Need an Anti-Toucher Build
BaxterMondune
I know I cna take the time to do it but right now I can't since I have school then work right after school. Plus assassin skills are something fairly new to me and still havent got it down.
Yanman.be
Expose defenses, plague touch, standard twisting fangs combo should do it.
IIIPowerIII
A shock sin will take down any Touch ranger...
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by IIIPowerIII
A shock sin will take down any Touch ranger...
Rofl.... whatever. Any touch ranger worth his salt can stop a shock assassin.
Demesis
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
Rofl.... whatever. Any touch ranger worth his salt can stop a shock assassin.
Sad but true.
To the OP,
The best way is to outdo the damage he's inflicting on you.
Expose defenses to make sure your combo hits and plague touch just in case he gives you back the poison/blind/deep wound/bleeding you dealt to him.
To the OP,
The best way is to outdo the damage he's inflicting on you.
Expose defenses to make sure your combo hits and plague touch just in case he gives you back the poison/blind/deep wound/bleeding you dealt to him.
luxor9
Can't see an assasin ever beating a vampire. I'd say whatever the build, you want wild strike/blow and 2 knockdowns to stand a chance. Or a unique a/me build of some sort.
SAPhoenix
A combo sequence with at least 2 KDs FTW. Its not too difficult to do. Chances are you'll interrupt his heal spam and screw him over big time.
If you choose to go degen combo on a touchy, you better not be doing it face to face. Even if you have Plague Touch, the tables can be turned very easily in the touchy's favour. As Yan mentioned, Expose Defenses (or Rigor Mortis) to bypass stances, then AoD to target, unload combo and bugger off.
KDs generally work better than degen against a touchy. Always better to take away his advantages than to allow him to utilize them while you're trying to get your degen combo off.
Here's a combo you can do (if you plan to be mainly anti-touch):
"Self Heal", "Cover Hex (Siphon Speed would work great here)", Mark of Instability, Black Lotus Strike, Twisting Fangs, Falling Spider, Horns of the Ox
Thats 2 KDs, awesome degen and damage. Just make your retreat after Horns and let him die from degen.
If you choose to go degen combo on a touchy, you better not be doing it face to face. Even if you have Plague Touch, the tables can be turned very easily in the touchy's favour. As Yan mentioned, Expose Defenses (or Rigor Mortis) to bypass stances, then AoD to target, unload combo and bugger off.
KDs generally work better than degen against a touchy. Always better to take away his advantages than to allow him to utilize them while you're trying to get your degen combo off.
Here's a combo you can do (if you plan to be mainly anti-touch):
"Self Heal", "Cover Hex (Siphon Speed would work great here)", Mark of Instability, Black Lotus Strike, Twisting Fangs, Falling Spider, Horns of the Ox
Thats 2 KDs, awesome degen and damage. Just make your retreat after Horns and let him die from degen.
Kaasschaaf
I beat vamps with an assassin before. -.- . i can't say they where pro's, but then again, I'm not either.
simply use shadow form even before your in a near death situation. criple/blind, make your enemy defence less with whatever skill you like and keep doing high damage attacks on him. eventually he will run out of mana and you got him right where u want him.
simply use shadow form even before your in a near death situation. criple/blind, make your enemy defence less with whatever skill you like and keep doing high damage attacks on him. eventually he will run out of mana and you got him right where u want him.
Yanman.be
Kaasschaaf, Shadow Form does NOTHING against touch rangers.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Yanman.be
Kaasschaaf, Shadow Form does NOTHING against touch rangers.
Well, except giving us something to laugh at 
Expose Defences doesn't always work you know... just because it renders Whirling Defences useless doesn't mean you've rendered Throw Dirt useless.
If you do manage to get past both of these (plague touch i guess), a touch ranger can't combat Poison/Bleeding/Deep Wound... sure they can spam Plague Touch... but if you have Plague Touch also the touch ranger will always be down on conditions and die from degen.
Expose Defences doesn't always work you know... just because it renders Whirling Defences useless doesn't mean you've rendered Throw Dirt useless.
If you do manage to get past both of these (plague touch i guess), a touch ranger can't combat Poison/Bleeding/Deep Wound... sure they can spam Plague Touch... but if you have Plague Touch also the touch ranger will always be down on conditions and die from degen.
Skuld
Expose Defences/Way of the Fox - look at those
Yanman.be
plague touch
oljomo
Hi
Touchies are easy if you get hte jump on them
basically kds + either wild blow or expose defences are the killer here
If you can interrupt their throw dirt (easy if you chain two kds, theyll start thropw dirt as soon as they get up, and get knocked down before completeing it) theyre pretty much dead.
oljomo
Touchies are easy if you get hte jump on them
basically kds + either wild blow or expose defences are the killer here
If you can interrupt their throw dirt (easy if you chain two kds, theyll start thropw dirt as soon as they get up, and get knocked down before completeing it) theyre pretty much dead.
oljomo
Tozen
I personally haven't found many touchers that can out-damage me in a fair fight... I win 90% of the time by using jagged + wild + nine tails strike + mobius + death blossom.
However, a word to the wise of someone who has been playing Assassin for a LONG time: just ignore the stupid touchers. You can easily get away from them and they really are only dangerous when you waste too much time trying to kill one. Move on and take a different target
However, a word to the wise of someone who has been playing Assassin for a LONG time: just ignore the stupid touchers. You can easily get away from them and they really are only dangerous when you waste too much time trying to kill one. Move on and take a different target
Shuuda
Actually, I can kill a toucher with a shock build, simpliy use Way of the fox, then AoD in and do the combo, and end AoD and run b4 they can use plague touch, if they get close to u, just use shock and run(or finish them, if the defenive stance has ended)
Mooglepinoy22
From what I've found out from playing against most touchers, like what SApheonix said, the deadly arts skill siphon speed works very well(Also if you don't want to use AoD for an elite). In order for most touchers to heal, they have to touch you. A good combo against a toucher is using siphon speed and then a knockdown combo. (I prefer the impale-iron palm-spider-ox combo). It won't kill them but siphon speed will allow you to run, stopping their source of healing+damage, and also because it makes you faster than most other running skills (+20% for you, -20% for them = 40% 1vs1 speed boost, and most speed skills top 33%) they can't chase or get away. The only other slight hitch in this build is the use of life transfer when you run. I counter that skill with Shroud of Silence {Elite} anyways before i use iron palm. This type of build keeps them on their toes because even if they use an evade stance it's not like they can get very far away or counter when you are just out of their reach.
Exigate
....use a mesmer with Crippling Anguish, slap on some degen, make sure they don't get close and boom...dead.
Unaccurate
are you guys retarded? aod->shock->falling->twisting and then run away. If he uses whirling, cancel aod and wait for it to recharge to go at him again.
wilebill
In PvP, if you catch the touchee unawares, you can at least moderately damage him. Otherwise, best is to use Siphon Speed to hopefully get the touchee into other difficulties, which you can then make worse with some good old fashioned back stabbing.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Unaccurate
are you guys retarded? aod->shock->falling->twisting and then run away. If he uses whirling, cancel aod and wait for it to recharge to go at him again.
Are you retarded? AoD--> Shock--> Falling---> Twisting Fangs and then run away? So if i use Whirling and your entire combo misses your now standing around... completely out of range... completely out of the battle... doing absolutely nothing waiting for your skills to recharge so you can attack again... and get Throw Dirt in the face before Shock hits? So instead of killing a touch ranger you've basically made yourself utterly useless.
How about letting the Cripshotters, Crip Mesmers and various other builds that can clean the floor with touchers do there job while YOU do something useful and spike down the squishy? There are too many idiots that think all Touch Rangers are 'noob' and should be killed the moment you see them. Its no wonder they thrive so much with people who obviously have no clue how to defeat 1 going up against them and bitching when they lose.
How about letting the Cripshotters, Crip Mesmers and various other builds that can clean the floor with touchers do there job while YOU do something useful and spike down the squishy? There are too many idiots that think all Touch Rangers are 'noob' and should be killed the moment you see them. Its no wonder they thrive so much with people who obviously have no clue how to defeat 1 going up against them and bitching when they lose.
Shadowfox1125
Sounds like a job for Cripshot Rangers, Water Eles and Crip Mesmers..
Crip + Degen = Dead Touchie.
And throw Diversion in for the hell of it. =P
Crip + Degen = Dead Touchie.
And throw Diversion in for the hell of it. =P
Koco Puffz
Ok. Here is the build i used to use to kill touchies simple n easy.
Critical Defenses
Frenzy
Golden Phoenix Strike
Horns Of The Ox
Falling Spider
Wild Blow
Palm Strike
Dash
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If He blinds you, use dash and run in a circle till it wears off.. then kick his ass :P
~Koco
Critical Defenses
Frenzy
Golden Phoenix Strike
Horns Of The Ox
Falling Spider
Wild Blow
Palm Strike
Dash
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If He blinds you, use dash and run in a circle till it wears off.. then kick his ass :P
~Koco
Shuuda
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Originally Posted by Unaccurate
are you guys retarded? aod->shock->falling->twisting and then run away. If he uses whirling, cancel aod and wait for it to recharge to go at him again.
I use Way of the Fox, So I hit them even if they use the stance.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Koco Puffz
If He blinds you, use dash and run in a circle till it wears off.. then kick his ass :P
~Koco People thinking up builds to kill touchers... 5 platinum.
People not having a clue how to use them... priceless.
Congratulations, you have just completely wasted your time trying to kill a touch ranger when you could've done something useful and killed someone else... gg hf no rematch delete GW please.
A prime example of why Touch Rangers flourish where idiots are prominent.
~Koco People thinking up builds to kill touchers... 5 platinum.
People not having a clue how to use them... priceless.
Congratulations, you have just completely wasted your time trying to kill a touch ranger when you could've done something useful and killed someone else... gg hf no rematch delete GW please.
A prime example of why Touch Rangers flourish where idiots are prominent.
TABellis
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
People thinking up builds to kill touchers... 5 platinum.
People not having a clue how to use them... priceless.
Congratulations, you have just completely wasted your time trying to kill a touch ranger when you could've done something useful and killed someone else... gg hf no rematch delete GW please.
A prime example of why Touch Rangers flourish where idiots are prominent. I'd have to say he's right, I've been playing A's since they were available, just like the ranger, we are back up dmg, and unless the touchie is the last man standing, we should be going after the casters. Oh!, and Shadow form does not help against touchies, they were such an annoyance in Aspen when I would solo the Lux mine archers...(I was only soloing because Most Kurzick players are idiots and focus on one side....) I did see a good Deadly arts build that worked well agains Touchies because the assassin stayed out of range to kill it and kept crippling the touchie, and using toxic, and the skill that causes dmg everytime you move...anyway, that works on touchies, just stay away from them, they usually only carry one long range attack skill. If I can find the skill set for that build I'll post it, but I'm pretty sure I saw it here on guru
People not having a clue how to use them... priceless.
Congratulations, you have just completely wasted your time trying to kill a touch ranger when you could've done something useful and killed someone else... gg hf no rematch delete GW please.
A prime example of why Touch Rangers flourish where idiots are prominent. I'd have to say he's right, I've been playing A's since they were available, just like the ranger, we are back up dmg, and unless the touchie is the last man standing, we should be going after the casters. Oh!, and Shadow form does not help against touchies, they were such an annoyance in Aspen when I would solo the Lux mine archers...(I was only soloing because Most Kurzick players are idiots and focus on one side....) I did see a good Deadly arts build that worked well agains Touchies because the assassin stayed out of range to kill it and kept crippling the touchie, and using toxic, and the skill that causes dmg everytime you move...anyway, that works on touchies, just stay away from them, they usually only carry one long range attack skill. If I can find the skill set for that build I'll post it, but I'm pretty sure I saw it here on guru
natus
assassins promise
siphon speed
black lotus strike
horns of the ox
falling spider
twisting fangs
wild blow
frenzy for alliance battle/aspenwood, res sig otherwise.
Kill's other stuff too.
siphon speed
black lotus strike
horns of the ox
falling spider
twisting fangs
wild blow
frenzy for alliance battle/aspenwood, res sig otherwise.
Kill's other stuff too.
TABellis
this is the link to the build I was talking about before, -20 degen assassin:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3062158
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3062158
Evilsod
That build is utterly useless against anyone with sense though... it does everything you'd want against a touch ranger, cripple and mass degen and penalize them for chasing you... but what could it do against anything else? If your not stupid you stop moving with Shameful Fear and use a self-heal to keep you alive (bar Troll Unguent). Its too '1-trick pony' for me. Same with the A/Mo smite build posted earlier.
johnmedgla
Crit Eye
Impale
Death's Charge
Iron Palm
Falling Spider
Twisting Fangs
Palm Strike
Horns
Never failed to kill a toucher, or anyone else for that matter, unless they have an extremely quick monk, or are going round in one of those hellishly evil Luxon Toucher Wolf-packs... Grr!
Obviously, ths build is just for ABs (no res) and it sort of implies having a monk along, Not a huge problem for me (I run in a guild group) but you could always switch out the last two skills for whatever. I find the 150 odd damage from the last two usually always finishes them off though. Had many idiot warriors yell 'lol, some 'sin is charging me' and then shut up rather abruptly.
Oh yes - use zealous daggers, d'oh!
Impale
Death's Charge
Iron Palm
Falling Spider
Twisting Fangs
Palm Strike
Horns
Never failed to kill a toucher, or anyone else for that matter, unless they have an extremely quick monk, or are going round in one of those hellishly evil Luxon Toucher Wolf-packs... Grr!
Obviously, ths build is just for ABs (no res) and it sort of implies having a monk along, Not a huge problem for me (I run in a guild group) but you could always switch out the last two skills for whatever. I find the 150 odd damage from the last two usually always finishes them off though. Had many idiot warriors yell 'lol, some 'sin is charging me' and then shut up rather abruptly.
Oh yes - use zealous daggers, d'oh!