Am I the only one...

Mrscoombes

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2006

Crimson Skullfuks

A/R

...who was dissapointed and sort of peeved at the phoenix skin? I always thought phoenixes were made out of fire, but really the phoenix in game looks like a giant parrot, infact, I named mine 'Polly' because all the newer players keep saying 'OMG COOL PET PARROT, POLLY WANNA CRACKER?!' and such...

And to all Dev's out there, i'm not criticising, i'm just saying it could of been a tiny bit flashier for an elite pet. Just look at the spider. It's the size of a dog. Its shell has a really cool colour ( i.m.o ) I think the phoenix could be bigger, or firey, or perhaps have a special fire-related skill, like a bear will use Brutal Mauling on occasion.

Your opinions?

st3v3n

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/Mo

i agree. so far its not really worth beating the game to get.

johan the destroyer

johan the destroyer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

The Spirits of Vengeance [TSoV]

W/Mo

Yeah, I would LOVE having a pheonix follow me around...but its ON FIRE! Or something of that nature...make it cooler and worth the effort!

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

Lore Difference.

The ASIAN Pheonix (Fenghuang) is as presented. With different colors of plumage.

You are more likely to know about Egyptian Pheonix lore about a bird that is born and dies in Flames.

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

If guildwiki was online right now, you can go google it.


The egyptian phoenix is the one you describe ( see /rank 12 )

End-game phoenix = chinese phoenix. Exactly like the pet looks like.

Curse You

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

Do you people never check GuildWiki, or do you just not know it exists?

The Phoenix in Factions is not an Egyptian Phoenix, it is a Fenghuang (Asian Phoenix). You must be thick to think that they would have an Egyptian beast in a Asian based game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenghuang

Mustache Mayhem

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

BEN

R/N

it looks alright think.. I leveled one up- probably be more popular as a fiery pheonix.. the chapter is asian based though

Rabid China Girl

Rabid China Girl

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Simply Tasteful Delicacies [STD]

I'm a huge fan of Asian/Chinese lore, so I was pretty excited that they actually made the phoenix look like the Chinese FengHuang.. except a lot less flashier than how many statues and reliefs portray it (think peacock). Would've been SO kick ass if they had a Chinese dragon for a pet... but when I first saw the phoenix, I thought it looked somewhat like a cross between the traditional Asian phoenix and a dragon (just looking at the head, it sort of has a reptilian look, I'd say)... so yay to that. A Chinese dragon woulda' been even harder to accept, I guess.. since it really looks nothing like a Western dragon.

Believe it or not, I was WORRIED they'd make it a Western/Egyptian phoenix...

Some people have complimented my pet while some others have called it an ugly chicken or done the, "Polly wanna cracker?!" bit.

pokerface

pokerface

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

The Netherlands

Guardians of the Grail

R/Mo

Well Nightfall will be Egyptian style.....................so dont give up hope yet

Selena_Lionheart

Selena_Lionheart

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Nova Alliance [Nova]

R/

I'm glad its based more off the Chinese FengHuang, I only have one issue with it. The heck is up with the horn...

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

I prefer the Wolf as I am more of canine person and the Dragon is more European.When you look at Norse or Viking long ships at bow you will see the head of a Dragon as when in fog that was the breath of the Dragon so there is lots of lore in Northern Europe.

Enchanted Warrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/Mo

"Looks like a ruddy pigeon on 'roids" as a guildy put it LOL

Nevin

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerface
Well Nightfall will be Egyptian style.....................so dont give up hope yet
Correction: African

TheOneAndOnlyX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Last Sacrens

N/Me

No I am theoneandonly not you

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevin
Correction: African
You could use the same nit-picking at words with Factions.

Shing Jea and Kaineng area are the only ones that really hold true to Asian standards...

Nothing to "Asian" about Goth looking pale people that live in trees.

Tachyon

Tachyon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Stoke, England

The Godless [GOD]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrscoombes
I always thought phoenixes were made out of fire
The traditional 'fiery' Phoenix (Bennu bird) have never been made out of fire! They're bird with a red and gold plumage that at the end of it's 'natural' life creates a nest out of cinammon twigs and then ignites it. Both nest and bird burn fiercely until only ashes are left and from said ashes rises a new young phoenix.

EiS

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Save The Dragons

R/Mo

Ya i remember reading on site somewhere that the pheniox is only made of fire when they die and raise out of its ashes then they a made of fire

Mister O

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Phoenix does look like what we saw in game, but that's only for female phoenix (with rainbow color) while the male phoenix should look black and ugly.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister O
Phoenix does look like what we saw in game, but that's only for female phoenix (with rainbow color) while the male phoenix should look black and ugly.
Commonly now the Chinese Pheonix is only thought of as feminine - While the Dragon is its masculine equal.

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BTW, if you want a parrallel in common culture, The Pokemon "Ho-oh" is based off the Chinese Pheonix, Hohoh is actually how the Japanese refer to the bird (actually "hō-ō" but whatever)

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
Nothing to "Asian" about Goth looking pale people that live in trees.
The tree part maybe, but you really should check out kabuki theatre, the Kurzicks look a lot like Kabuki actors, especially Danika.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

Rank 12 emote = phoenix
End game pet = turkey + parrot hybrid.

<---also disappointed.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Phoenix Schmoenix...

I hate how the damn thing moves, the tiny stuttering fluttering hops, the droopy wings. It's annoying to look at. I had one for all of 2 minutes before I got rid of it and went off to find a red crab.

tomcruisejr

tomcruisejr

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrscoombes
...who was dissapointed and sort of peeved at the phoenix skin? I always thought phoenixes were made out of fire, but really the phoenix in game looks like a giant parrot, infact, I named mine 'Polly' because all the newer players keep saying 'OMG COOL PET PARROT, POLLY WANNA CRACKER?!' and such...

And to all Dev's out there, i'm not criticising, i'm just saying it could of been a tiny bit flashier for an elite pet. Just look at the spider. It's the size of a dog. Its shell has a really cool colour ( i.m.o ) I think the phoenix could be bigger, or firey, or perhaps have a special fire-related skill, like a bear will use Brutal Mauling on occasion.

Your opinions?
imo they shouldve made the fully leveled phoenix as big as the moa, or even bigger.

i have no complaints bout its features/skin.

guildwarsnerd

guildwarsnerd

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

FoW Beach

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
You could use the same nit-picking at words with Factions.

Shing Jea and Kaineng area are the only ones that really hold true to Asian standards...

Nothing to "Asian" about Goth looking pale people that live in trees.
Japanese women in the 1400-1600's wore make-up to make their faces look white. It was a fashion craze in Japan in those days, I guess.

P.S: They don't live in trees. I'm guessing you're a Luxon, eh?

guildwarsnerd

guildwarsnerd

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

FoW Beach

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by makosi
Rank 12 emote = phoenix
End game pet = turkey + parrot hybrid.

<---also disappointed.
You know, Factions is Asian-Themed? If they put a fiery Phoenix, that would ruin it. The Chinese FengHuang would be better in an ASIAN-themed game, right?

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Japanese Geisha Vs Danika


Hmn...any similarities are completely unintentional... -.-

saying that only Shing Jea and Kaineng are asian influenced shows a vast hole where knowledge should exist and only continues to permeate the stereotype that all asia is china or something.

Lets list some asian countries: Pakistan, India, Mongolia, Myanmar, Taiwan, North and South Korea, China, Indonesia, The Philippines, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam...Russia. You know...its big..

They could have taken influences and stylings from anything.

Rabid China Girl

Rabid China Girl

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Simply Tasteful Delicacies [STD]

It has always confused me.. but is Russia not considered Eastern Europe?

VanDamselx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

[TTBH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabid China Girl
It has always confused me.. but is Russia not considered Eastern Europe?
Russia spans across both Eastern Europe and Asia.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

Quote:
saying that only Shing Jea and Kaineng are asian influenced shows a vast hole where knowledge should exist and only continues to permeate the stereotype that all asia is china or something.
"Asia" pretty much means "China/Japan/Korea" (or similar neighbering country) when you say something is "Asian Themed".

Just because other countries are in there doesn't mean that is what you are talking about when you say "Asian".

When people say something is "American" they aren't talking about Canada, Mexico, or South American countries/etc....you KNOW they are refering to one specific American country - The United States.

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to both peopel that replyed to me:

Women put white makeup on...sooo....Alot different than the Goth-wannabe style they gave most Kurzicks. As for the picture, I see little similarity except for the cookie cutter default "make um look Asian" hairstyle and face (one that is basically shared, with some changes, by alot of Kurzick women). And this is soemthing they only tryed to "asian-ify" with the women....Most Kurzick men don't even look Asian, in figure or style (I'll be waiting on you to frantically go and screenshot as many Asian looking Kurzick men as you can to prove that one wrong )

As for Kurzicks living in Trees: "...the Kurzicks have built their elaborate homes and cathedrals directly into the fossil trunks of enorous trees that make up the forest"........Mind Reading about the Kurzicks, or even LOOKING at any Kurzick town before trying to shoot me down with weak insults...

ChildeOfMalkav

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

I think the phoenix looks fine, but I went for something less flashy just because I dont go for flash. It's sort of sad to see people being so narrow minded about how a phoenix should look like though.

tomcruisejr

tomcruisejr

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

Cantha = China
Kurzick = Russia
Luxons = Coastal and Island countries of Asia
Shing Jea = Taiwan

ok?

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
stuff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonholing

MMSDome

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
Japanese Geisha Vs Danika


Hmn...any similarities are completely unintentional... -.-

saying that only Shing Jea and Kaineng are asian influenced shows a vast hole where knowledge should exist and only continues to permeate the stereotype that all asia is china or something.

Lets list some asian countries: Pakistan, India, Mongolia, Myanmar, Taiwan, North and South Korea, China, Indonesia, The Philippines, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam...Russia. You know...its big..

They could have taken influences and stylings from anything.
I wish we could have seen more Middle Eastern qualities but when people say asian they arent usually referring to the middle east even though it is part of the continent.

People everything in the game doesnt have to be like it is in real life. They could have taken the name phoenix and made it a pet rabbit if they wanted to. GUILD WARS IS NOT BASED OF REAL LIFE. With me using the famous caps lock I am saying that guild wars and real life will not be exactly the same or similar at all. For instance you have eastern Asians with a German sounding last name of House zu Heltzer using Gothic Architecture which is sooo not eastern asia style.

To sum it up do not expect qualities of Guild Wars to be near or exactly the same as in real life or real life myth because the devs can do what they want.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
They could have taken influences and stylings from anything.
Just to reiterate, agreeing with MMSDome

moriz

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

R/

i just want to capture those phoenixes at the end with the emperor. those things are frigging HUGE!

....or at least, bigger than the standard phoenix

Rabid China Girl

Rabid China Girl

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Simply Tasteful Delicacies [STD]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MMSDome
I wish we could have seen more Middle Eastern qualities but when people say asian they arent usually referring to the middle east even though it is part of the continent.

People everything in the game doesnt have to be like it is in real life. They could have taken the name phoenix and made it a pet rabbit if they wanted to. GUILD WARS IS NOT BASED OF REAL LIFE. With me using the famous caps lock I am saying that guild wars and real life will not be exactly the same or similar at all. For instance you have eastern Asians with a German sounding last name of House zu Heltzer using Gothic Architecture which is sooo not eastern asia style.

To sum it up do not expect qualities of Guild Wars to be near or exactly the same as in real life or real life myth because the devs can do what they want.
I would consider the Ritualists to be a more Middle Eastern aspect of Factions. They certainly aren't the stereotypical Far East Asian... theme. But I do see your point. It's hard to swollow if you think everything is supposed to be a certain way. Still, a lot of people do complain the game is "too Asian." Don't know where people get that from.

Energizer Deth Buni

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

Near Atlanta GA

MVoA

N/Me

As far Asian themed... in what way does a Luxon look Asian?

Turbo Wombat

Turbo Wombat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Centeral Texas

Heros of Titans Realm

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcruisejr
Cantha = China
Kurzick = Russia
Luxons = Coastal and Island countries of Asia
Shing Jea = Taiwan

ok?
To be a little more specific:

Shing Jea: Traditional China
Kaineng City: Walled City of Kowloon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City)
Echovlad Forest: Germany/Centeral Europe
Jade Sea: Oceania/Southeastern Pacific Rim

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Energizer Deth Buni
As far Asian themed... in what way does a Luxon look Asian?
Luxons are very southeast asian/oceanian.

I found an interesting image...

Mustache Mayhem

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

BEN

R/N

man kowloon seemed like a good place to live around- you could eat dog there lol