Npc's are becoming "one trick ponies?'

Enchanted Warrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/Mo

All I see is Conjure Phantasm, and some type of evade, spammed over and over, or blind and imagined burden, etc.. It's getting kinda boring. I hope Nightfall is more diverse, otherwise it's gonna be just as boring.

Knightsaber Sith

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

When you say Npc's are you reffering primarily to the enemies or the hench?

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

A Gamespot preview said that Nightfall will feature bosses which can change profession.

That'll suffice.

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
A Gamespot preview said that Nightfall will feature bosses which can change profession.

That'll suffice.
...Great.Bosses changing proffesions...that'll be real fun running out to the middle of RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing nowhere only to find that your boss isnt the profession you wanted.

And all the Mobs need is use of all 8 slots on their skill bar.

The truth itself

The truth itself

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Denmark

First Degree

Mo/

Theus:

Your just being really pessimistic.

Murply's Law is bullshit.

lemming

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior
All I see is Conjure Phantasm, and some type of evade, spammed over and over, or blind and imagined burden, etc..
O RLY?

Sekkira

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

Quote:
Originally Posted by Theus
...Great.Bosses changing proffesions...that'll be real fun running out to the middle of RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing nowhere only to find that your boss isnt the profession you wanted.

And all the Mobs need is use of all 8 slots on their skill bar.
Ever played prophecies? I hear it was released last year.

Helll is for Heroes

Helll is for Heroes

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

True Cinema

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior
All I see is Conjure Phantasm, and some type of evade, spammed over and over, or blind and imagined burden, etc.. It's getting kinda boring.
Do you like....constantly farm gargoyles or something?

pork soldier

pork soldier

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by tehlemming
O RLY?
YA RLY

Unless the PVE AI gets better than repeating the same rote actions then nightfall will just be more of the same "let's figure out how to farm the AI"

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

Alas, the Henches are perfectly spam-happy.

Alesia - Orison
Lina - Reversal of Fortune
Jamei/Sister Tai - Blessed Light/Jamei's Gaze
Mhenlo - orison/WoH
Danika - Blessed Light
Kai Ying - ward vs melee + stone daggers
warriors - attacks
rangers - attacks (dual/power shot)
necros - blood rit (even on warriors...)
Mesmers- distortion/empathy

That's because they are usually equipped with high recharges except for one or two skills.

Irony is that players copy henches (read Barragers that use nothing else = Aurora clone).

KANE OG

KANE OG

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

Ogmios Graybeards

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Barrage was goin on WAAAYYYY before Aurora. LMAO

Kobun King

Kobun King

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Aurora uses favorable winds. And even if she didn't, I'd still take her over any mage hench using firestorm, or the archers with practiced stance as their elite.

Katari

Katari

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Upstate

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Theus
...Great.Bosses changing proffesions...that'll be real fun running out to the middle of RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing nowhere only to find that your boss isnt the profession you wanted.

And all the Mobs need is use of all 8 slots on their skill bar.
Kinda like clearing a whole zone in prophecies to find where that boss you need spawned, only to find out that he actually didn't. Nothing new.

Mobs that use a full 8 skills would definatly be interesting, I'd really like to see how that would work.

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

Quote:
Irony is that players copy henches
...guess where IWAy and VIMway came from?

Doomlord_Slayermann

Doomlord_Slayermann

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Chicago IL

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

W/P

If you want to fight intelligent enemies, go play PvP. Most PvE really isn't very build-intensive on either side of the fight.

Eviance

Eviance

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Eh I forget... o_O

Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
A Gamespot preview said that Nightfall will feature bosses which can change profession.

That'll suffice.
So will they have to warp around from town to town like the rest of us or will there be a guild hall update for them >_>?

Young Hero

Young Hero

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mi

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Katari

Mobs that use a full 8 skills would definatly be interesting, I'd really like to see how that would work.

Sounds like Grind Fest to me, not interested.

Trvth Jvstice

Trvth Jvstice

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

HALE

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Don't underestimate the henches. Try this: Go to Thunderhead keep and join the first pug you can. Play it through, I imagine you'll have about a 40% chance of finishing. Then, restart with an all hench team using all of them excluding one that matches your profession. Trust me, you'll be amazed.

Kobun King

Kobun King

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra Xin
...guess where IWAy and VIMway came from?
I don't know of any henches that use IWAY or VIM. And if you mean the opponents at Zaishen Challenge/Elite, those came afterwards.

Voltar

Voltar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

My dog let's me crash at her place.

POB

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobun King
I don't know of any henches that use IWAY or VIM. And if you mean the opponents at Zaishen Challenge/Elite, those came afterwards.
think he/she was talking about non-hench npc's. kind of a long-shot though, white mantle don't really use pets and there's no iway with the grawls (right?) that use vim. there are reasonable bulids in the pve world though like the little desert bugs that use chilblains and plague touch together. kinda weak though. it really would be interesting to have npc's that had a littl emore thought put into their builds. i'd like to see anet rip builds off from guildwiki for npc's and critters but oh well.

Zui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/

Hi, Welcome to PvE. Enjoy your stay.

-Loki-

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
Alesia - Orison
Lina - Reversal of Fortune
Mhenlo - orison/WoH
Oh my god. Healing monks spamming Orison of Healing and Word of Healing. Who would have thought such madness?

narcissistic_fool

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Random Logic [rL]

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lols i spam that too

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

At least they do something!

majoho

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior
All I see is Conjure Phantasm, and some type of evade, spammed over and over, or blind and imagined burden, etc.. It's getting kinda boring. I hope Nightfall is more diverse, otherwise it's gonna be just as boring.
You should go play something else, that's my suggestion.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that's pretty tired of all the negative/whining threads by now.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

They really need to make all skills available to all enemies in all the chapters. All they're doing is limiting there usefulness so badly.

Avicara Wise. Ineptitude, Phantom Pain, Fragility.
Mantis Dreamweaver. Crippling Anguish, Conjure Nightmare, Fragility, Accumulated Pain.

These 2 are practically the exact same. The only problem is they made Inep prophecies only and then made it so Mantis couldn't use it. If they had Ineptitude they would be ALOT more useful than with CA that serves no purpose in the build they have at all. Considering that Mantis Hunters have a crippling attack... they're really screwing up enemy builds now. Its the exact same with some of the NPCs... they might actually be more useful if they had access to all skills, its not like you can cap them...

I hope they give enemies in Nightfall access to all skills so we can actually see some interesting builds rather than sub-par versions of existing builds.

Paperfly

Paperfly

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

I'm still trying to figure out where the OP's coming from and what his post means.

...My best attempt at second-guessing him is that he's a warrior (or assassin) who is sick of encountering (a) degen that his armour can't reduce, and (b) evasive stances that keep him from doing his full damage. Warrior hate, in other words. I'm not sure what part of either game he's talking about specifically, though...

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

I want to see difficulty in pve be brought up.Preferbly to have level 20 Mobs that use two proffesions and have maxed attributes.The only monster I can remember that had two proffesions were Jungle Trolls.