I thought of these two builds off the top of my head, and I want to know which one has greater damage output (or if another skill set can beat them).
Axe
16 Axe
10 Tactics
10 Strength
Cleave (e)
Swift Chop
Penetrating Chop
Drunken Blow
Dolyak Signet
Healing Signet
Watch Yourself!
Resurrection Signet
Sword
15 Sword
9 Strength
10 Tactics
7 Beast Mastery
Dragon Slash (e)
Galrath Slash
Sun and Moon Slash
Tiger's Fury
Healing Signet
Dolyak Signet
Watch Yourself!
Resurrection Signet
I realize that damage output could probably be increased significantly by dropping one of the tanking skills, but I don't want to decrease survivability.
Oh, and how exactly do you combo with Dragon Slash?
Comments and suggestions please.
EDIT:
Now that I think about it, I could probably drop Dolyak or Healing signet, but I'm not sure which one. I'd add Silverwing onto the sword warrior, and maybe penetrating blow on the axe.
Axe Vs. Sword PvE Warrior
Cherng Butter
Jetdoc
You're kind of all over the place on the comparisons, mainly because you have included an increased attack speed skill (i.e. Tiger's Fury) in the sword line, but not in the axe line.
Try doing this comparison instead:
Cleave (e)
Swift Chop
Penetrating Chop
Tiger's Fury
VERSUS
Dragon Slash (e)
Galrath Slash
Sun and Moon Slash
Tiger's Fury
The sword attacks will do more damage, but then again you're not selecting the best line of Axe attack skills. I would propose changing it to Eviscerate (e), Executioner's Strike and Swift Chop/Penetrating Chop.
In that case, Axe would outdamage the sword skills.
Try doing this comparison instead:
Cleave (e)
Swift Chop
Penetrating Chop
Tiger's Fury
VERSUS
Dragon Slash (e)
Galrath Slash
Sun and Moon Slash
Tiger's Fury
The sword attacks will do more damage, but then again you're not selecting the best line of Axe attack skills. I would propose changing it to Eviscerate (e), Executioner's Strike and Swift Chop/Penetrating Chop.
In that case, Axe would outdamage the sword skills.
DeanBB
Cleave (e) >>> Eviscerate?
Swift Chop >>> Executioners?
Add an attack speed boost? Drunken >>> Tiger Stance?
A combo is just skills that work well together, like DS feeding adrenaline for the other attack skills.
I don't care much for the ranger's Tiger Fury on a warrior at 10 cost, but I guess you're not using any other energy. Is it worth the 7 points in BM when you could use the warrior's Tiger Stance?
Swift Chop >>> Executioners?
Add an attack speed boost? Drunken >>> Tiger Stance?
A combo is just skills that work well together, like DS feeding adrenaline for the other attack skills.
I don't care much for the ranger's Tiger Fury on a warrior at 10 cost, but I guess you're not using any other energy. Is it worth the 7 points in BM when you could use the warrior's Tiger Stance?
Thomas.knbk
Use eviscerate.
-Higher DPS (might not seem so at first glance, but some calculations involving how poorly cleave acts with other adrenal skills give that evis deals more DPS)
-Deep wound=100 extra dmg, which means you can deal up to 170ish dmg even in the so called 'advanced' areas of PvE.
Also, you have 16-10 on the axe war and only 15-9 on the sword.
It's been proven that at 11 weapon mastry and above, an axe does more dmg than a sword due to critical hot percentages. This is not an opinion, it's a fact. nuff said really
-Higher DPS (might not seem so at first glance, but some calculations involving how poorly cleave acts with other adrenal skills give that evis deals more DPS)
-Deep wound=100 extra dmg, which means you can deal up to 170ish dmg even in the so called 'advanced' areas of PvE.
Also, you have 16-10 on the axe war and only 15-9 on the sword.
It's been proven that at 11 weapon mastry and above, an axe does more dmg than a sword due to critical hot percentages. This is not an opinion, it's a fact. nuff said really
Gigashadow
I would go 16 in swords if possible. I can see you are splitting points between tactics and strength, because of the need for healing signet. I usually don't bring a healing signet. It really depends on your group, whether you are using henchmen, etc.
For your sword build, consider adding Standing Slash (more damage if you are in a stance, which you almost always will be) and another adrenaline skill or two (e.g. Silvering Slash, Sever Artery, Gash).
When using Dragon Slash I use a zealous weapon to power Tiger's Fury and keep it on near 100% of the time, and then the rest of my bar is full of adrenaline skills (which stay pretty much perma-charged up). I use sever artery/gash for the deep wound, to kill things a little quicker.
For your sword build, consider adding Standing Slash (more damage if you are in a stance, which you almost always will be) and another adrenaline skill or two (e.g. Silvering Slash, Sever Artery, Gash).
When using Dragon Slash I use a zealous weapon to power Tiger's Fury and keep it on near 100% of the time, and then the rest of my bar is full of adrenaline skills (which stay pretty much perma-charged up). I use sever artery/gash for the deep wound, to kill things a little quicker.
Evilsod
I've been using an axe for absolutely ages... Axe has the higher spike potential of the 2 using the infamous combo. BUT Sword seems to have the higher sustained DPS.
The Dragon Slash/Galrath/Silverwing combo with For Great Justice is a constant +42 damage a hit every single attack for 20 seconds. Personally i use Sever/Gash instead of Silverwing. But i've found Sword is my new favourite in PvE and Dragon Slash my new favourite warrior elite.
The Dragon Slash/Galrath/Silverwing combo with For Great Justice is a constant +42 damage a hit every single attack for 20 seconds. Personally i use Sever/Gash instead of Silverwing. But i've found Sword is my new favourite in PvE and Dragon Slash my new favourite warrior elite.
warriorsmiley
My pve axe warrior build if were using Cleave would be
Cleave
Dismember
penetrating blow
executioners strike
Tigers stance
Healing Signet
Watch yourself
Rez sig
Im not a fan of cleave so i use eviscerate for my elite and sub out dismember for the copy of penetrating blow.
As a sword warrior i typical go server, gash,dragon slash, standing slash. Deep wounds are a trademark of warriors dropping the hp down by 20% and reducing healing by 20% is really helpfull to your other damage dealers.
Not saying there is anything wrong with the builds its just im not a fan of dolyak signet and im a huge fan of the deepwound.
Cleave
Dismember
penetrating blow
executioners strike
Tigers stance
Healing Signet
Watch yourself
Rez sig
Im not a fan of cleave so i use eviscerate for my elite and sub out dismember for the copy of penetrating blow.
As a sword warrior i typical go server, gash,dragon slash, standing slash. Deep wounds are a trademark of warriors dropping the hp down by 20% and reducing healing by 20% is really helpfull to your other damage dealers.
Not saying there is anything wrong with the builds its just im not a fan of dolyak signet and im a huge fan of the deepwound.
tONYY
Dragon Slash
Sun and Moon slash
Final Trust
"For Great Justice!"
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Sun and Moon slash
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Evilsod
Quote:
Originally Posted by tONYY
Dragon Slash
Sun and Moon slash
Final Trust
"For Great Justice!"
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-whatever- Erm... Final Thrust... lose all adren, completely defeats the point of Dragon Slash... gain adren. You may aswell use Quivering Blade.
Dragon Slash
Galrath Slash
Sever Artery
Gash
IAS of choice
Not Doylak Signet
Not Dolyak Signet
Res of choice
Like warriorsmiley... i see sever/gash as a trademark of Sword Warriors... without them in PvE you may aswell use a Hammer or Axe. Deep Wound is a very powerful tool.
Sun and Moon slash
Final Trust
"For Great Justice!"
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-whatever- Erm... Final Thrust... lose all adren, completely defeats the point of Dragon Slash... gain adren. You may aswell use Quivering Blade.
Dragon Slash
Galrath Slash
Sever Artery
Gash
IAS of choice
Not Doylak Signet
Not Dolyak Signet
Res of choice
Like warriorsmiley... i see sever/gash as a trademark of Sword Warriors... without them in PvE you may aswell use a Hammer or Axe. Deep Wound is a very powerful tool.
Cherng Butter
Thanks for the advice guys. Since I'm a factions warrior, I suppose I'll go Dragon Slash for now. How does this sound:
16 Sword
10 Tactics
9 Beast Mastery
4 Strength
Dragon Slash (e)
Sever Artery
Gash
Standing Slash
Bestial Fury
Watch Yourself!
?
Resurrection Signet
I'm not really sure what other defensive tactics skill I should use for the last slot, since all of you are telling me Dolyak Signet is trash. Deadly Riposte or Healing Signet come to mind.
16 Sword
10 Tactics
9 Beast Mastery
4 Strength
Dragon Slash (e)
Sever Artery
Gash
Standing Slash
Bestial Fury
Watch Yourself!
?
Resurrection Signet
I'm not really sure what other defensive tactics skill I should use for the last slot, since all of you are telling me Dolyak Signet is trash. Deadly Riposte or Healing Signet come to mind.
Yukito Kunisaki
Sever and Gash can be substituted for Silverwing Slash and Riposte [if you're not fighting enemy pve warriors, than replace Riposte with Wild Blow or some stance breaker. PvE rangers almost always have some sort of defense stance in high-level areas]
Just consider your mission, lots of flesh? Sever Gash, few fleshies? Silverwing Etc.
What makes axes better in my opinion is their unusual ability to Deep Wound non-fleshies. Spirits, ghosts, phantoms, undead, though they dont' bleed, they get deep wounded.
I truely pray that Anet NEVER nerfs the Axe deepwound by forcing non-fleshies to never suffer from it.
What's that mean? Usually, things like Sever, and subsequently, Poison and Disease, don't work and if Anet deems it so...
Some enemies in this game become immune to ALL status conditions, which in truth, would suck royal ass...
Just consider your mission, lots of flesh? Sever Gash, few fleshies? Silverwing Etc.
What makes axes better in my opinion is their unusual ability to Deep Wound non-fleshies. Spirits, ghosts, phantoms, undead, though they dont' bleed, they get deep wounded.
I truely pray that Anet NEVER nerfs the Axe deepwound by forcing non-fleshies to never suffer from it.
What's that mean? Usually, things like Sever, and subsequently, Poison and Disease, don't work and if Anet deems it so...
Some enemies in this game become immune to ALL status conditions, which in truth, would suck royal ass...
Skuld
Bestial Fury and "Watch Yourself!" don't work well together. BF disables all non-attack skills.
Sun and Moon is better than Standing in that build IMO - you can use dragon slash more, more damage altogether. Standing might look more at first sight, not so though.
Sun and Moon is better than Standing in that build IMO - you can use dragon slash more, more damage altogether. Standing might look more at first sight, not so though.
Tingi
good sword build:
15 Sword
12 Tactics (can lower tactics and raise sword to 16 if you like, but i personally IN PVE like the 10 secs of watch yourself
)
6 Strength
7 Beast mastery (gives 8 secs of TF)
Dragon Slash
Sever Artery
Gash
Sun and Moon slash
Watch Yourself
Heal Sig
Tigers Furry
Rez Sig
TBH strength is pretty crap, apart from Dolyak Sig, but you don't really need that. This build can dish out some pretty mean DPS in PvE.
Personally I prefer an axe build though.
15 Sword
12 Tactics (can lower tactics and raise sword to 16 if you like, but i personally IN PVE like the 10 secs of watch yourself
)6 Strength
7 Beast mastery (gives 8 secs of TF)
Dragon Slash
Sever Artery
Gash
Sun and Moon slash
Watch Yourself
Heal Sig
Tigers Furry
Rez Sig
TBH strength is pretty crap, apart from Dolyak Sig, but you don't really need that. This build can dish out some pretty mean DPS in PvE.
Personally I prefer an axe build though.
Cherng Butter
Thanks for the replies guys. If Bestial Fury has poor synergy with this build, what would you recommend as an IAS? Flurry is the only thing that comes to mind, and don't 24+ enemies with ridiculous armor shrug off flurry attacks?
Rera
Bestial/Tiger's Fury is no longer a viable IAS skill, because the attack speed increase has been lowered to 25%.
Against high level enemies you don't do much normal damage anyway. A warrior's damage comes primarily from the armor-ignoring +damage of attack skills, and IIRC Flurry doesn't affect this part. Without Tiger's Fury, Flurry is pretty much the only viable IAS stance for PvE warriors now, unless you're taking a skill that can improve the recharge of Tiger Stance.
I like strength because I don't use tactics, and rarely have anything else to use it on. 10% armor penetration on attack skills is definitely noticeable, especially if you're spamming skills at the rate that Dragon Slash allows.
I prefer sword to axe in most PvE situations because of the monstrous DPS that Dragon Slash creates. I think the only other skill that can compete is Enraged Smash, but I'm uncomfortable not using a shield in PvE.
Against high level enemies you don't do much normal damage anyway. A warrior's damage comes primarily from the armor-ignoring +damage of attack skills, and IIRC Flurry doesn't affect this part. Without Tiger's Fury, Flurry is pretty much the only viable IAS stance for PvE warriors now, unless you're taking a skill that can improve the recharge of Tiger Stance.
I like strength because I don't use tactics, and rarely have anything else to use it on. 10% armor penetration on attack skills is definitely noticeable, especially if you're spamming skills at the rate that Dragon Slash allows.
I prefer sword to axe in most PvE situations because of the monstrous DPS that Dragon Slash creates. I think the only other skill that can compete is Enraged Smash, but I'm uncomfortable not using a shield in PvE.
SnipiousMax
^ Dragon slash or Enraged Smash. That's about all I use in PvE anymore. Although something like Whirling Axe is cute.
Cherng Butter
Here's what my build is at the moment, I still haven't gotten out of the city to get Dragon Slash.
16 Swordsmanship
12 Tactics
7 Strength
Flurry
Quivering Blade (e)
Standing Slash
Silverwing Slash
Watch Yourself!
Healing Signet
Resurrection Signet
*?
*I'm really in a rut on my 8th skill. Should I use Swift Chop for extreme spammable DPS under flurry, or perhaps something like Shields Up! for team defense? Maybe riposte/deadly riposte (which one?) for offense and defense? Or maybe a good old defensive stance? Right now I'm using gladiator's armor (I'm not really sure why I bought it, but I'm not going to switch armor). 80AL-16AL is 96 AL vs. most stuff, 116 with Watch Yourself! on. I'm not sure if I should invest in defense or offense. When I was doing the beginning of Viznuh Square, I kept going down to 25% health-ish before the other team lets Mhenlo die >_<. I'm not sure if I'm just getting unlucky with mesmers plastering me with deep wound and hexes, or lots of soul explosions, but I'm worried I'm just not sturdy enough...
16 Swordsmanship
12 Tactics
7 Strength
Flurry
Quivering Blade (e)
Standing Slash
Silverwing Slash
Watch Yourself!
Healing Signet
Resurrection Signet
*?
*I'm really in a rut on my 8th skill. Should I use Swift Chop for extreme spammable DPS under flurry, or perhaps something like Shields Up! for team defense? Maybe riposte/deadly riposte (which one?) for offense and defense? Or maybe a good old defensive stance? Right now I'm using gladiator's armor (I'm not really sure why I bought it, but I'm not going to switch armor). 80AL-16AL is 96 AL vs. most stuff, 116 with Watch Yourself! on. I'm not sure if I should invest in defense or offense. When I was doing the beginning of Viznuh Square, I kept going down to 25% health-ish before the other team lets Mhenlo die >_<. I'm not sure if I'm just getting unlucky with mesmers plastering me with deep wound and hexes, or lots of soul explosions, but I'm worried I'm just not sturdy enough...
Rera
Sun and Moon Slash, if it's available, can be nice for the adrenalin gain and the block/evade property. However, it barely does any damage since it has no modifier.
When using Quivering, you're better served with sever artery+gash for conditions, because Quivering is a skill best spammed on its own for normal damage. Taking Standing/Silverwing is inefficient until you get Dragon Slash.
When using Quivering, you're better served with sever artery+gash for conditions, because Quivering is a skill best spammed on its own for normal damage. Taking Standing/Silverwing is inefficient until you get Dragon Slash.
Cherng Butter
I'm looking for a high DPS single skill for my W/R, and I came up with Apply Poison. 8 additional DPS is better than Swift Chop (+5 dps), which is about the most spammable attack with a reasonable modifier.
The 15 energy cost is not a problem, I have gladiator's armor and flurry, which means high energy with my zealous sword. Comments?
Thanks for the comments btw guys.
The 15 energy cost is not a problem, I have gladiator's armor and flurry, which means high energy with my zealous sword. Comments?
Thanks for the comments btw guys.
Rera
Apply Poison isn't a bad choice, but remember that you have to time-out for 2s every 24s to re-prep it, and that it's highly susceptible to interruption. Also, if you're going to take a skill like Apply Poison, consider taking some form of aoe attack - Hundred Blades if you stick with sword, or switch to axe and run Cyclone Axe and Triple Chop.
Yukito Kunisaki
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rera
Sun and Moon Slash, if it's available, can be nice for the adrenalin gain and the block/evade property. However, it barely does any damage since it has no modifier.
Amen to that +xx bonus AL dmg ftw!!! To me Sun & Moon Slash is kind of a waste as it's an adrenaline skill that pierces enemy defenses... [if they're blocking you, you probably won't have the adrenaline to use it, it's counter productive, Wild Blow or Seeking Blade can be used against such defenses more effectively] High AL can nullify all Sun & Moon Slash benefits anyway...
Standing Slash ftw...
Standing Slash ftw...
Ismoke
try this
16sword
12 tactics
rest in str.
1.galrath slash
2.dragon slash
3.final thurst
4.bull strike
5. frenzy
6. F.G.J.
7. rush
8.rez or healing sig
peace
16sword
12 tactics
rest in str.
1.galrath slash
2.dragon slash
3.final thurst
4.bull strike
5. frenzy
6. F.G.J.
7. rush
8.rez or healing sig
peace