there are so many connection between the 2, but maybe we can piece them together tofind out what is actually going on...we know there is "Elona's Reach" and there are the Elonians which help you ascend, as well as (as of the latest update) i have noticed that the large ship in the intro screen looks alot like some of the debris you find lying around the desert no? will the forgotten be a large part of nightfall in any way? will the Elonians also play a large role (the ancient ones)
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Crystal Desert / Elona Connections
Chronos the Defiler
lightblade
You see the "Alaska" looking piece penetrating into the sea on the west side of Crystal Desert? I say that's Elona. It sure looks like the map we saw in the convention, only it's bigger.
AlienFromBeyond
Also, chests in the desert are called Elonian Chests.
Mr. G
ok no offense....most of your "discoveries" were found many a moon ago, alos there is already a thread about connecting these - Ill post the link when i find it
Calahan
a picture with a joined desert and elona was posted too
bigwig
Most of this is well known. And its in some press release or something for the game that elona is located near the crystal desert.
the alaska looking peninsula is Orr i believe
the map you speak of is still just speculation calahan
the alaska looking peninsula is Orr i believe
the map you speak of is still just speculation calahan
Rathcail
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And its in some press release or something for the game that elona is located near the crystal desert.
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Crystal Desert is part of Elona.
tONYY
I hope that the connection between Elona and Tyria is a mission in the south Crystal Desert.
ShadowbaneX
yeah, I made these connections as well. Another thing I noticed were all that statues wearing the lieutenant's helms. I'm hoping that we might get 15k Knight's armour for tanks in Nightfall. I really like the 1.5k stuff and I wish there was 15k Knights around.
Chronos the Defiler
hmmm you know i comepletely fogot about this and came back accross it while going for Tyrian Exploration....but do you think that the "Ancient Weapon" that you can find near the Enchanted Camp may have some long lost connection with Elona?
Knightsaber Sith
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You see the "Alaska" looking piece penetrating into the sea on the west side of Crystal Desert? I say that's Elona. It sure looks like the map we saw in the convention, only it's bigger.
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Most people are saying that region is Orr.
Mordakai
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I hope that the connection between Elona and Tyria is a mission in the south Crystal Desert.
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Of course, that's not to say there couldn't be an alternative way in...
Knightsaber Sith
Well it's already been confirmed that you travel to Elona with the same little boat on the map (plz don't ask me to find a quote lol). Considering the "near impossible" quest you have to complete to get over to Cantha; don't expect anything too fancy to get to Elona.
Maria The Princess
im sure it is not a coincidence that the new continent was called Elona.....
00039
that chain of islands at the tip of that peninsula is what remains of Orr
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Orr
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Orr
lightblade
From the pre-release booklet...
Elona is to the south of Crystal Desert.
Turai Ossa (or Ghostly Hero; if it sound more fimiliar to you) once lead an army and faught some undead lord in Crystal Desert. Their strength is evenly matched, so Turai Ossa challenged the Undead lord to a 1v1 match and defeated him/her/it. He gained fame and fortune because of it and became the Hero of Elona. After that, he focused on studying the scrolls of the flameseeker prophacies and became obsessed over it. He thought he and his followers were the choosen ones and lead them to Crystal Desert to ascend and be granted eternal life. And as you already know, they failed and achieved eternal "unlife". He and his follower's spirits now dwalls the desert, seeking to help the choosen ones ascend.
Elona is to the south of Crystal Desert.
Turai Ossa (or Ghostly Hero; if it sound more fimiliar to you) once lead an army and faught some undead lord in Crystal Desert. Their strength is evenly matched, so Turai Ossa challenged the Undead lord to a 1v1 match and defeated him/her/it. He gained fame and fortune because of it and became the Hero of Elona. After that, he focused on studying the scrolls of the flameseeker prophacies and became obsessed over it. He thought he and his followers were the choosen ones and lead them to Crystal Desert to ascend and be granted eternal life. And as you already know, they failed and achieved eternal "unlife". He and his follower's spirits now dwalls the desert, seeking to help the choosen ones ascend.
maedrarle
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that chain of islands at the tip of that peninsula is what remains of Orr
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Orr |
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The king’s own personal advisor in the matters of the arcane took it upon himself to destroy the invaders, no matter the cost. Unrolling one of the Lost Scrolls, kept inside a warded vault deep within the catacombs below Arah, he spoke the words of a litany that spelled the end of the Kingdom of Orr forever. There are few who survived that day, now known as the Cataclysm. While the Charr were never allowed to step foot in Arah, few count what the king’s advisor did on that day as a victory. The resulting explosion felled the invading army where it stood, but so too did it sink the entire peninsula, leaving only a scattering of small islands in its place. |
Angel Netherborn
I'm actually more inclined to believe that either the official Lore is wrong, or the Prophecies map was drawn wrongly.
If Orr is to the south of Ascalon and southwest of the Crystal Desert, how in the world can they realistically be at war with both Kryta and Ascalon? Does it make sense that the Charr would march through Ascalon, and then through the Crystal Desert to hit Orr?
I would say they either made the Shiverpeaks a bit too big and failed to consider Orr, or they placed the Crystal Desert a bit too far north and accidentally cut off Orr from Ascalon.
Your theory of Orr actually being on the map for Nightfall is possible, but that would put Orr even further from Ascalon and would put communication and trade as uncommon, much less prolonged guild wars. Also, those big islands are hardly what I would call "a scattering of small islands".
Finally, since the official lore did say scattered islands (and that most of Orr's population was wiped out, and that the undead in Kryta are actually from Orr), I actually think it's more likely to be the small islands to the south of Lion's Arch. Which would put it much closer (both "locationally" and logistically) to both Kryta and Ascalon, making the guild wars more plausible.
If Orr is to the south of Ascalon and southwest of the Crystal Desert, how in the world can they realistically be at war with both Kryta and Ascalon? Does it make sense that the Charr would march through Ascalon, and then through the Crystal Desert to hit Orr?
I would say they either made the Shiverpeaks a bit too big and failed to consider Orr, or they placed the Crystal Desert a bit too far north and accidentally cut off Orr from Ascalon.
Your theory of Orr actually being on the map for Nightfall is possible, but that would put Orr even further from Ascalon and would put communication and trade as uncommon, much less prolonged guild wars. Also, those big islands are hardly what I would call "a scattering of small islands".
Finally, since the official lore did say scattered islands (and that most of Orr's population was wiped out, and that the undead in Kryta are actually from Orr), I actually think it's more likely to be the small islands to the south of Lion's Arch. Which would put it much closer (both "locationally" and logistically) to both Kryta and Ascalon, making the guild wars more plausible.
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I'm actually more inclined to believe that either the official Lore is wrong, or the Prophecies map was drawn wrongly.
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Chronos the Defiler
ok...after the release i think there is at least Some ties worthwhile, and in a certain cutscene you here the phrase "Praise Abbadon".....
Liberations
Perhaps this will be revealed in Eye of the North?
Duncan Idaho
Well I had understood that what remained of the fallen kingdom of Orr was the archipelagos west from the Crystal Desert in Tyria. Btw, on most maps these islands are refered as 'Orr kingdom', especially those you can find in the old Ascalon
Soul of the Scythe
"Liberations is using Animate Dead Thread!"
arsie
Just a thought.
Let us look at Ascalon and Kryta. They are both geographically about the same size. Ascalon had several big cities similar in size to Ascalon City: Surmia, Rin and Nolani. Kryta may not have any city the size of Lion's Arch but there are quite a few towns. Ascalon's economy seems to be built on trade and farming, while Kryta's seem mostly rural in nature.
For Orr to be a military and economic equal to the other two nations, it would need the resources and manpower to match.
(Oh yes, we're talking about the economic engines of fantasy worlds.)
I believe that Orr must be geographically nearly as large as Ascalon and Kryta. I find it improbable that Orr was not on the Tyrian map, because much of the undead Orrians are in North Kryta Province.
I believe that Orr was abutting North Kryta Province, either to the north or south of it.
And the fact that the Charr got to Orr before Kryta points to the north. The two large bodies of water to the north may be possible epicentres.
Some clues point towards the south. A possible location is the entire squarish bay south of Lion's Arch, flanked to the west by the landmass around Sanctum Cay, and to the east by Southern Shiverspeak.
Let us look at Ascalon and Kryta. They are both geographically about the same size. Ascalon had several big cities similar in size to Ascalon City: Surmia, Rin and Nolani. Kryta may not have any city the size of Lion's Arch but there are quite a few towns. Ascalon's economy seems to be built on trade and farming, while Kryta's seem mostly rural in nature.
For Orr to be a military and economic equal to the other two nations, it would need the resources and manpower to match.
(Oh yes, we're talking about the economic engines of fantasy worlds.)
I believe that Orr must be geographically nearly as large as Ascalon and Kryta. I find it improbable that Orr was not on the Tyrian map, because much of the undead Orrians are in North Kryta Province.
I believe that Orr was abutting North Kryta Province, either to the north or south of it.
And the fact that the Charr got to Orr before Kryta points to the north. The two large bodies of water to the north may be possible epicentres.
Some clues point towards the south. A possible location is the entire squarish bay south of Lion's Arch, flanked to the west by the landmass around Sanctum Cay, and to the east by Southern Shiverspeak.