Wth is going on? Im standing at ToA right now and watching a stream of bots, all Mo/W running into fow... it reminds me of the portal at droks...
Since when can a monk solo fow?? One of the monks I saw streaming in had a guild so I whispered her and asked what's she's soloing... then she turns her chat off...
Will this be yet another example of bots ruining the game for normal players? I'm pretty sure this is fairly new... but I have never heard of monks soloing fow, let a lone bots...
(and if you want to know how I know they are bots, it doesn't take a genius to spot one... all have no guild, random letter names like "gujiine" and all have the default monk skin... they are bots, don't argue about that)
Mo/W bots soloing fow???
Hand of Ruin
Bloodied Blade
...hypothetically it really wouldn't be hard to spirit bond or 55 FoW... not really hard to program either, since the only way anyone messes up in fow is player error. Spawns are never random enough that you can't program around them.
See, you're looking at this the wrong way- You're thinking "we've never been able to do it, so how can they?"... well, we've never been able to have one solo *100%* of FoW. We never said that we can't solo parts of it. Besides, there's like 10 million bots in Elona Reach on a saturday night (and really, not many at droks).
Oh...and are you sure you didn't get the satues confused?
See, you're looking at this the wrong way- You're thinking "we've never been able to do it, so how can they?"... well, we've never been able to have one solo *100%* of FoW. We never said that we can't solo parts of it. Besides, there's like 10 million bots in Elona Reach on a saturday night (and really, not many at droks).
Oh...and are you sure you didn't get the satues confused?
Hand of Ruin
I have like 800 spider legs in storage right now... i think I know which statue is which.
Shadow Mesmer:
Skills Used
* Channeling
* Empathy
* Illusion of Haste
* Shatter Enchantment
Skeletal Ether Breaker
Skills Used
* Chaos Storm
* Cry of Frustration
* Energy Surge
* Shatter Enchantment
* Sympathetic Visage
Doubter's Dryder
Skills Used
* Drain Enchantment
* Guilt
* Shame
* Shatter Enchantment
* Wastrel's Worry
There are some places I can think of a monk could solo, but how are they running there? They are using Mo/W, so with 0 strength sprint only lasts 8 seconds... Maybe spell breaker + sprint, but I dont know if thats really enough to get past some mobs on the way there...
Either way, bot farming at fow is something we shouldn't just accept... I want something done about this and it should be done in a way that doesn't completely screw over normal players either.
Shadow Mesmer:
Skills Used
* Channeling
* Empathy
* Illusion of Haste
* Shatter Enchantment
Skeletal Ether Breaker
Skills Used
* Chaos Storm
* Cry of Frustration
* Energy Surge
* Shatter Enchantment
* Sympathetic Visage
Doubter's Dryder
Skills Used
* Drain Enchantment
* Guilt
* Shame
* Shatter Enchantment
* Wastrel's Worry
There are some places I can think of a monk could solo, but how are they running there? They are using Mo/W, so with 0 strength sprint only lasts 8 seconds... Maybe spell breaker + sprint, but I dont know if thats really enough to get past some mobs on the way there...
Either way, bot farming at fow is something we shouldn't just accept... I want something done about this and it should be done in a way that doesn't completely screw over normal players either.
cerb
Just because you see many people doing one thing doesn't mean they are bots.
Probably none were, in fact.
Probably none were, in fact.
Mr Crapsicle
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I agree with the OP. Over the last couple of weeks I too have seen a marked number of said bots entering both UW and FoW and I have my concerns about it as well. As a matter of fact, I think it sucks.
Please tell the hive that they are on the radar. I'm off to /kneel at Melandru now.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Mr Crapsicle
I'm confused. Do you represent botters ? Who is we ? What's with the Elona reference ? Either way your programing needs an update. Elona has been throroughly ruined by "we" and has been for some time. Droks tails shortly behind it. I think you(we?) may be looking at this the wrong way, provided you are sentient. Many that enter these areas could care less about soloing any, all or part of them. They enjoy gaming with friends.
He said, quite clearly '[the OP] is thinking 'we've never been able to do it, so how can they?', where 'they' refers to bots and 'we' refers to the common players. By this he means, since average players cannot solo fow, they assume that the bots cannot.
He said, quite clearly '[the OP] is thinking 'we've never been able to do it, so how can they?', where 'they' refers to bots and 'we' refers to the common players. By this he means, since average players cannot solo fow, they assume that the bots cannot.
trugx
i have seen theese "bots" to and its a while ago i saw them start to do it.
i agree with hand of ruin.
i have also tried to whisper them and they do not say anything, but still this discussion isnt about whether it can be done or not. its abouot if its done with bots and problem is that IT IS DONE WITH BOTS.
i agree with hand of ruin.
i have also tried to whisper them and they do not say anything, but still this discussion isnt about whether it can be done or not. its abouot if its done with bots and problem is that IT IS DONE WITH BOTS.
TheMadKingGeorge
they are not bots they are chinese sweat shop workers
TheMadKingGeorge
they do not speak back because they do not speak english, they have a translator in the computer room in which they farm but he is only there to translate when someone is buying gold from them
Tommy
these people aren't bots, i know the manager in the gaming sweatshop, he told me that his *office* has over 7000 *operators* farming in GW.they have a program to control multiple characters at the sametime. He said that one operator usucally can control 3 M/Wo, one in droknar, one in UW and one in Elona. These operators are *require* to give him 170k per day. otherwise they dont get paid.BTW, these operators are usually people from the farms, they can barely speak any of their own language(yes, their own which is chinese), they have some higher class operators there who are college students and they do the reply parts. but in fact, none of them are really bots. 7000x3 are alot of people farming... and there is just his office, he told me that they have multiple offices in the city. so. probably a few millions chinese farmers farming day and night for in-game golds. It is a fast-growing businese in China ATM. and it is really popular, in some mmorph, half the population is chinese farmers.
ilovecp
That's disgusting.
Tommy
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Originally Posted by ilovecp
That's disgusting.
nothing disgusting
dont blame the farmers, blame the buyers the farmers actually help lower the price for items by increase the supply, hp30 axe or bow grip are used to be 50 or 60k, now we can get it for less than 25k that is the benefit of*Made In China* 
Chinese gamers also like to farm, it is like a culture thing that makes chinese like to get involved into farming, i know a couple of real chinese players who do nothing but farming day and night, they told me that they only like to farm and they farm in all mmorph.The reason they playing is to farm, weird but very interesting. Korean,Singaporean and other souther asian like to pvp, most native chinese players i met in all mmorph(who is not a farmer for in game gold) only do farming. They like to collect expensive items and harvest large amount of golds,and they dont join any guild, they dont talk to anyone, they just farm and farm until they are too tired and quit. I think that is why most people think that they are botters, but in fact they just like to farm without talking to anyone, they like the feeling i guess.They also told me that there is no reason to kill each others for nothing.Western Gamers farm gold to buy gears for pvp, Chinese gamers farm gold to buy gear for farming,kinda offtopic but it is an interesting topic, maybe we can do more research on it but the thing is that, none of these chinese Mo/W are bots, they are real players who can't speak, and they are not intelligent enough to do anything other than farming the way their managers trained them. well, they got paid only 4 cents a hour what do you expect anyway.
dont blame the farmers, blame the buyers the farmers actually help lower the price for items by increase the supply, hp30 axe or bow grip are used to be 50 or 60k, now we can get it for less than 25k that is the benefit of*Made In China* Chinese gamers also like to farm, it is like a culture thing that makes chinese like to get involved into farming, i know a couple of real chinese players who do nothing but farming day and night, they told me that they only like to farm and they farm in all mmorph.The reason they playing is to farm, weird but very interesting. Korean,Singaporean and other souther asian like to pvp, most native chinese players i met in all mmorph(who is not a farmer for in game gold) only do farming. They like to collect expensive items and harvest large amount of golds,and they dont join any guild, they dont talk to anyone, they just farm and farm until they are too tired and quit. I think that is why most people think that they are botters, but in fact they just like to farm without talking to anyone, they like the feeling i guess.They also told me that there is no reason to kill each others for nothing.Western Gamers farm gold to buy gears for pvp, Chinese gamers farm gold to buy gear for farming,kinda offtopic but it is an interesting topic, maybe we can do more research on it but the thing is that, none of these chinese Mo/W are bots, they are real players who can't speak, and they are not intelligent enough to do anything other than farming the way their managers trained them. well, they got paid only 4 cents a hour what do you expect anyway.
Kcp
Those Mo/w's arent bots. I've invited a few of them when I was soloing fissure with my necro because I also noticed them going in by themselves. Everytime I managed to get one to party and go inside the fow they never lived past the first group of 10 shadows I rounded up. They would die, watch me slay the first group of 10, I smile, they leave.
I really thought they were chest running or something. Everytime they used Shield of judgement so they arent chest running.
All that enchant removal down there isnt a problem as a 55 hp, it's just not effecient at all to solo FoW with a monk primary imo. All the other classes do it so much better down there. If they were bots they would be using other primaries for soloing fissure to maximize profit.
I really thought they were chest running or something. Everytime they used Shield of judgement so they arent chest running.
All that enchant removal down there isnt a problem as a 55 hp, it's just not effecient at all to solo FoW with a monk primary imo. All the other classes do it so much better down there. If they were bots they would be using other primaries for soloing fissure to maximize profit.
Tommy
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Originally Posted by trugx
i have seen theese "bots" to and its a while ago i saw them start to do it.
i agree with hand of ruin.
i have also tried to whisper them and they do not say anything, but still this discussion isnt about whether it can be done or not. its abouot if its done with bots and problem is that IT IS DONE WITH BOTS. 1)why they are not reply is that they dont know what you are saying,try to ask your chinese friend to whisper them in chinese and they will reply.
2)again, these ppl are not BOTS, they are *operators* who are controlling probably 3+ characters farming at the sametime, they got work at their hands and no time for little chatting!
3)BTW,chinese gamers dont talk when they are playing. If you got any chinese in your country and you observe the way they work. you will find out that they dont talk. The chinese people in my town dont talk much either, i work with one chinese and he barely speak a single word in the whole day. they dont talk dont make them a botter! i have a canadian chinese guidie in my old guild who never say a single word in guild chat or ts for 8 months(he is on everyday)
i agree with hand of ruin.
i have also tried to whisper them and they do not say anything, but still this discussion isnt about whether it can be done or not. its abouot if its done with bots and problem is that IT IS DONE WITH BOTS. 1)why they are not reply is that they dont know what you are saying,try to ask your chinese friend to whisper them in chinese and they will reply.
2)again, these ppl are not BOTS, they are *operators* who are controlling probably 3+ characters farming at the sametime, they got work at their hands and no time for little chatting
!3)BTW,chinese gamers dont talk when they are playing. If you got any chinese in your country and you observe the way they work. you will find out that they dont talk. The chinese people in my town dont talk much either, i work with one chinese and he barely speak a single word in the whole day. they dont talk dont make them a botter
! i have a canadian chinese guidie in my old guild who never say a single word in guild chat or ts for 8 months(he is on everyday)
Ima Hob0
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Originally Posted by Tommy
these people aren't bots, i know the manager in the gaming sweatshop, he told me that his *office* has over 7000 *operators* farming in GW.they have a program to control multiple characters at the sametime. He said that one operator usucally can control 3 M/Wo, one in droknar, one in UW and one in Elona. These operators are *require* to give him 170k per day. otherwise they dont get paid.BTW, these operators are usually people from the farms, they can barely speak any of their own language(yes, their own which is chinese), they have some higher class operators there who are college students and they do the reply parts. but in fact, none of them are really bots. 7000x3 are alot of people farming... and there is just his office, he told me that they have multiple offices in the city. so. probably a few millions chinese farmers farming day and night for in-game golds. It is a fast-growing businese in China ATM. and it is really popular, in some mmorph, half the population is chinese farmers.
that would explain something to me. everytime i see someone at forge saying "selling gold avicara armors 3k each/7 for 20k-good for you", i ask how they got so much gold armor. They are always a Mo/W, and either do not respond, or say something like, "you buy armor ?" or "good buy for you armor".
Amity and Truth
Three key "words"
Smiting
605
Skeletal Army
Smiting
605
Skeletal Army
Hand of Ruin
Actually, what build they are using is not important... its the fact that bots/operators/whatever you want to call them are using fow for their new source of gold...
Fow is like the one scantuary farmers have left. Were we can farm and be satisfied with our run... We can actually be sure to make a nice buck there with a little effort.
Troll farming was once great, chinesefarmers caught on - NERFED. Look at griffons, minotars, hydras... anytime a good spot is found that can be mass farmed it gets nerfed to shit.
So yea, act like you dont care now, but just hope anet doesn't take the easy fix and just switch the drop rates to pure shit...
Fow is like the one scantuary farmers have left. Were we can farm and be satisfied with our run... We can actually be sure to make a nice buck there with a little effort.
Troll farming was once great, chinesefarmers caught on - NERFED. Look at griffons, minotars, hydras... anytime a good spot is found that can be mass farmed it gets nerfed to shit.
So yea, act like you dont care now, but just hope anet doesn't take the easy fix and just switch the drop rates to pure shit...
Amity and Truth
*shrugs* Doubt it all you want. It's actually where i'm farming my money and it doesn't require rocket science either. It's not hard to run through. A 605 is nowhere nearly as fragile as many think. Stripped enchantment? lol just fricking recast it.
Stank Tank
If they have the words angel, love or nice in their names they are "operators"--the commander of the operators says Americans like those kinda names, feel safe buying from them, etc. We even buy fiery hilts for 6k.
Bloodied Blade
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Originally Posted by Mr Crapsicle
I'm confused. Do you represent botters ? Who is we ? What's with the Elona reference ? Either way your programing needs an update. Elona has been throroughly ruined by "we" and has been for some time. Droks tails shortly behind it. I think you(we?) may be looking at this the wrong way, provided you are sentient. Many that enter these areas could care less about soloing any, all or part of them. They enjoy gaming with friends.
I agree with the OP. Over the last couple of weeks I too have seen a marked number of said bots entering both UW and FoW and I have my concerns about it as well. As a matter of fact, I think it sucks.
Please tell the hive that they are on the radar. I'm off to /kneel at Melandru now. Avarre is correct, I'm not representing bots. I just worded my first post very badly. Personally, I don't care much about soloing FoW either. I just do it when I really need shards or a friend wants some help learning how. As for my reference to Elona Reach, it was meant as an example of locations with numbers of these so-called "bots" (which according to above posters are thousands of chinese in a small room).
I agree with the OP. Over the last couple of weeks I too have seen a marked number of said bots entering both UW and FoW and I have my concerns about it as well. As a matter of fact, I think it sucks.
Please tell the hive that they are on the radar. I'm off to /kneel at Melandru now. Avarre is correct, I'm not representing bots. I just worded my first post very badly. Personally, I don't care much about soloing FoW either. I just do it when I really need shards or a friend wants some help learning how. As for my reference to Elona Reach, it was meant as an example of locations with numbers of these so-called "bots" (which according to above posters are thousands of chinese in a small room).
TheMadKingGeorge
you can probally 605 TOPK
english storm
jesus 170k a day???? i have never had 170k in all my guild war life lol I got to make me a monk/warrior and get down there am fed up being broke all the time....
Annoy Mous
No offense man, but they are prbly putting in 12+ hours over 3 characters to make that 170k, w/out doing anything except for farming...not my idea of a good time.
FeroxC
I doubt they are bots, the program would be way too difficult to write it would have to hook all the game events e.g. spawn coordinates monster states etc to perform the complex actions required to kill the FoW monsters.
Bots in places like droks are possible because the route to the trolls is always the same and the resistance on the way to the troll cave is pretty low.
Killing the trolls is also incredibly easy, Cast Live vicariously, cyclone, bonnetis, cyclone till they are all dead.
You could do the troll killing part with a simple keyboard macro.
Without detailed knowledge of the internal game mechanics a bot for FoW wont be written.
If however a bot is written the economy will be destroyed the profits from a FoW bot will be 1000% more than farming trolls with anti farming code on.
I expect that they are actually chinese farmers.
Bots in places like droks are possible because the route to the trolls is always the same and the resistance on the way to the troll cave is pretty low.
Killing the trolls is also incredibly easy, Cast Live vicariously, cyclone, bonnetis, cyclone till they are all dead.
You could do the troll killing part with a simple keyboard macro.
Without detailed knowledge of the internal game mechanics a bot for FoW wont be written.
If however a bot is written the economy will be destroyed the profits from a FoW bot will be 1000% more than farming trolls with anti farming code on.
I expect that they are actually chinese farmers.
AuraofMana
Thanks guys for making other Chinese people have a warm feeling inside. Seriously, the all Chinese people do is farm, sucks at English, and doesn't do anything else is so stereotypical. It's like my going around telling people how American people are lazy and fat or all Germans are automatically Nazis. Look around your school and check who has the best grades over all and who got the top scores on SAT. I am Chinese and I farm quite a bit, but I don't enjoy it because it is freaking boring. I farm to buy better armors and equipments to PVE and PVP. I have a lot of friends and I can honestly tell you, half of the Asians I know don't even touch video games. Heck, several of my Korean friends die on Starcraft with cheats on.
And you shouldn't even go around making fun of farmers. Heck, they are trading you electronic money for real money. I wonder who's the bigger nerd and loser here.
And you shouldn't even go around making fun of farmers. Heck, they are trading you electronic money for real money. I wonder who's the bigger nerd and loser here.
vlein
i had a mo/w partner once, and all she did after pulling 1 group of aataxes was stand there and recast all her buffs... she wouldnt move.. i think she was a bot
bobert_monduvia
They are most likely running chests. This would probably be much easier to make a program for, and much quicker.
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Originally Posted by TheMadKingGeorge
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you can probally 605 TOPK
Spirit bond requires monk as either primary or secondary and the stance "Fingers" of Chaos" removes enchantments from monks (primaries and secondaries alike) so all your enchants would get reomoved.
Mr Crapsicle
I was pretty sure what you meant there Bloodied, but read literally one might think you were saying that you/your bots have not been able to solo all of FoW but they can solo parts of it when you say we. Reference his use of quotation marks Avarre for what is or isn't being attributed to the speaker and the OP. Regardless, I was mostly having fun with the idea of it. I got the sense of what you were saying but I'm pretty certain that the Elona series of bots has been banned. More likely, those owners have purchased new accounts and are botting elsewhere. Altruum ruins among others comes to mind. I just hate to think that FoW could be one of those places.
I would never throw the bot card down without observing behaviors first. I guess there is a site or two that might have code posted, who knows. I do know that it looks like typical bot behavior but to be fair, I need to watch more closely. Other than the potential reduction in drops from the increase in farming whatever it is the supposed bots are farming, we'll all know when we see them stacking from running the same pathing... or maybe they will enter a zone and say "hello" and "I love you" before jumping and entering a zone.
I would never throw the bot card down without observing behaviors first. I guess there is a site or two that might have code posted, who knows. I do know that it looks like typical bot behavior but to be fair, I need to watch more closely. Other than the potential reduction in drops from the increase in farming whatever it is the supposed bots are farming, we'll all know when we see them stacking from running the same pathing... or maybe they will enter a zone and say "hello" and "I love you" before jumping and entering a zone.
chronozon
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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth
Smiting
605
Skeletal Army
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Originally Posted by Tommy
they are real players who can't speak, and they are not intelligent enough to do anything other than farming the way their managers trained them.
I resent that, since they get paid for doing that and they are told to do it, it has nothing to do with their intelligence, you have no rights to call them being less intelligent. Rather or not the fact they get paid squat for this is irrelavent, but if there are so many people willingly working for "offices" like that then it means either they are making more money than what they could've be making otherwise or it's just an easier job for them, a job that one can do sitting in a air conditioned room.
cerb
lol tommy that's the funniest troll ive read in a while
chinese ppl have kids which they bred for their skills in GW Tommy
omg, almost all the chinese people i met in school are gaming nerds.. yeah, they do have top score, but they spend way more time than american to archieve them... btw, i like chinese people,they dont bother nobody, i just hope that people dont ruin their living. there is really no reason to hate chinese farmers, they all sell items at low price<look at the auction house in wow and chinese sellers in LA> they sell itmes under market price, we got good deal from them all the time. the cons from us already led to the nerfs of griffon and trolls, lets complain no more
! 170k isn't that hard to farm with 3 chars, you can get alteast 10 ecto if you farm 10 hours, and 40k from trolls, mino probably more. they farm gold, sell it to people who really doesn't have time to farm in game, it hurts nobody... you dont have to buy the fancy gold itmes in GW, you can get collector's itsm and green times, just as good as millions+ gold itmes. it bothers nobody.anyway, keep up the good work our fellow chinese farmer! we might get 1 million gw gold for 99 cents!
Mr Crapsicle
Tommy, you are dialed in my friend. Really dialed in.
Amity and Truth
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Originally Posted by chronozon
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While it is true that the 605 Build is sometimes more effective on lower Health levels, that doesn't change the fact that it is commonly known as the 605 Build, even if it uses less hp.
chronozon
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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth
While it is true that the 605 Build is sometimes more effective on lower Health levels, that doesn't change the fact that it is commonly known as the 605 Build, even if it uses less hp.
I know what you are saying, just pointing out the common misconception. And it's not that the "605" build is more effective on the lower health levels, I just think it's more forgiving than the "55" build, more life = more chance of surviving, the "605" build can have one of its spells interrupted, take a couple of hits until the spell recharges and recast on itself, where the "55" would've been dead meat if it got its Protective Spirit interrupted.
osk
IMO higher HP is just to facilitate Holy Wrath & Retribution for higher dmg (if there's a smite monk behind)
Other than that, whatever Hp u have, Sb+Ps will keep u alive. lundis
lol i never imagined that it was chinese guys farming 24/7 lol...
but how are they farming with 3 characters at the same time?????? lundis
lol i never imagined that it was chinese guys farming 24/7 lol...
but how are they farming with 3 characters at the same time?????? SirShadowrunner
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Originally Posted by Tommy
*office* has over 7000 *operators* farming in GW.These operators are *require* to give him 170k per day.
Let's see now, 7000 x 170,000 = 1,190,000,000
That's over a billion gold every day, *cough*, just where is all this gold going to ?? I have never bought gold and don't know anybody who has, it is against the rules and ppl have had there accounts closed for it from what I have read on these forums, this just seems like a huge pile of gold. -SirShadowrunner Insuscient Ranger
I can easly get 170k a day from Soloing FoW If i wanted to with a ranger (kinda slow) or a 55 necro. Each run i get a few shards-rare drops- keys + more
So i can see this happening Ajantis
shards are worth 3-4k, rare drops don't always reach 100+ and you don't find them each time you go on a fow farm trip.. keys, meh :/
It's possible to get 170k a day farming fow, IF you get lucky with a rare drop.. Unless you have a build that can get 50 shards a day, please share.. As for the bots soloing it.. you can kill over half of the shadow army and skeleton army using a 55 monk. The run is very tough with all the mesmer mobs though, don't think you can program a bot to pull it off.. |