First post on the board. Wasn't sure where to post this.
I've been playing GW for awhile now, and this has been bugging me ever since I made it (by a hair's breath) to Droknar's Forge.
Perhaps my thoughts would be best understood if it were known that Guild Wars is the first multiplayer game I've ever played.
I'm an RPG fanatic (I own most of the Final Fantasy series, and the two latest Elder Scrolls series).
I've been deeeeeply aborbed in The Elder Scrolls III and IV (Morrowind and Oblivion), games whose trademarks are, among other things, exquisite attention to detail and allowing the player to be anything, do anything, and go anywhere. The reason Bethesda was able to do such things was because they made the games entirely single-player.
Now to the point:
This game doesn't do nearly enough for those of us who are inclined to be lone wolves.
Pre-searing, it's all lone-wolf. If you die, it's because you aren't strong enough or you used the wrong technique at the wrong time.
Post-searing, however, especially after the character ascends (I'm still pissed about that Level 20 ceiling, but that's another matter) you literally CAN'T go any further by yourself, even with the henchmen.
My character's a warrior. That's the mentality I play by. They try to pussyfoot around and give everyone healing spells and attack spells, in a sad attempt to create the illusion that each character is self-sufficient regardless of profession.
Does anyone else feel this way?
What about the individual?
Absolute Destiny
Riken Chrono
i dont really understand what your saying....are you saying this game is too hard and you cant get anywhere? if thats's the case, then something's wrong...
and what i found out, henchmen can do almost anything.
and what i found out, henchmen can do almost anything.
Absolute Destiny
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Originally Posted by Riken Chrono
i dont really understand what your saying....are you saying this game is too hard and you cant get anywhere? if thats's the case, then something's wrong...
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Any player should be able to finish the entire game with relative ease alone, regardless of profession. No one should have to rely on anyone else.
My disgust with the level limit ties in here, because in any other RPG, if enemies are giving you a hard time, you can just keep gaining experience until you're at a higher or equal level, then go back and pwn them. But when the character can only get to level 20, and there are LEVEL THIRTY-FIVE enemies, wtf?
moo moo
Um Its called GUILD Wars. This was my first online game but i knew i was going to have to join a guild or maybe even grp lol. This isnt MMO where u can mostly go alone except for Top lvl area's. You can hench everything in this game if u want it just takes longer. Take it slow cause the hench are a little zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
elLOCOmutha
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Originally Posted by moo moo
Um Its called GUILD Wars. This was my first online game but i knew i was going to have to join a guild or maybe even grp lol. This isnt MMO where u can mostly go alone except for Top lvl area's. You can hench everything in this game if u want it just takes longer. Take it slow cause the hench are a little zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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silyrinth
Well, I'm not a super player myself, having only recently started playing computer RPGs after finally turning off the Playstation.
I'm a lone wolf, so to speak, since I just haven't gotten used to playing with other people. I play a smiting pyromancer (Monk/Elementalist), and I've beaten Prophecies start to finish with her and gotten halfway through Factions, using only henchman.
I'm not a hardcore gamer, either. Sometimes it takes me several tries to beat a mission, but that's only because I have to find the right strategy for any particular mission I'm doing. While Factions is a bit harder, I have to say that if you can't play Prophecies with just henchmen you need to try one of two things:
1) Try a walkthrough that helps you with mission strategies.
2) Break down and join a group.
If neither of those works for you, then a game like Guild Wars may just not be to your taste.
I'm a lone wolf, so to speak, since I just haven't gotten used to playing with other people. I play a smiting pyromancer (Monk/Elementalist), and I've beaten Prophecies start to finish with her and gotten halfway through Factions, using only henchman.
I'm not a hardcore gamer, either. Sometimes it takes me several tries to beat a mission, but that's only because I have to find the right strategy for any particular mission I'm doing. While Factions is a bit harder, I have to say that if you can't play Prophecies with just henchmen you need to try one of two things:
1) Try a walkthrough that helps you with mission strategies.
2) Break down and join a group.
If neither of those works for you, then a game like Guild Wars may just not be to your taste.
moo moo
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Originally Posted by elLOCOmutha
Your statement about "Henching everything" is incorrect. Sometimes you absolutley need human players on your team.
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Wait you are right theres one i can think of thats a pain with hench. That one jungle mission with the stones, sry havent been to the jungle in like 7 months so i forget the name.
KingKryton
i am a lone wolf too and i hate trying to get into group to do anything. i think Absolute Destiny main gripe is that if u wanted to go from droknars to rankor you cant fight your way there solo you either have to take a group of people henchies or run there.
Gun Pierson
@ the OP:
I know where you're coming from and I want to share a few of my thoughts:
Guild Wars is a multi player game not a single player adventure or a level grind like wow. This doesn't mean you have to play with hench or people all the time.
Note on the henchies: It is possible to do each mission with henchies in prophecies, I know cause I did it. I wasn't able to do this the first months I started playing though. I haven't succeeded doing this in factions yet.
The level cap of 20: It felt weird to me too in the beginning, but now I see it's a wonderful concept. Other games must divide content over 100 levels to give an example. Here level 20 is just the beginning and 90% of the game (prophecies + factions) is for the level 20 player. We get more from expansions too this way.
I know where you're coming from and I want to share a few of my thoughts:
Guild Wars is a multi player game not a single player adventure or a level grind like wow. This doesn't mean you have to play with hench or people all the time.
Note on the henchies: It is possible to do each mission with henchies in prophecies, I know cause I did it. I wasn't able to do this the first months I started playing though. I haven't succeeded doing this in factions yet.
The level cap of 20: It felt weird to me too in the beginning, but now I see it's a wonderful concept. Other games must divide content over 100 levels to give an example. Here level 20 is just the beginning and 90% of the game (prophecies + factions) is for the level 20 player. We get more from expansions too this way.
elLOCOmutha
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
@ the OP:
I know where you're coming from and I want to share a few of my thoughts: Guild Wars is a multi player game not a single player adventure or a level grind like wow. This doesn't mean you have to play with hench or people all the time. Note on the henchies: It is possible to do each mission with henchies in prophecies, I know cause I did it. I wasn't able to do this the first months I started playing though. I haven't succeeded doing this in factions. The level cap of 20: It felt weird to me too in the beginning, but now I see it's a wonderful concept. Other games must divide content over 100 levels. Here level 20 is just the beginning and 90% of the game (prophecies + factions) is for the level 20 player. We get more from expansions too this way. |
moo moo
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Originally Posted by elLOCOmutha
BUT you cannot "Hench EVERYTHING" as the OP stated.
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elLOCOmutha
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Originally Posted by moo moo
Name something that you cannot hench? UW/FOW doesnt count...
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"EVERYTHING" cannot be henched.
you said...
"You can hench everything in this game if u want it just takes longer."
Nexium
you can do most missions/quest whith hench you usaly find players doing the same thing i take hench quite often if i dont find any ppl doing the same mission ore quest and i dont ask for help ethier you want something done you do it your self and dont bother everyone else....
Gun Pierson
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Originally Posted by elLOCOmutha
BUT you cannot "Hench EVERYTHING" as the OP stated.
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I see you wan't to have the last word on this ok..we can't do everything with henchman. What's the big deal playing in a team for a few hours. Maybe you get to learn something. Unless you want to say: ' I've beaten this game on my own', but then this is not your type of game.
elLOCOmutha
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
As a said I did everything with hench in prophecies, not in factions yet. There are exceptions yes, like uw or fow, but those are not mend to play with hench.
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Bartuc Galadwor
In my experience, you cannot Master Eternal Grove with henchmen. Though mabey I've just been doing something wrong this entire time. It's super easy with people though.
I think thats about the only thing I cannot do with henchies.
I think thats about the only thing I cannot do with henchies.
Avarre
You can solo both FoW and UW, however.
They are also not a required part of the storyline to progress through, and thus his statement can be reworded to 'you can hench all story missions and areas.'
They are also not a required part of the storyline to progress through, and thus his statement can be reworded to 'you can hench all story missions and areas.'
elLOCOmutha
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Originally Posted by Avarre
You can solo both FoW and UW, however.
They are also not a required part of the storyline to progress through, and thus his statement can be reworded to 'you can hench all story missions and areas.' |
generik
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Originally Posted by elLOCOmutha
UW and FoW are part of this game last time I looked...right? His statement is incorrect.
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That you can't is irrelevant, because they are not required.
Red Locust
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Originally Posted by Absolute Destiny
Any player should be able to finish the entire game with relative ease alone, regardless of profession. No one should have to rely on anyone else.
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GW's approach, on the other hand: See a new area full of lvl 35 enemies...get destroyed, go back and put together a better build, and outplay the AI. The more difficult the area becomes, the more important it is for you to play and select your skills well, as opposed to just having to grind more mob respawns to get to the next level.
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by elLOCOmutha
UW and FoW are part of this game last time I looked...right? His statement is incorrect.
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And to the OP, as others have said you can finish the game with just henchmen. You may not be able to get masters on all of the missions in Canthan (prove me wrong), but you can even get the bonus in all of the Tyrian missions with henchmen assistance.
lg5000
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Originally Posted by Bartuc Galadwor
In my experience, you cannot Master Eternal Grove with henchmen. Though mabey I've just been doing something wrong this entire time. It's super easy with people though.
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I know that the tyrian missions can be henched, not sure about the bonus for thunderhead, dragons layer bonus and the bonus for one of the jungle missions, pretty sure someone has managed.
Most (if not all) faction missions can be henched too, from various reports on this, not personal experience.
And if I'm skill capping, I'll make sure to take henchies. To me, in the controlled environment of a cap (where I have time) they are 100% more reliable than a team of people.
Kook~NBK~
Getting back on-topic...
To OP: There's only 1 or 2 missions that I've not been able to hench (Elona Reach & THK), but others have. You're problem may not be with henchies, it may be you're doing something wrong with your build. I would suggest looking over the "The Campfire" section of the forums for build ideas & tips, there's lots of good info there. This game isn't about leveling, it's about getting the best combination & usage of the skills available to you.
Something else you may want to look at is which henchies you're taking. As a Warrior, don't take both Warrior henchies - pick one or the other. Also, leave Dunham behind, he's the worst henchie of them all.
As for PUGs, don't be afraid to hook up with them, you'll find they can make missions go much faster (but they can also suck worse than anything, too - so be warned)
To OP: There's only 1 or 2 missions that I've not been able to hench (Elona Reach & THK), but others have. You're problem may not be with henchies, it may be you're doing something wrong with your build. I would suggest looking over the "The Campfire" section of the forums for build ideas & tips, there's lots of good info there. This game isn't about leveling, it's about getting the best combination & usage of the skills available to you.
Something else you may want to look at is which henchies you're taking. As a Warrior, don't take both Warrior henchies - pick one or the other. Also, leave Dunham behind, he's the worst henchie of them all.
As for PUGs, don't be afraid to hook up with them, you'll find they can make missions go much faster (but they can also suck worse than anything, too - so be warned)
moo moo
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Originally Posted by elLOCOmutha
That wasnt his original statement though correct? Point made...buh bye
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Next time ill dumb it down a shade
MerLock
I played a ranger but I was able to beat prophecies using only henchmen. The only one I could not do with henchmen was Aura Glade but I got through the rest with henchmen and even got most of the bonuses done with them.
As long as your patient and know how to aggro, henchmen can get you pretty far in the game.
If you want to go anywhere, do anything and explore a large world like morrowind, you should try an mmmorpg like world of warcraft or games like those. And like you said, this is a multiplayer game, so expect to group with people to do certain things. If you dislke PUG's then join a guild that suits you.
I rarely encoutered a lvl 30 boss. I think the most I've seen are lvl 24 or 28 and they are very beatable using henchmen since you usually outnumber the boss and there are a wide variety of skills to counter those bosses. Yes, it may take a 2nd or 3rd try but it's very doable.
As long as your patient and know how to aggro, henchmen can get you pretty far in the game.
If you want to go anywhere, do anything and explore a large world like morrowind, you should try an mmmorpg like world of warcraft or games like those. And like you said, this is a multiplayer game, so expect to group with people to do certain things. If you dislke PUG's then join a guild that suits you.
I rarely encoutered a lvl 30 boss. I think the most I've seen are lvl 24 or 28 and they are very beatable using henchmen since you usually outnumber the boss and there are a wide variety of skills to counter those bosses. Yes, it may take a 2nd or 3rd try but it's very doable.
Andisa Kalorn
If you don't like this type of game, you don't have to play it. It is possible to hench the game instead of play with people, but the game was designed so that real people would play with each other, and against each other. And everything is built around that. I'm glad it is, because otherwise I wouldn't have met some really nice people, and joined their guild. I still like to play on my own a lot, but in general, it's much more fun with guildies.
It sounds like your problem isn't so much that you think it's impossible to hench the game, but that you want this game to be another type of game. But there are different types precisely because different people like different things. I certainly wouldn't play this game if I actually wanted it to be more like some other game, I'd just play a game of the type I wanted to play.
Of course, Nightfall may be more to your liking. Customizable henchies sound cool. But the level cap won't change. Because that would go against what guildwars is about.
It sounds like your problem isn't so much that you think it's impossible to hench the game, but that you want this game to be another type of game. But there are different types precisely because different people like different things. I certainly wouldn't play this game if I actually wanted it to be more like some other game, I'd just play a game of the type I wanted to play.
Of course, Nightfall may be more to your liking. Customizable henchies sound cool. But the level cap won't change. Because that would go against what guildwars is about.
Numa Pompilius
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Pre-searing, it's all lone-wolf. If you die, it's because you aren't strong enough or you used the wrong technique at the wrong time.
Post-searing, however, especially after the character ascends (I'm still pissed about that Level 20 ceiling, but that's another matter) you literally CAN'T go any further by yourself, even with the henchmen. |
With any profession. It's especially easy with monk or warrior, as always in PvE, but all classes can - e.g. I've henched both campaigns, plus all bonuses in Prophecies, with Mesmer and Ranger.
No offense to the OP, but the problem isn't the games or the henches - the problem is his build or his style of play. For instance, not drawing single groups of mobs with a longbow will cause problems, as will not bringing both monks.
EDIT: Also, Dunham ISN'T the worst henchie around, not after ascension; he spams crippling anguish and empathy, and that's not bad skills at all. The fire eles are the worst henchies, as they invariably scatter the enemy, leading to both more adds and and causing the monsters to attack your monks. Never, ever, bring Cynn or Orion, even in the Shiverpeaks. They're not even good in THK.
The Silver Star
The idea is that you play through it with real people as a team, hence game title "Guild Wars", Guild meaning a group of people doing the same thing basically. However it can be done with henchies, and is some times easier with henchies as you dont have the problem with realising both your real monks are smiters :P
majoho
I understand you might be dissapointed but guess what GW isn't any of those other games, why did you expect it to be?
Yichi
everything you NEED to do in this game can be henched ie. missions/quests/etc.. explorable areas such as FOW and UW and pvp dont count as "Needed" to do.
then if you want to go solo, i suggest you go to the farming section and browse...
then if you want to go solo, i suggest you go to the farming section and browse...
Kakumei
Echoing many of the statements in this thread: if you can bring henchmen into it, you can hench it. There is no point at which you ever HAVE to have other people in your party.
Also, there's not a single enemy in GW that is level 35. Highest it goes is 31. Semantics, yes, but misinformation always bugs me.
Also, there's not a single enemy in GW that is level 35. Highest it goes is 31. Semantics, yes, but misinformation always bugs me.
Jetdoc
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This game doesn't do nearly enough for those of us who are inclined to be lone wolves.
Pre-searing, it's all lone-wolf. If you die, it's because you aren't strong enough or you used the wrong technique at the wrong time. Post-searing, however, especially after the character ascends (I'm still pissed about that Level 20 ceiling, but that's another matter) you literally CAN'T go any further by yourself, even with the henchmen. |
I am definitely one of those lone wolves, and I think that is why I get so much enjoyment out of the game while others have "run out of things to do".
Demesis
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If you don't like this type of game, you don't have to play it.
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Jeremy Untouchable
if you cant hench outside droks, YOU HAVE THE WRONG BUILD................
Dj Tano
This games main focus is pvp so i highly doubt that this game was made for lone wolves... btw, whts the point in an mmog for lone wolves?
Dawgboy
I've henched 3/4 of the missions and all of the quests with a few different chars.
There's times when humans are preferable-like dropping seeds in the jungle- but usually when you learn to control the henchmen they work fine. They don't retreat well and pulling monsters away from a big pack is sometimes a challenge, but at least they don't go running off to agro everything in sight.
To the OP- do you have all 200 of your attribute points? Do you have Drok's armor(90al) with mostly minor runes? Any Elite skills? Glad's defense comes in handy when you're getting pounded. Have you tried adjusting your attributes? Having an equal number of points in each att is a recipe for disaster.
You've probably heard horror stories about pugs and I've seen the stories come true, and as you can see in this thread there's usually one childish jerk, but I've also been in a few pick-up groups where everyone did a great job. A few groups were good except for one player, but once he's dead everything went fine. So unless you're that idiot wammo who likes rushing three mobs at once try playing with other people if you can't figure out how to hench.
There's times when humans are preferable-like dropping seeds in the jungle- but usually when you learn to control the henchmen they work fine. They don't retreat well and pulling monsters away from a big pack is sometimes a challenge, but at least they don't go running off to agro everything in sight.
To the OP- do you have all 200 of your attribute points? Do you have Drok's armor(90al) with mostly minor runes? Any Elite skills? Glad's defense comes in handy when you're getting pounded. Have you tried adjusting your attributes? Having an equal number of points in each att is a recipe for disaster.
You've probably heard horror stories about pugs and I've seen the stories come true, and as you can see in this thread there's usually one childish jerk, but I've also been in a few pick-up groups where everyone did a great job. A few groups were good except for one player, but once he's dead everything went fine. So unless you're that idiot wammo who likes rushing three mobs at once try playing with other people if you can't figure out how to hench.
Mordakai
Cheer up. Nightfall is supposed to be much more single-player minded, with the new Hero characters and such.
Overnite
I don't really understand what the hell the OP's problem is, because the single player feel of Guild Wars is what I hate the most about it. It's supposed to be a MULTIPLAYER GAME FFS !
Demesis
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I don't really understand what the hell the OP's problem is, because the single player feel of Guild Wars is what I hate the most about it. It's supposed to be a MULTIPLAYER GAME FFS !
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Good luck finding a group.
silv3rr
Ok aside from the "I can hench the entire game" bragging, I would like to address the Level 20 cap.
The level 20 cap is there because Guild Wars is what you call "competitive" PvP. The developers decided that with level 20 attributes, the game would be easier to work with. Can someone please elaborate on this?
You're just making it sound like you're mad because you suck. Sorry if I'm too straighforward but your mentality of "if I can't beat it, it's because I need to be higher level" is completely incompatible for Guild Wars. You're better off playing something like WoW (I don't have anything against WoW).
Maybe you should've done some reasearch on the game to get a feel for it before you made the purchase. They clearly stated that GW is a competitive PvP/GvG based MMO. If you did read up on the game before you bought it, then you knew what you were getting yourself into.
You can't expect GuildWars (a MMORPG) to offer the same in-depth, well written solo player linear RPGs (FF, Breat of Fire, Xenogear/saga etc.), it is a MMO afterall (I guess FFXI would be an exception but that's because Squaresoft rocks, yes I refuse to acknowledge them as SquareEnix).
By no means am I flaming you or am trying to sound hostile.
The level 20 cap is there because Guild Wars is what you call "competitive" PvP. The developers decided that with level 20 attributes, the game would be easier to work with. Can someone please elaborate on this?
You're just making it sound like you're mad because you suck. Sorry if I'm too straighforward but your mentality of "if I can't beat it, it's because I need to be higher level" is completely incompatible for Guild Wars. You're better off playing something like WoW (I don't have anything against WoW).
Maybe you should've done some reasearch on the game to get a feel for it before you made the purchase. They clearly stated that GW is a competitive PvP/GvG based MMO. If you did read up on the game before you bought it, then you knew what you were getting yourself into.
You can't expect GuildWars (a MMORPG) to offer the same in-depth, well written solo player linear RPGs (FF, Breat of Fire, Xenogear/saga etc.), it is a MMO afterall (I guess FFXI would be an exception
but that's because Squaresoft rocks, yes I refuse to acknowledge them as SquareEnix).By no means am I flaming you or am trying to sound hostile.