Ivory in Nightfall? or Panda/Crane Syndrome?
CyberNigma
So, is there any speculation on whether ANet will follow their trend and not allow Ivory into Nightfall? The reason I mention ivory is because the Paragon descriptions I read talk about ivory armour (assuming material and not just colour). Ivory is a real big no-no in quite a few places, including the U.S. Many groups are opposed to farming ivory due to the cruelty to the animals involved. Do you think that ArenaNet will have Ivory as a material for armour like Jade/Amber is in Factions or do you think they'll have something else and maybe change the description?
Sasuke The Betrayer
They might use plant fiber? Why not 
Theus
Ivory...I wonder if Animal Rights groups would be on this like flys on shit..
Malice Black
If they don't allow it they are bending over and getting ass ****** by the political correctness crap yet again.
Knightsaber Sith
It's possible; but then again they didn't even allow for pet pandas as they didn't want them to die. And they changed the pet cranes so their heads are blue instead of red cause they looked too much like an endangered species. At any rate there's no real point in speculating and we may as well just wait til Nightfall goes live.
Sasuke The Betrayer
lol NO NO
Blame the healers because they don't heal the pets!!!
Blame the healers because they don't heal the pets!!!
Tachyon
I say use Ivory!
After all, it's only a game and if the animal rights morons cause a stink then they can go to hell.
After all, it's only a game and if the animal rights morons cause a stink then they can go to hell.
Knightsaber Sith
Maybe we can slaughter elephants to farm for rare ivory 
Ehecatzin FlyingCrab
political correctness is going to eat us alive. Its not like the game is about going into the sabanna to hunt elephants with our shotguns , take their Ivory and let the animal to rot. Its more like a medieval fantasy game inspired in North Africa, what does my medieval tribal fantasy warrior wants to make his armor look good, white and shiny? ah yes, Ivory.
Its not like people playing the game are going to get inspired and go kill elephants.¬¬
Its not like people playing the game are going to get inspired and go kill elephants.¬¬
Neriandal Freit
We know Ehe, but, people are just ignorant like that and will not allow Fantasy to be Fantasy.
ilovecp
On the OTHER hand if Anet does allow ivory, they'll be accused of practising double standards. Or perhaps they haven't even thought about this issue because the opponent isn't the largest population in the world.
Former Ruling
Depends on what CHINA thinks about Ivory.
Who cares about little organizations and crap. They just moan.
China on the other hand, will BAN your game from their country if you cross them (Like the Panda Crane thing).
It isnt a double standard, its getting your game BANNED vs having some animal huggers send you angry letters.
Who cares about little organizations and crap. They just moan.
China on the other hand, will BAN your game from their country if you cross them (Like the Panda Crane thing).
It isnt a double standard, its getting your game BANNED vs having some animal huggers send you angry letters.
CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith
Maybe we can slaughter elephants to farm for rare ivory
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Originally Posted by ilovecp
On the OTHER hand if Anet does allow ivory, they'll be accused of practising double standards. Or perhaps they haven't even thought about this issue because the opponent isn't the largest population in the world.
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Personally, I'm with Knighsaber... Virtual Safaris would be fun, and wouldn't tempt me to fly to Africa to go bag an Elephant or Rhino. I've got Hatari to watch for that lol...
CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by Former Ruling
Depends on what CHINA thinks about Ivory.
Who cares about little organizations and crap. They just moan. China on the other hand, will BAN your game from their country if you cross them (Like the Panda Crane thing). It isnt a double standard, its getting your game BANNED vs having some animal huggers send you angry letters. |
Mercury Angel
Edit: Bah, you know what? This one's not that bad. I'll let it go until people start up the country bashing again, and handle it from there. (/Un-closure)
Neriandal Freit
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Edit: Bah, you know what? This one's not that bad. I'll let it go until people start up the country bashing again, and handle it from there. (/Un-closure)
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Be careful with the topics and ways you bring things up. We all know that some countries still allow the farming of ivory, weather you support it or not, try your best to leave all country names and organizations out of this, do only your best to debate weather we will have ivory in this game or not.
Also, keep in mind, this is a game, ivory doesn't have to come from any animals when it involves fantasy.
Former Ruling
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Ongoing with what you said Merc, is that everyone needs to keep in mind that this is Fantasy we're discussing, not Reality.
Be careful with the topics and ways you bring things up. We all know that some countries still allow the farming of ivory, weather you support it or not, try your best to leave all country names and organizations out of this, do only your best to debate weather we will have ivory in this game or not. Also, keep in mind, this is a game, ivory doesn't have to come from any animals when it involves fantasy. |
Trying to justify stuff like the panda, crane, and ivory using ingame terms would not be possible, and would be a quite silly discussion actually considering that we know why these things are left out or changed, and it has nothing to do with ANYTHING in the game itself.
Hyper Cutter
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Originally Posted by Sasuke The Betrayer
lol NO NO
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ilovecp
*shrugs* Alright fine I guess the ivory can always come from monsters resembling elephants, like the dolyaks.
Just don't get your hopes up for pet African elephants.
Just don't get your hopes up for pet African elephants.
Wrath Of Dragons
*looks at already-existing ivory bow*
so far, we seem safe on that material
so far, we seem safe on that material
Relnor
I'm so sick of all this B.S.
Pretty soon we'll be seeing "Save the e-animals!" signs...
Its just a GAME! No animals/people is being hurt. People take things way to seriously.
Pretty soon we'll be seeing "Save the e-animals!" signs...
Its just a GAME! No animals/people is being hurt. People take things way to seriously.
Malice Black
Ivory trade is mainly illegal
Killing a cow is considered a mortal sin in some parts of the world..GW contains leather..
I know that argument is a bit far fetched but it works under the same principle.
Killing a cow is considered a mortal sin in some parts of the world..GW contains leather..
I know that argument is a bit far fetched but it works under the same principle.
k3nn3tH123
I agree, honestly, it's just a game. And you choose whether or not to play. It doesn't affect real life situations of ivory farming/panda extinctions in anyway. Unless, say some kid getting hyped up about the game decides to go RL ivory farming/lvling up on pandas.. in which case he will prolly get mauled by elephants/pandas anyways.
Malice Black
Wrath has hit this on the head anyways...Ivorybows exsist in-game there is no reason why a ivory craft mat cant exsist.
natuxatu
Yea as long as you're not killing Elephants to GET the ivory.. which your not. So in the world of Guild Wars.. you could just state that ivory comes from something else. Plus couldn't they have baby elephants or young elephants that don't have the horns yet. Or simply make them without the horns if they were so concerned.
Maybe there are Helephabits or whatever that thing is in Winne the pooh.
Maybe there are Helephabits or whatever that thing is in Winne the pooh.
Venomios
Heffalumps and woozles! ftw!!! WHEEEEE!!!!!!! or Oliphants from Lord of the Rings (big multi-tusk elephant-looking things)... or... killer pianos! yeah! kill the pianos to get ivory! woot! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! the possibilities are endless! O.o
CyberNigma
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*looks at already-existing ivory bow*
so far, we seem safe on that material |
I, personally, think that there will be ivory in-game, possibly along the same lines as jade/amber. Otherwise, how could you craft armour made of ivory. Quite frankly, the desert continent is probably not one of NCSoft's target areas, either, so it probably won't stop them. I think the paragon armours are going to look great though :-) Hey, maybe they have something like Oliphants :-)
Two April Mornings
There's already every other part of the animal: fur, eyes, bones, why not have the ivory?
Ristaron
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There's already every other part of the animal: fur, eyes, bones, why not have the ivory?
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arcanemacabre
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Elephants have fur?
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I've already made what comments I'm going to make in the thread in the Dev Forums. I'm just here to say, "Panda/Crane Syndrome". Freakin awesome label! I will so use that phrase to describe PC of any kind!
I hate PC. And not the Mac's evil twin, but political correctnessnessicity.Sorry, I'm feeling a bit goofball today
Feminist Terrorist
Save the Heffalump!!!
Back on topic, I actually hadn't given the existence of ivory any thought at all. Ivory could be something that just drops randomly, from a broad range of monsters. That would keep some people from getting irked. Really, though, I don't care, as long as no heffalumps are harmed in the farming of this fake material.
Back on topic, I actually hadn't given the existence of ivory any thought at all. Ivory could be something that just drops randomly, from a broad range of monsters. That would keep some people from getting irked. Really, though, I don't care, as long as no heffalumps are harmed in the farming of this fake material.
Leddy
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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith
It's possible; but then again they didn't even allow for pet pandas as they didn't want them to die. And they changed the pet cranes so their heads are blue instead of red cause they looked too much like an endangered species. At any rate there's no real point in speculating and we may as well just wait til Nightfall goes live.
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Ivory is a material used historically to make wares. I don't think pandas have. We have leather hides; why not ivory?
AJM
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Originally Posted by Former Ruling
Depends on what CHINA thinks about Ivory.
Who cares about little organizations and crap. They just moan. China on the other hand, will BAN your game from their country if you cross them (Like the Panda Crane thing). It isnt a double standard, its getting your game BANNED vs having some animal huggers send you angry letters. |
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Originally Posted by natuxatu
Yea as long as you're not killing Elephants to GET the ivory.. which your not. So in the world of Guild Wars.. you could just state that ivory comes from something else. Plus couldn't they have baby elephants or young elephants that don't have the horns yet. Or simply make them without the horns if they were so concerned.
Maybe there are Helephabits or whatever that thing is in Winne the pooh. |
Arduin
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Maybe we can slaughter elephants to farm for rare ivory
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SirJackassIII
I don't think Ivory would be a problem. I've seen it being a trade material in a few RTS games, most recently in the Caesar 4 Demo. So I doubt Ivory in game would be considered a problem by animal rights groups.
Serafita Kayin
Well, considering I collect Ivory Bows whenever I see them, I think it's safe to say there will be ivory.
Also, the panda argument is trying to infer too far. It is legally protected in the People's Republic of China to the point that any events resulting in even the depiction of its death is punishable by prison time.
While the ivory trade is unfortunate (especially as synthetic ivory really sucks, too) it is not on the level of the panda debate. It's not illegal to show someone killing an elephant, as they do it on Discovery all the time. Besides, there have already been multi-tusked animals shown in PC Gamer, it seems they have no shortage of ivory in Elona.
I don't think there will be any legal issues preventing the portrayal of ivory, and the only people that will complain are the ones that complain about everything else.
Also, the panda argument is trying to infer too far. It is legally protected in the People's Republic of China to the point that any events resulting in even the depiction of its death is punishable by prison time.
While the ivory trade is unfortunate (especially as synthetic ivory really sucks, too) it is not on the level of the panda debate. It's not illegal to show someone killing an elephant, as they do it on Discovery all the time. Besides, there have already been multi-tusked animals shown in PC Gamer, it seems they have no shortage of ivory in Elona.
I don't think there will be any legal issues preventing the portrayal of ivory, and the only people that will complain are the ones that complain about everything else.
Spangly_boy
Hope ivory is a nono, how about a mother of pearl armor class or something to get the irredescant white look?
Clord
Warcraft III got something called "Ivory Tower" item. 
Grave
I think it all comes down to that they allow people to kill virtual people in games, hell even mutalate them, so why can't you kill virtual animals... but if they're going to get really pissy about it for whatever reason I guess just adding a spare nose or something to a panda or elephant would change it enough to save us all from a really bad headache. Or even better, kill two birds with one stone and make a Pandasaurus! It resembles the cuteness of pandas and has ivory tusks that you can farm!
KoalaMeatPie
They all seem to be forgetting somthing: its a game. I Don't see PETA Jumping up and down because you can go out and kill black bears, Cranes, Tigers in Factions / Prof.
Not having Ivery in Nightfall because of Animal Rights Would eb Compelatly Assinine. Why nottake out all pets from the game also?
Not having Ivery in Nightfall because of Animal Rights Would eb Compelatly Assinine. Why nottake out all pets from the game also?