Nvidia RIVA TNT2/TNT2 pro

Nvidia RIVA TNT2/TNT2 pro
Version: 6.14.0010.5673
Date: 8/3/2004


can i get an updated version of this if you can give me a link that would be greatly appreciated.

The TNT 2 line has not been produced in a very long time. I am assuming you are looking for a pci video card? If so it is time to upgrade my friend as those haven't been produced in quite a long time either. Current video cards are using a new bus called PCI-Express, which is totally imcompatible with a PCI or AGP slot/bus

I don't recommend even TRYING to run GW on this card. Old, outdated, most likely unsupported, and sub-par. You can get a Geforce 4 MX 440 (which is not top of the line, but will run GW just fine) for around $40, maybe less. You may need to upgrade your PC though, if you're still running one of those old Rivas..

Good god, are people still using TNT2's? Years ago I replaced my 16MB Voodoo3 with the 32MB TNT2 Pro and was amazed at how good Deus Ex looked at 1024x768x32.

I'm running

Windows Xp pro
Pentium III 1GHz
256 MB RAM

would I be able to run it and wheres a good place to buy it?

For a start, no you can't run Guild Wars on that card even if there was somewhere still selling them. They're ancient and aren't made anymore, hell I believe the Pharaohs actually used that card to design the Pyramids. You need at least a DirectX 8 card to run Guild Wars, the TNT2 is only DirectX 5/6!

Secondly, invest in some more RAM. Windows XP alone eats 180-230MB to run, so with 256MB you're not going to have any sort of enjoyable experience with any game.

Thirdly, read the specs on the box/website. That's normally a good starting point to see if you can run the game.

tnt is the one I already have I wanted to know If i could run Geforce 4 MX 440 because the guy said I might need to upgrade my computer to run it do I?

Windows XP pro
256 MB ram
Pentium III 1.0 GHz

well...you need to find out if yer motherboard is compatible with AGP cards at least

yep...reminds me of my 1st pc...had a tnt 64 on it....top of the line....about 6-7 years ago lol

As far as I remember TNT2 can support DX8 with some limitations. You might be able to run GW with a few tricks.

Download latest drivers from www.nvidia.com and then find some tweaks for it at www.guru3d.com (It is possible to transfer vertex shaders from GPU to CPU with some registry hacks).

yeh you guys make my card seem so bad 0.o when im able to play games like GunZ or and FlyFF perfectly I think you guys might be mistakin mine for an older version but thanks anyway guys for the help.

The problem basically all boils down to the fact that you are trying to run the game on outdated hardware. Guild Wars has the following as minimum specs:

800 MHz CPU
256 MB RAM
Radeon 8500 or GeForce 3 video card

Your system meets those requirements, other then the video card. You need to move up in that area. And before you invest to much more, consider the recommended minimum system specs:

1 GHz CPU
512 MB RAM
Radeon 9000 or GeForce 4 Video Card

Your system barely meets the CPU recommendation, and does not meet either of the other 2. I would think twice before investing in a video card, because you will probably want to upgrade the entire system. Otherwise, you will never be satisfied with the performance of the game.

There is a saying that I learned 20 years ago when I first started to work on PCs. "Never let the minimum's be your maximum". In other words, never use the minimum specs of hardware or software requirements be the guide to picking a system. The closer you are to the minimum spec, the more likely things will go wrong.

Luckily, computers that exceed the specs have gotten dirt cheap over the last few years. 1.5 GHz plus systems with AGP can normally be picked up used for around $250-350. Since you are right at the end of the Pentium III Cycle, there is really no way to make your system any faster. Even the Pentium 4 which replaced yours is now obsolete because of the newer P-5 (LGA-775) systems. The AMD equivelent (Socket A) has been replaced by first the Socket 754/939 series, and now the AM2 series.

Even with a video card that meets the minimum specs, you will still have issues with frames per second, graphics quality, and performance. I am not saying to not get a graphics card, but I am saying to consider what you really want before you invest the money. It might be better to just upgrade the entire system.

if you are still here this is a site that will test the pc you are using and give a verdict

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http://gameadvisor.futuremark.com/ga.../game_scan.jsp

Neither of those games have requirements as high as GW and are not as graphically intense either. You could say that you can play GW on that card, but if you went to a better card you'd easily wonder how you ever did.

to answer the original question.

no an updated version of that card is not made

You're going to run into potential problems with your motherboard. Old P3 boards were using a 3.3v version of the AGP BUS, which is incompatible with cards being produced today. Check out the diagram from Wiki and find how your AGP slot is set up. If it's 3.3v, you'd be hard pressed to upgrade your card.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AGP_Keys.jpg

yeh man i get what ur sayin im not gonna spend to much though so it wont be much of a loss buyin a Geforce 4 MX 440 for 15$.

Just for your information a Geforce 4 MX is still around the min specs, it's really really bad.

The Geforce 4 MX is slower than a Geforce 3.

hmm really....well what would you reccomend?

this is the one im buying btw

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEBI%3AIT&rd=1

Buy a Dell. You don't even know if you motherboard supports AGP 4X+

im using a dell...

Well it's crap but then again there's not really any point in upgrading your computer with a more expensive card so I guess it will be ok.

btw is it 4x agp? im using a Dell optiplex GX150 and I'm not sure if it has 4x agp

That is actually not a help at all.

Most Dell computers do not come with a graphics slot at all. I see an average of 20 Dell Dimensions a week, and maybe 10% have an AGP port.

And the newer ones are no better. I have seen several of the newer ones, with LGA-775 and SATA hard drives. And inside, there are PCI and PCIe 1x slots. But no AGP, and no PCIe 16x video slot.

In all of these systems, you are stuck with either the on-board video (which really sucks - most will not even play Halo), or adding a PCI video card (which sucks, speed in these is dismal).

And to be fair, HP, Compaq, Gateway, E-Machine, and all of the other major brands do the exact same thing. To them, AGP or PCIe is a "luxuary", which justifies an additional $200+ on the final price.

OK, here is the scoop on the GX150.

The GX150 was one of Dell's "Slimline Business" models. It was aimed at small businesses, where a decent computer was needed, but without taking up the space of their calssic "OptiPlex" computers.

Now the good news: This computer does have an AGP 4 video slot.

Now the bad news: You have to find a "Small Form Factor" video card.

The only one I have ever seen is the Sapphire Radeon 9250. It was a full-size card, but they came with a removeable back-plate. You could remove the regular backplate, and they included a SFF backplate. This entitled removing the VGA connector, and having to work through a DVI connector.

But the box also comes with a DVI to VGA converter, so it still works just fine. I have installed many of these in other systems that required SFF cards (Gateway was notorious for that).

Your only other choice is to use PCI. The PCI cards are in a sideways mounted bracket, so you can use any conventional PCI card without a problem. BUt if you want AGP, you have to find something that is Small Form Factor.

Hope that helps out a bit more.

Buying a Dell was a huge help for me. I knew that I wanted to potentially upgrade videocards but didn't know how to specify it, so I did the old fashioned thing and called them up and talked to the CSR's. There are tons of AGP Dells out there, you just need to look.

My first gaming computer was from the Dell refurbished section. Gave me everything I needed at a price a highschooler could afford. I see a 512MB P4 system that comes with a 256meg PCIe nVidia card for $500 (only thing it doesn't have is ethernet), not too shabby if you ask me.

aw jeez so i cant use the Geforce4 mx 440? Well its not that I want to use agp but, if theres a good pci card that can run guild wars and i can use then that would be great anyone know one?

Yes, there is a great PCI card that runs Guild Wars. The BFG Geforce 6200 OC card comes in PCI and runs GW at 1280x1024, Second to highest quality, 40 FPS on my computer. Its about $160 last I checked, but its worth it, as it supports technology such as DirectX 9, OpenGL 2.0, and Pixel Shader 3.0. So, if you want to run Guild Wars fast, that is definitely your best bet.

Cool well um i dont have money so i buy off of ebay lol >.<

http://cgi.ebay.com/BFG-GeForce-6200...QQcmdZViewItem

1st of is this the one ur talkin bout? Well Im preety sure thats it but im just worried about if it is compatiable with my cpu. Mushroom said I can use "any convetional pci card" but can i use this one?

That's the one. I wouldn't recommend it because it doesnt come with the software, but you can download that off the Nvidia website. Just make sure there is a return policy before you buy it, since I don't trust used cards. But yeah, thats the card. Also, what kind of CPU do you have? And what kind of power supply? One last thing: How many Amps are there on the 12 Volt rail of the power supply (yeah, this matters)

Added: It says that OpenGL 1.4 is supported. Its supposed to support 2.0, so check on that

How to I check on information on my Power supply?

Add: Ok I checked some stuff on top of the power supply so far what I know is 90W "110 Max"

For everyhting else I'm not sure but it says

100-120V ~ 3.5A, 200-240V ~ 2.0A
50-60Hz

not sure what that means but how do I find it?

Umm...I don't think that will work with the graphics card. You need at least a 250 Watt Power Supply to run it. No problems there if you want to spent a little more money ;-). I believe you can get a pretty good one that will work for it with a little extra juice (300-400 Watt) for about 20-30 bucks. Here is a good one:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...240&CatId=1077

Check to see if it will fit in your case though.

Think im gonna buy a new power supply but that one is a petium 4 proccessor im using p3

i've run guild wars for over a year on 2.4Ghz onboard GeForce 2MX 32mb on NForce Motherboard ... and on GeForce1 256(not the ram just the model) 32mb....

i would get around 17fps on a empty clear town and around 10fps on normal towns and 2-7fps on a busy town. Sometimes the gfx lag would suck when you pvp .... cant complain about what i use now... GeForce6600 256MB

The problem with the Dell Slimline series is that you can't upgrade the power supply. They are propriatory units, and only come from Dell. And even the new units are only 250 watts. SO you are pretty much stuck with what you have now.

And I would not bother with a PCI video card, since you can use a slimline AGP model. The extra GPU will not help you at all if the performance is tied to the slower PCI bus. You may get more capability, but the increase in lag in a rapidly moving game like GW will force you to tune settings back down to prevent lag and stutter.

Hmm, yeah. At this point either upgrade your computer or get another card. I just checked the System specs and its not even worth buying a graphics card thats that expensive.