I was thinking about this one, it probably would have been better for factions, because of the sort of japanese feel, I am currently trying to think of skills for it and attributes.
I have a few ideas right now, maybe if it's good enough some people can help me.
anyway...
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Weapons:
Knifes (don't ask)
kinda a cross between daggers and swords. Max dmg, 9-36
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Attributes:
erm... this is hard but I'll try...
Chi (primary): For every 5 points in the Chi attribute is +1 energy regeneration.
Knife Handling: Improves skills on using your knifes.
all I can think of.
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Armor:
Starter Armor (Squire's Armor) - AL: 10 looks like http://www.zephyr.dti.ne.jp/~runo/samurai3.jpg
Imperial Armor - http://www.midnighteye.com/features/...cinema_101.jpg
Discourager's Armor - http://www.samurai-store.com/img/top/cpp_1.jpg (one on the Left)
Empowering Armor - http://www.samurai-store.com/img/top/cpp_1.jpg (one on the right)
Max armor: 105 (-15 if chi is under 10)
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I will have more ideas after getting feedback.
New Profession - Samurai
Addone_Abaddon
actionjack
BK will help you
Addone_Abaddon
is it a good idea lol?
Renegade26
Increasing energy regeneration suggests the use of spells, so a set of skills that would use spells to deal damage, but this sounds like an assassin tbh.
Addone_Abaddon
AHA, but it's different to assassin, oh, just cause the weapon's like daggers eh, well, I haven't come up with the different attributes and spells yet, it'll be way different to assasin that way.
Giga Strike
a true samurai would be too simalar to a warrior. i cant support this.
skylyn
Rage against Tanks...and wannabe Tanks
Addone_Abaddon
whoever BK is, HELP 
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actionjack
BK is BahamutKaiser, who also have a love fo Samurai.
Since BK is not around...
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3004827
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...search=samurai
There you go.
Would like to see you develop more on you own version, but those reference might help. Also be sure not to make another warrior/Assassin clone.
Ps: whos the girl in your avatar, Skylyn?
Since BK is not around...
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3004827
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...search=samurai
There you go.
Would like to see you develop more on you own version, but those reference might help. Also be sure not to make another warrior/Assassin clone.
Ps: whos the girl in your avatar, Skylyn?
BahamutKaiser
LOL, naughty AJ, soliciting my help :P, bah really, it saves me the trouble.
Current judgement is, work on it some more, there isn't even enough here to comment on.
Current judgement is, work on it some more, there isn't even enough here to comment on.
Lynxius
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Weapons:
Knifes (don't ask) kinda a cross between daggers and swords. Max dmg, 9-36 |
But nice suggestion.
/signed
AJM
NO!!!
This is not FFXI, and it is not anime. Nor should it be! We already have an oriental-themed chapter, with two new professions (we have WAY more than enough sins who think they're Naruto or something), and we don't need this, especially since it is, as has been pointed out, redundant. It's not really much different from a warrior.
/absolutely, positively, NOT SIGNED
I see enough Japan worship on the internet already. More than enough.
This is not FFXI, and it is not anime. Nor should it be! We already have an oriental-themed chapter, with two new professions (we have WAY more than enough sins who think they're Naruto or something), and we don't need this, especially since it is, as has been pointed out, redundant. It's not really much different from a warrior.
/absolutely, positively, NOT SIGNED
I see enough Japan worship on the internet already. More than enough.
Addone_Abaddon
1. I wasn't basing him on anime.
2.I've never played any of the FF games
3. I said he is not gonna be anything like the warrior.
2.I've never played any of the FF games
3. I said he is not gonna be anything like the warrior.
AJM
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2. Your point is?
3. So far he sure seems to be. How will he be different, then?
Sorry if I seem rude, but I'm extremely passionate about this. If samurai had been a core class, let's say, I wouldn't have ever bought Guild Wars. I'd go 'oh, more Japanophile garbage' and never give it a second thought. I loathe Japan-worshippers. I think they should all go to Japan and get beaten up by the Yakuza after losing all their money on pachinko machines and having Japanese people laugh at them for being stupid Westerners. Let's see if they feel the same way after that.
This would look like an invitation to them.
I'm going to stop now before I go off on a huge, enraged rant... a bigger one, anyway.
lightblade
another samurai/ninja thread...are you people that obsessed with with these things?
-Loki-
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3. I said he is not gonna be anything like the warrior.
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Addone_Abaddon
I think I might lower the armor to 70, cause samurai armor is more or less supposed to scare the attacker in real life.
so AL70
so AL70
ValaOfTheFens
Real Samurai are a cross between a Warrior and a Ranger. While a Samurai was on horseback his primary weapon was the Bow. Once he was on the ground he would use his Katana(and perhaps a Wakisashi?). Samurai armor is somewhat lighter than a Warrior's would be so it would provide a significantly less protection than a Warrior's but he would be faster and able to deliver more blows.
Note: Japanese smiths are fiercely dedicated to creating the best swords possible. I've read that some would say 1,000 prayers over the sword or meditate under a waterfall before forging one. So I'd expect something like a hilt that either adds some sort of elemental damage plus the usual hilts of Fortitude, etc. The elemental hilts wouldn't be common and the elemental damage would have a max of a 17% chance of happening.
Note: Japanese smiths are fiercely dedicated to creating the best swords possible. I've read that some would say 1,000 prayers over the sword or meditate under a waterfall before forging one. So I'd expect something like a hilt that either adds some sort of elemental damage plus the usual hilts of Fortitude, etc. The elemental hilts wouldn't be common and the elemental damage would have a max of a 17% chance of happening.
Tommy
a samurai should have 80 AL, use 2 handed swords and 3 regen for mana, they can't use shield, so they got less armor than warrior and their armors provide +hp or + energy instead the +20 armor vs xxx bonus warriors have. their skills should be energy-base.
and they should have skills that sacrifice thier hp to reflect damage. lets say sacrifice all his hp until hp 1 and the foes taks 80% of damage what he sacrificed. BTW not all samurai use sword
there is samurai who use guns and spear
and they should have skills that sacrifice thier hp to reflect damage. lets say sacrifice all his hp until hp 1 and the foes taks 80% of damage what he sacrificed. BTW not all samurai use sword
there is samurai who use guns and spear
Soldat
/notsigned
cant see much time/effort put into this.
Also, the knife does way too much dmg for a "cross between daggers and swords". Don't u think swords are more deadly than a pocket-knife? Even if i did support this CC, it wouldn't really fit into the storyline, cuz they alrdy had a Japanese-themed campaign.
cant see much time/effort put into this.
Also, the knife does way too much dmg for a "cross between daggers and swords". Don't u think swords are more deadly than a pocket-knife? Even if i did support this CC, it wouldn't really fit into the storyline, cuz they alrdy had a Japanese-themed campaign.
prodigy ming
/NOT SIGNED
Besides the fact that I have always oppose anything ninja/samurai related to be added into Guildwars, it seems you hardly put any effort into creating this class.
Why would a samurai use a knife?? and definatly not Chi either. You only posted 2 poorly suggested attributes with no associated skills. If you are serious about getting feedback on this, post it when its finished. It seems like all you want out of this is to have people running around in samurai armor. Enough with the Japan worship and move on please.
Besides the fact that I have always oppose anything ninja/samurai related to be added into Guildwars, it seems you hardly put any effort into creating this class.
Why would a samurai use a knife?? and definatly not Chi either. You only posted 2 poorly suggested attributes with no associated skills. If you are serious about getting feedback on this, post it when its finished. It seems like all you want out of this is to have people running around in samurai armor. Enough with the Japan worship and move on please.
-Loki-
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Real Samurai are a cross between a Warrior and a Ranger. While a Samurai was on horseback his primary weapon was the Bow. Once he was on the ground he would use his Katana(and perhaps a Wakisashi?).
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icedragon981
/not signed
Just make a warrior, give him a katana and be happy.
Just make a warrior, give him a katana and be happy.
BahamutKaiser
The warrior we have compared to a Samurai is about as simular as a Boxer to a Kung Fu Practicer, obviously dissimular.
As poor as this idea is, it does not have anything to do with how good or acceptable a Samurai class can be, and beyond that, Samurai is a much better class than the vast majority of class ideas stated thus far, it is more popular, more interesting and too elaborate to be pawned off as a warrior, even if you gave him a Katana. Katana are appropriately used in 2 hands with most techniques, and have to be wielded in a particular manner, unlike many edged clubs euros use a swords, and it also has the very distinct counterpart of a sheath as well.
I suppose of we can't have another class with a sword, even if it is the most popular sword type in the world, than we can very well rule out any kind of caster, because it would be too simular to casting spells like all the other casters in the game.
And as typically stated, you do not need to have any interest in a new class for it to market to other people, a great deal of people who would like it. Many of you don't want more classes because your comfortable with what you have, and some just want to see something else, well there are likely more people who want to see Samurai than any other class, and you don't need to use it if you want to keep what you already have. Obviously many people who do like samurai would come to this game if it where added, and present company doesn't speak for the market as such players who would play if samurai were available arn't here to root for it, so stop pretending like nobody likes it and it isn't good enough just because you have a bias against what other people would enjoy.
As poor as this idea is, it does not have anything to do with how good or acceptable a Samurai class can be, and beyond that, Samurai is a much better class than the vast majority of class ideas stated thus far, it is more popular, more interesting and too elaborate to be pawned off as a warrior, even if you gave him a Katana. Katana are appropriately used in 2 hands with most techniques, and have to be wielded in a particular manner, unlike many edged clubs euros use a swords, and it also has the very distinct counterpart of a sheath as well.
I suppose of we can't have another class with a sword, even if it is the most popular sword type in the world, than we can very well rule out any kind of caster, because it would be too simular to casting spells like all the other casters in the game.
And as typically stated, you do not need to have any interest in a new class for it to market to other people, a great deal of people who would like it. Many of you don't want more classes because your comfortable with what you have, and some just want to see something else, well there are likely more people who want to see Samurai than any other class, and you don't need to use it if you want to keep what you already have. Obviously many people who do like samurai would come to this game if it where added, and present company doesn't speak for the market as such players who would play if samurai were available arn't here to root for it, so stop pretending like nobody likes it and it isn't good enough just because you have a bias against what other people would enjoy.
arcanemacabre
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The warrior we have compared to a Samurai is about as simular as a Boxer to a Kung Fu Practicer, obviously dissimular.
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That said, a boxer and a Kung Fu practitioner would be very similar in GW. They would both use no weapons, melee brute force/dexterous dodging skills, and likely no spells. They are one in the same.
Therefore, a Samurai and a Warrior would be essentially the same, as well. Both use (or can use) swords and other melee weapons, both have melee brute force/dexterous dodging skills and weapon mastery, and no spells. Too similar, at least in GW.
so... /unsigned (despite how much I love the concept of "The Samurai")
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So, in light of characters like the Assassin, the Ranger, the Dervish, and the Paragon, it's obvious they too can have a mastery of their particular weapon, but not inherently a master of weapon(s) in general. Those characters are not solely dependant on their weapons. Assassin could be the only real iffy one, as their primary depends on having a weapon, though the focus is more on criticals and combos rather then the weapon itself.
A Samurai is nothing without his weapon(s), just like the Warrior. I think that is the defining point of similarity in the class concept itself.
ValaOfTheFens
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Naginata were used on Horseback as well.
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/not signed. after carefully consideration.
Ristaron
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1. I wasn't basing him on anime.
2.I've never played any of the FF games 3. I said he is not gonna be anything like the warrior. |
Think up a different name, and this time try for one not already used by ten thousand similar new professions that are needlessly close to existing ones (mercenary, shadow warrior, etc).
BahamutKaiser
A boxer isn't even a combat class, and a Kung Fu practicer would likely use one of the many weapons available in the art of Kung Fu, much more different than you give them credit for. Likewise, Samurai is far different than warrior than just sword type, the way it is wielded, the way a katana works is much different than a broad sword or massive edged club. The Warriors Sword is more simular to the Warriors Hammer than it is to a Katana, and the way Warriors use thier sword and sheild has almost nothing to do with samurai, shields on that note are not most common with Samurai.
The ability to distinguish or more accuratly the lack of it does not make Samurai simular to Warrior, it is unique, and can be made into a unique class, as I have proven time and time over again, feel free to look up some real Samurai concepts and see the marvel of abilities that can be coined on a Samurai class.
Where there is an interest in Samurai, there is a need to fulfill it, I would call that neccessary. There is no way to change warrior enough to fill this archtype, it is far from simular, Warrior does not practice most of the abilities Samurai do, and Samurai use none of the tools Warrior use, not Axe, not Shield, not Hammer, and not even european swords, Samurai have more in common with Ranger than Warrior.
The ability to distinguish or more accuratly the lack of it does not make Samurai simular to Warrior, it is unique, and can be made into a unique class, as I have proven time and time over again, feel free to look up some real Samurai concepts and see the marvel of abilities that can be coined on a Samurai class.
Where there is an interest in Samurai, there is a need to fulfill it, I would call that neccessary. There is no way to change warrior enough to fill this archtype, it is far from simular, Warrior does not practice most of the abilities Samurai do, and Samurai use none of the tools Warrior use, not Axe, not Shield, not Hammer, and not even european swords, Samurai have more in common with Ranger than Warrior.
actionjack
Well, one can try to think of altnernative ways of adding a Samurai-ish character in.
I kinda want to see a Tengu or a Dracon (half-dragon) Samurai as oppose to it be another human proffession choice.
I think there could also be few other ways to add a Samurai-ish class (note the use of -ish) with out step too much on the toe of Warrior... and not as a new proffession..
I kinda want to see a Tengu or a Dracon (half-dragon) Samurai as oppose to it be another human proffession choice.
I think there could also be few other ways to add a Samurai-ish class (note the use of -ish) with out step too much on the toe of Warrior... and not as a new proffession..
Addone_Abaddon
nunchucks? (or however you spell them)
they're sort of japanese, chinese weapons.
they're sort of japanese, chinese weapons.