifiers), and given you half as much adrenalin, but considering that you're farming against 10+ enemies, you're going to be over-gaining on both healing and adrenalin anyway.
Cyclone Axe + Triple Chop costs an extra skill slot, but it's easier to use, does more damage, and splits your adrenalin and health gain so you waste less.
Regardless, Dragon Slash vs. Hundred Blades in a typical environment is no contest.
Age
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Originally Posted by Xasew
Get a +1 Sword Helm and a Superior Rune.
I'd definitely get Dragon Slash. I got Dragon Slash I was wondering though how is 13 in sword for it.I don't want to get a superior rune yet and mine is in my gauntlets not halmet that is tactics.
I'd definitely get Dragon Slash. I got Dragon Slash I was wondering though how is 13 in sword for it.I don't want to get a superior rune yet and mine is in my gauntlets not halmet that is tactics.
Nathan the Skank
HB needs a buff imo. It's above average in the skill department. Honestly I think cyclone axe is better and it isn't even elite.(yea I realize one is for axes and the other for swords)
Eldritch Icefist
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I'd definitely get Dragon Slash. NO QUESTION. D-SLASH ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Winterclaw
for aden purposes, dragon slash would probably be better. However, with the right build, 100 blades isn't quite as bad as it normally is.
Ima Hob0
I have yet to cap hundred blades, but they both are very important to me. If i was to say go ettin farming, i can use galrath, silverwing, and dragon slash, combined with "For Great Justice", im constantly using attack skills. But say I was using a Live Vicariously/Vigerous Spirit build, Hundred Baldes+Sun and Moon slash can result in gaining lots of health. Whoohoo
Age
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Originally Posted by Ima Hob0
I have yet to cap hundred blades, but they both are very important to me. If i was to say go ettin farming, i can use galrath, silverwing, and dragon slash, combined with "For Great Justice", im constantly using attack skills. But say I was using a Live Vicariously/Vigerous Spirit build, Hundred Baldes+Sun and Moon slash can result in gaining lots of health. Whoohoo
They are both great skills in thier own but you are asking more of a farming question so I would go look into the farming forum.
Itokaru
Hmm...Dragon Slash is better overall, but if it's damage you're after, I would go W/Rt and use Splinter Weapon + Hundred Blades. But of course, it's easily outdone by Triple Chop and Cyclone Axe...So if you're going sword, Dragon Slash is better.
AshenX
Id suggest DS over HB for normal pve any day. The use of For Great Justice and Flail (with a cancel stance) generates phenomenal amounts of dmg. Sure you arent generating area effect damage but you are able to kill level 20+ casters in 3-4 seconds. Warriors take a second or two longer at most.
If you compare how quickly you can tear through multiple opponents one after the other to what you could do to multiple opponents with HB you will realize that HB is not in the same league as a good DS build.
Of course the effect of health gain froma vampiric weapon with HB is nice as is the benefit of various skils that give you health for attacking. On the other hand inn general your party will benefit more from you killing off the opposition quickly than from an increase in a warriors defensive capabilities. Let your monk heal you. You kill things.
On a side note recent changes to Lions comfort are such that it can be very effective as a self heal for those situations where you really need one. The fact that it now gives you adrenaline back when it is used makes it almost spammable!
Hope this is helpful.
PS: remember that the best build is the one you enjoy playing the most. If you really like HB and it gets things done for you...enjoy it!!!! cookie cutter builds may very well be extremely effective but this is a game and is meant ot be fun.
If you compare how quickly you can tear through multiple opponents one after the other to what you could do to multiple opponents with HB you will realize that HB is not in the same league as a good DS build.
Of course the effect of health gain froma vampiric weapon with HB is nice as is the benefit of various skils that give you health for attacking. On the other hand inn general your party will benefit more from you killing off the opposition quickly than from an increase in a warriors defensive capabilities. Let your monk heal you. You kill things.
On a side note recent changes to Lions comfort are such that it can be very effective as a self heal for those situations where you really need one. The fact that it now gives you adrenaline back when it is used makes it almost spammable!
Hope this is helpful.
PS: remember that the best build is the one you enjoy playing the most. If you really like HB and it gets things done for you...enjoy it!!!! cookie cutter builds may very well be extremely effective but this is a game and is meant ot be fun.
kobey
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Originally Posted by Itokaru
Hmm...Dragon Slash is better overall, but if it's damage you're after, I would go W/Rt and use Splinter Weapon + Hundred Blades. But of course, it's easily outdone by Triple Chop and Cyclone Axe...So if you're going sword, Dragon Slash is better.
Yeah we know, but you don't have to bump up a 1.5 yrs old thread to make this point. Back then, there isn't pve skills to take into consideration. With pve skills like "Save Yourselves!", brawling headbutt (+steelfang slash), the difference between the 2 elites is widen.
A Leprechaun
Hundred blades is a good skill as it is, but I wouldn't be outraged if it got a buff ^^. Its not really that comparable with Dragon Slash, theyare completely different skills. Dragon slash can keep the adrenaline pumping, only so long as you have an endless supply of foes, and lets not forget it huge original adrenaline cost.
Hundred Blades is great to, if you wanted to run it with "Save Yourselves!" it powers it quite well as you can get it up striaght away (not having to charge adrenaline).
And lets not forget that under "For Great Justice!" you only need to hit 2 foes to get an instant 8 adrenline with Hundred Blades, and thats every 6 seconds, which is fine by me.
As I said earlier they arer different skills, I perfer to use HB as I cant be bothere dot charge 10 adrenaline to start my adrenaline chain off .
~A Leprechaun~
Hundred Blades is great to, if you wanted to run it with "Save Yourselves!" it powers it quite well as you can get it up striaght away (not having to charge adrenaline).
And lets not forget that under "For Great Justice!" you only need to hit 2 foes to get an instant 8 adrenline with Hundred Blades, and thats every 6 seconds, which is fine by me.
As I said earlier they arer different skills, I perfer to use HB as I cant be bothere dot charge 10 adrenaline to start my adrenaline chain off .
~A Leprechaun~
Alex the Great
they totally need to give hundred blades +10 damage (for a net +20) at 12 swordsmanship.
otherwise Dragon slash completely wtfpwns pve
otherwise Dragon slash completely wtfpwns pve
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Xasew
Get a +1 Sword Helm and a Minor Rune.
I'd definitely get Dragon Slash. Fix'd.
Dragon Slash > Hundred Blades, hands down.
With Flail you have "Save Youselves!" instacharged every second, and you have ~80 DPS.
EDIT: *Checks thread posts* Shi--
I'd definitely get Dragon Slash. Fix'd.
Dragon Slash > Hundred Blades, hands down.
With Flail you have "Save Youselves!" instacharged every second, and you have ~80 DPS.
EDIT: *Checks thread posts* Shi--
RhanoctJocosa
Nice necromancing you retards.
Final Thrust > both
Final Thrust > both
netniwk
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Final Thrust > both
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Originally Posted by Chronos the Defiler
for adren, you know...which you think would be better?
/fail
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RhanoctJocosa
you heard bout dis complex thing called humour?
gtfback to riverside you failure
Shaz
Rhanoct is baed
MasterSasori
Hundred blades is one of the worst Warrior elites. Dslash doesn't take nearly as long as you think to charge up, especially with flail, which you should definitely be running in PvE.
Sir Pandra Pierva
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you heard bout dis complex thing called humour?
gtfback to riverside you failure ya i have heard of it and that you fail at it
Seef II
I don't think there's any contest, unless you don't own Factions... Cripslash just doesn't pull its weight in PvE (but what else would you run?).
RhanoctJocosa
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ya i have heard of it and that you fail at it
don't think you get it.
hi shaz babe
Shaz
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
ya i have heard of it and that you fail at it
No u
And Rhanoct is still bad
English Warrior
Dragon Slash any day 100 Blades needs a buff like ' Attacks Target Foe and all Adjacent Foe and Deals +10..30 Damage' we can hope till then Dragon Slash best sword elite.
Sir Pandra Pierva
if they buffed hundred blades that would be awsome. but still not even close to par with a d-slasher
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