Who here wants to see more classes added to GW?

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

Who here wants to see more classes added to GW after Nightfall is released?I sure don't want to se any more classes as it is hard enough to but the right balance of group together.I prefer to stick with the core class only.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

and i prefer not to stick with one stale recycled set of professions because some players cant keep new additional fun things from getting mixed up.

keep bringing on more variety and fun to spice things up

actionjack

actionjack

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Kali

W/E

I hope they have more innovative classes.. not just re-combination of existing ones.

Quantum Duck

Quantum Duck

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Err7

Me/

I hope they keep adding more classes. There are still plenty of really creative and fun things they could do that they havn't yet. When the classes start getting boring and uninteresting, then I'll want them to stop.

llsektorll

llsektorll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Canada

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Age
Who here wants to see more classes added to GW after Nightfall is released?I sure don't want to se any more classes as it is hard enough to but the right balance of group together.I prefer to stick with the core class only.
if you can't take the heat get out of the fire...

new professions = new builds = more fun

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

sticking with core classes? *snore*

I enjoy getting the unexpected but seriously awesome combo from a mixed group.

castanaveras

castanaveras

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

No more new class plz!!!! we have enought already!

p.s I still don't have time to play a ranger or assissin yet.

Dante the Warlord

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/R

i think they should add classes, but classes only to that continent. So no Canthan characters in nightfall (ritualist and asassin) unless you traveled there by an addition account.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord
i think they should add classes, but classes only to that continent. So no Canthan characters in nightfall (ritualist and asassin) unless you traveled there by an addition account.
ummmm..........thats the way it already is.

Markaedw

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
ummmm..........thats the way it already is.
And some of us (me included) are not happy about it!

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

More classes please. New expansions with no new class are going to be BORING.

saphir

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

doa

Mo/

yay for new things!

how about a martial arts class - uses only their hands and feet as their weaspons
or an fantasy engineer type class - instead of pets, they get mini catapults, balista's and cannons

i'd still like to see immense 2 handed weapons - eg. 2 handed swords, scythes (like the dervish), poleaxes, halbeards and thrown weapons like knives =)

seven

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

keep those new classes and skills coming

Carth`

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

No new classes please.

One day, some time in the future, all the people asking for new classes now will be complaining as the problems with adding new classes start to manifest themselves.

Problems with adding new classes every 6 months:
1. More work for the developers means less time/money/effort potentially spent on other content, such as PvE. I'd rather play through a fantastic PvE game with my current character, than a crap one with a new character.
2. Harder and harder to find a certain class for a group, as the population becomes more divided into different classes, vis-à-vis monks. All they can do to combat this, is provide classes like the ritualist that can help a bit with keeping people alive. You'll all be complaining when you have a 1 in 12 chance of getting a monk in your party of 8 because there are 12 different classes trying to complete the missions.
3. Frustrating for people who want to try the new classes in PvE. It means you can spend less and less time on each character. I'd much prefer to work on making one character the best I can, than making 8 characters average. I want to roleplay a character. With all these expansions, it's more like a new game every time, with a new character in a new location. Either make an expansion, or make a new game. Don't try to do both or you end up alienating someone. This is related to the problem with the populations being separated, so districts in earlier chapters will become empty.
4. It gets harder and harder to balance the skills with each other as the possibilities expand exponentially. You'll all be complaining to ANerf when your favourite Prophecies skill gets nerfed in order to stop it being too powerful when used with a skill from a new class.
5. The new classes are a gimmick designed to get you all excited and think it will be worth buying a new chapter just to gain access to the new class. If it had a monthly fee, they could just release new areas, but in order to justify paying for a new game, they have to add something else. It's the result of a flawed business model.

But enjoy your new classes anyway.

Count to Potato

Count to Potato

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Imagination Land

I Swear She Was Eighteen [Gwen]

W/

Yes i would but i think its hard to get new classes with orignality so the Anet team better have good ideas

Amok Affinity

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

[XoO]

E/

i'd prefer new skills (read: extensions to existing classes) to new classes. further classes will be, in essence, specialisations/dillutions of existing classes IN THAT the classes we have at this point in time really do cover all areas, and then some. plus we have dervish & paragon coming in...

for example, i wouldn't want to see more warrior-like warrior classes, or less monk-like monk classes and so forth...

Lilaznboi2011

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

instead of adding new classes...they should probably make chapters with monster characters or like animals you can use, for example warriors or rangers can ride on pet horses or other fantasy animals. and it would be nice to be able to use them to travel places

coldplay

coldplay

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

NYC

Daoine Sidhe

I think in total of 10 classes are enough for 2006-2007.

Sereng Amaranth

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

Monks aren't the only healing class. You didn't even need one in Prophecies.

Carth`

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

I'm not sure what you mean by that. You do need a monk in Prophecies, and another class couldn't heal you, unless it used its monk secondary.

If they make a class to use instead of a monk, they're probably rehashing an old class and making it slightly different. -.-

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

Eventually I want them to stop adding new and just build on the old. What's sad about that is, because of the way the campaigns are set up, they can't add to anything but the main 6 profs. :\

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth`
No new classes please.

One day, some time in the future, all the people asking for new classes now will be complaining as the problems with adding new classes start to manifest themselves.

Problems with adding new classes every 6 months:
1. More work for the developers means less time/money/effort potentially spent on other content, such as PvE. I'd rather play through a fantastic PvE game with my current character, than a crap one with a new character.
I'd rather leave the DEVELOPERS to worry about that. They'll do what they can, so if they think they can't afford to make new classes, they won't make one.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth`
2. Harder and harder to find a certain class for a group, as the population becomes more divided into different classes, vis-à-vis monks. All they can do to combat this, is provide classes like the ritualist that can help a bit with keeping people alive. You'll all be complaining when you have a 1 in 12 chance of getting a monk in your party of 8 because there are 12 different classes trying to complete the missions.
What would prevent you from choosing a monk for your group, even with 360 professions to choose from? PuG group making is not random matching, you know?

Besides, you don't need any one specific class for any mission. What you need is some people to do some specific roles in the mission. You don't scream "We need monk" but instead "We need healer" or "We need Healing Monk". See? And you don't need assassin/ritualist/mesmer/warrior/ranger/whatever in any mission, either.

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Originally Posted by Carth`
3. Frustrating for people who want to try the new classes in PvE. It means you can spend less and less time on each character. I'd much prefer to work on making one character the best I can, than making 8 characters average. I want to roleplay a character. With all these expansions, it's more like a new game every time, with a new character in a new location. Either make an expansion, or make a new game. Don't try to do both or you end up alienating someone. This is related to the problem with the populations being separated, so districts in earlier chapters will become empty.
...Nobody forces you to play new professions if you don't want to. Bah, there're like 12 or more classes to choose from in Anarchy Online and there're also races to consider as well. Yet nobody is frustated by that. Other MMORPGs also have many many more classes/races combinations than GW (even with nightfall).

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Originally Posted by Carth`
4. It gets harder and harder to balance the skills with each other as the possibilities expand exponentially. You'll all be complaining to ANerf when your favourite Prophecies skill gets nerfed in order to stop it being too powerful when used with a skill from a new class.
Again, leave that for the devs to worry about. They'll do what they can.

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Originally Posted by Carth`
5. The new classes are a gimmick designed to get you all excited and think it will be worth buying a new chapter just to gain access to the new class. If it had a monthly fee, they could just release new areas, but in order to justify paying for a new game, they have to add something else. It's the result of a flawed business model.
I disagree. I don't buy new GW chapters because of the new professions. I do because the product as a whole. Flawed business model? Well, I won't go that far if I were you.

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Originally Posted by Carth`
But enjoy your new classes anyway.
Lol sure I will.

RotteN

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

i'm absolutely no fan of 2 new professions every 6 months, i mean, right now, rits and assa have very little use in the pvp scene (other than spirit spammers and base gankers). I'd rather have new skills for those classes, which open up new playing paths, than entirely new classes...

llsektorll

llsektorll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Canada

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth`
No new classes please.

One day, some time in the future, all the people asking for new classes now will be complaining as the problems with adding new classes start to manifest themselves.

Problems with adding new classes every 6 months:
1. More work for the developers means less time/money/effort potentially spent on other content, such as PvE. I'd rather play through a fantastic PvE game with my current character, than a crap one with a new character.
2. Harder and harder to find a certain class for a group, as the population becomes more divided into different classes, vis-à-vis monks. All they can do to combat this, is provide classes like the ritualist that can help a bit with keeping people alive. You'll all be complaining when you have a 1 in 12 chance of getting a monk in your party of 8 because there are 12 different classes trying to complete the missions.
3. Frustrating for people who want to try the new classes in PvE. It means you can spend less and less time on each character. I'd much prefer to work on making one character the best I can, than making 8 characters average. I want to roleplay a character. With all these expansions, it's more like a new game every time, with a new character in a new location. Either make an expansion, or make a new game. Don't try to do both or you end up alienating someone. This is related to the problem with the populations being separated, so districts in earlier chapters will become empty.
4. It gets harder and harder to balance the skills with each other as the possibilities expand exponentially. You'll all be complaining to ANerf when your favourite Prophecies skill gets nerfed in order to stop it being too powerful when used with a skill from a new class.
5. The new classes are a gimmick designed to get you all excited and think it will be worth buying a new chapter just to gain access to the new class. If it had a monthly fee, they could just release new areas, but in order to justify paying for a new game, they have to add something else. It's the result of a flawed business model.

But enjoy your new classes anyway.
you have to understand this game is not all about pve.... pvp is a major portion of this game... and without new professions to test tweak into our builds the game gets boring in teh pvp sector very fast... so i say keep the new profession and skills coming

Zakarr

Zakarr

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Finland

I really like from new professions but I don't want them to next chapter because they can't be creative with the amount of time they have for each chapter. The whole system will be either a mess or too repeative if they keep pushing new ones.

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

/signed for pirates!

Exoudeous

Exoudeous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Honor Warriors

E/

I like the fact we keep getting more classes, will allow for alot more builds, it will be intresting.

The sole reason I stoped playing other online rpgs, is because the community requires you to be cookie cutter or you want get groups

Tufty

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

UK

CUTE

it's getting hard to imagine any new classes that arn't pretty much the same as old ones with tweaks so Im excited to see what will happen next. It'd be nice if only 1 new class each upgrade became available but add further customisation to existing chars. I'd like my armour to look a little more beaten up personally but I wouldnt want that to affect my al. So far Im happy with the way things are going though and I like the new classes although I dont play them (I struggle playing all my other chars as it is) and am excited to see what clever builds you guys will come up mixing th old and new proffs :P

Carth`

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by llsektorll
you have to understand this game is not all about pve.... pvp is a major portion of this game... and without new professions to test tweak into our builds the game gets boring in teh pvp sector very fast... so i say keep the new profession and skills coming
Yes exactly. By trying to separate PvP into something perfectly balanced, they always hurt PvE. They are determined to separate PvP and PvE, but also keep them together. Argh.. it would be better if changes to one didn't affect the other, instead of making skills completely useless in PvE because some PvP players found a way to abuse them in PvP.

But you're right, if all I played was PvP, I'd want new professions too, to keep me interested, otherwise it wouldn't be worth upgrading.

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma
I'd rather leave the DEVELOPERS to worry about that. They'll do what they can, so if they think they can't afford to make new classes, they won't make one.
No, they'll do what they can to sell the game. If they think enough people won't buy it without a new class or a new faction/alliance system, or a new hero that follows you, then they'll waste some time implementing it.

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma
What would prevent you from choosing a monk for your group, even with 360 professions to choose from? PuG group making is not random matching, you know?
No, but it looks like you missed the point. I don't know how to describe it simpler. Let's say you have a six-sided die, and a 3 on this die is a monk. This is Prophecies. Now let's say you have an eight-sided die, are you just as likely to get the 3 when you roll it as you were with the six-sided die? This is Factions. It's not a perfect analogy, for one thing I doubt the professions are divided equally like this. But it's true. I don't understand how you can't see that having 360 professions would make it very unlikely to find a monk.

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma
Besides, you don't need any one specific class for any mission. What you need is some people to do some specific roles in the mission. You don't scream "We need monk" but instead "We need healer" or "We need Healing Monk". See? And you don't need assassin/ritualist/mesmer/warrior/ranger/whatever in any mission, either.
I don't see what your point is here. You often do need a monk in a mission. Sometimes you might need a healer monk, but it's still a monk. So what if you need a role rather than a class? Are you saying the new classes will replace the monk's roles? In that case why not just have a monk, and not add a new class. If that's what you meant, I wasn't sure...

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma
Again, leave that for the devs to worry about. They'll do what they can.
Saying "let the devs worry about it" isn't a solution to a problem. It'll be us it affects when there are skill imbalances or nerfs.

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma
I disagree. I don't buy new GW chapters because of the new professions.
Then why do you care if the next chapters don't have new professions?

Tufty

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

UK

CUTE

I totaly get what your saying about monk thing. Monks are hard enough to come by as it is. But theres always the henchies and people can reskill themselves to compensate for any short fallings with the groups. I always say and it applies with henchies or real people 'as long as noone does anything stupid this'll be easy' if anything it creates new and interesting challenges to overcome. I monked some missions in Cantha with my Ele which was fun and a challenge to overcome. To be honest it wasnt the most effective build but it solved a problem so I could continue to the end of the game

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Yes, saying that someone who heals is just a replacement for a monk is the same thing as saying someone who does damage is just a replacement for a warrior. By that rationale, we only need 2, maybe 3 classes, a damage-dealer, a healer, and maybe a ranged damage-dealer, aka ranger.

New classes offer up different unique effects and combinations to keep things from getting stale. New skills alone cannot fill this role because you still have the same tired attributes, along with the same old primaries and armor/weapon-styles. New classes simply allow for a wider range of uniqueness, which is always good, IMO.

Addone_Abaddon

Addone_Abaddon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Jersey, Channel Islands

Perfection Is Everything [PiE]

W/

As long as with every 2 new proffesions, there will be 2 new character slots, I'll be happy.

Rusty Deth

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Woodland Realm

Mo/N

They can add all they want, Wammo's will still dominate the population. lol

But in reality not everyone plays/tries every class. I still haven't devoted myself to make a solid mesmer or elementalist.

My monk has been in retirement, my warrior get little play time.

I say they can add as many classes as they want, it just gives more options for more people.

But I'll admit I love this game just for building. And the more they add the more happy I am. To me the real interest in GW is making builds, trying them, and making more.

Sure to some the PvE content is limited, but playing PvE with different classes and builds makes it feel like different game.

At least it does for me. Now bring on Beast Riders!!

Addone_Abaddon

Addone_Abaddon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Jersey, Channel Islands

Perfection Is Everything [PiE]

W/

I don't know how people can complain either, you don't need to use the proffesions, it's an option, I thank anet for the un-repetitiveness of guild wars.

ZenRgy

ZenRgy

Zookeeper

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australian Discussion Posse HQ - Glorious leader

҉ ̵̡̢̢̛̛̛̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟&#

N/E

I don't want extra professions, yes it adds to the fun - I love PvE, it's great. And I want nightfall because I am bored of the game right now - PvP is the only thing keeping me interested.

aNet will probably release more classes to cater to the PvE players *sigh*

Since they are the majority while all the PvP players will eventually get screwed over by the unlimited options and builds making any organised PvP based on luck rather than skill.

The game will keep changing and evolving and it will get to a stage that there will be too many options/builds/skils that skill will not play a part in the PvP side of this game.

I'm all for expansions, but I'm not for expansions that keep changing, morphing and "ruining" the game.

But in reality aNet is a business so they need to realease new expansions in order to make any profit, unless they were to add a month subscription.

So in my opinion, releasing new expansions and new add-ons to make profit is the lesser of two evils.

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

more classes please

I like the ANET Magic the Gathering model

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/guild-wars-.../680914p1.html
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Strain uses the card game Magic: The Gathering as a metaphor for the way ArenaNet sees the development of the Guild Wars franchise. "Magic: The Gathering keeps re-inventing itself with each new edition and players are never forced to buy older cards to stay competitive. They can always enjoy a one edition game.

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Deimos Tel Arin [CCTV]

W/

I prefer more professions.
More variety spices up the game.
Preferably new professions that introduces new game mechanics into the game.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth`
No, they'll do what they can to sell the game. If they think enough people won't buy it without a new class or a new faction/alliance system, or a new hero that follows you, then they'll waste some time implementing it.
Assumption.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth`
No, but it looks like you missed the point. I don't know how to describe it simpler. Let's say you have a six-sided die, and a 3 on this die is a monk. This is Prophecies. Now let's say you have an eight-sided die, are you just as likely to get the 3 when you roll it as you were with the six-sided die? This is Factions. It's not a perfect analogy, for one thing I doubt the professions are divided equally like this. But it's true. I don't understand how you can't see that having 360 professions would make it very unlikely to find a monk.
How unlikely? The monks on my guild/friendlist are still there. I don't think every monk in the game now would be replaced by new professions. They're still there, and you can still choose them. Since when choosing a monk for your team is based on chance? If you can't find them right away, just wait, or use hench, or find some non-monk healers instead (secondary monks or Rt, E/Mo or something).

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Originally Posted by Carth`
I don't see what your point is here. You often do need a monk in a mission. Sometimes you might need a healer monk, but it's still a monk. So what if you need a role rather than a class? Are you saying the new classes will replace the monk's roles? In that case why not just have a monk, and not add a new class. If that's what you meant, I wasn't sure...
Have you ever heard of SMITE MONK? Just saying you need a monk in every team is wrong to a large extent. What you might need is healing/protecting monks, but not always. You can survive with Rt healer, mesmer healer, necro healer, elementalist healer, as well. But you might not survive with 3 monks who smite, really.

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Originally Posted by Carth`
Saying "let the devs worry about it" isn't a solution to a problem. It'll be us it affects when there are skill imbalances or nerfs.
And how not making new classes would help with balance? If the devs don't balance the game, it won't be balanced. If they make new classes and balance them, then the game will be balanced. We can't really do anything about it. If you think complaining/assuming would fix anything, please explain how.

prism2525

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

I'd like to keep adding more professions. but wouldn't it be better if they release them one at a time? This would give the devs more time to be creative, give more skills to the new prof and older (yes, sins and rits too), add new mechanics to the game, fix bugs and give us the much-wanted, much-needed auction house

Vampiric Gaze while blinded ftw! ^^

Electric Sky

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

i have no objections to anything thats new before giving it a try