Nothing major in Nightfalls for PvPers apart from skills, couple of new maps *yawn* and heroes vs heroes -.- kinda npc vs npc, not pvp.
I hope they have something major up the sleeves for pvp too...
PVP -> Nothing New in Nightfalls
Phrozenflame
yazaga
Yeah seems like that. Unfortunately they cant really afford to split the players among several different playmodes. It would be nice if they change some of the HA maps to shake it a bit though. HA is way too stagnant, me thinks.
Knightsaber Sith
There's supposed to be two new arenas one is the sunspear... thingy. Besides; Factions was pvp focused and Nightfall is pve focused so don't whine
Horseman Of War
hmmm divide the customers... that doesnt really make a lot of sense to me... lets see... noob island, random arena, hoh, topk/sorrows/elite mish, tyria vs cantha, alliance battles, gvg... Id say they have enough options for everyone. Plus, I wouldnt go saying that they cant "afford" to ANet is obviously very successful at this time. It only takes two people to have a 1v1 battle... I dont think itll affect whatever it is that you do.
beyond that, everyone complained so much about factions that they designed Nightfall to be focused on PvE, down to the way they are advertising it. the fact that they are giving us a 1v1 Hero Arena only makes sense, considering the Heros are the biggest new feature the game has.
So tell me again what your big issue with this is, I dont see any reason why this is going to have a negative impact on the game.
I dont even have to talk about the new core skills... and remember, there are definately new skills for your Factions characters too. That by itself means that PvP will change- with or without you....?
Do you guys even pvp? If you answered no, consider this: you dont have to rely on teammates to do it now. You tuff enuff?
beyond that, everyone complained so much about factions that they designed Nightfall to be focused on PvE, down to the way they are advertising it. the fact that they are giving us a 1v1 Hero Arena only makes sense, considering the Heros are the biggest new feature the game has.
So tell me again what your big issue with this is, I dont see any reason why this is going to have a negative impact on the game.
I dont even have to talk about the new core skills... and remember, there are definately new skills for your Factions characters too. That by itself means that PvP will change- with or without you....?
Do you guys even pvp? If you answered no, consider this: you dont have to rely on teammates to do it now. You tuff enuff?
UndeadRoadkill
I think this Hero Battle thing might actually get me a bit interested in PvP.
Horible
I hardly think that the will have NOTHING. Remeber the double fame weekend? 6v6? Maybe they will incorporate something like that.
Horible
Horible
supaet
hero vs hero = 1v1 pvp, that alone is interesting enough!!!
Knightsaber Sith
hero vs hero isn't 1v1; it's your 3 custom henchmen against the other guys custom henchmen
Solar Light
More like Elite henchmen bashing, 1v1 is more like hall scrimming warriors trying to see whos gimped build with ripostes are better
Feminist Terrorist
There is no "s" in Nightfall.
llsektorll
if you truely pvp... you'd know that all that matters is the new skills will bring months of gameplay into already existant game modes... especially gvg and ha
NinjaKai
I can't tell if the OP is being serious or just attempting to troll.
Horseman Of War
my vote is that its just flame bait. Id expect more from a person with such a high post count...
Phrozenflame
All I'm saying is there should be some more serious mode of gameplay okay, What you have told me about "new skills and maps" has already been mentioned in my first post, read carefully next time. If you have nothing meaningfull to contribute, be it criticism, then dont start flaming because I am not. Ninjakai, with your post, seems like you are trolling.
So now we have more like customisable henchmen vs henchmen and a single human, more like a TA Henchway, GG.
I've been doing alot of PvP for most of the year I've been playing GW.
Whoever was questioning that...Yes the new skills will cause metagame to change, but its the same mode of play, same old HA maps, just a couple more GvG halls.
I expected more from just a TA henchway and ~4 New maps seriously...As for new skills, they're part of the package with new professions...dont even count the maps...unless they even have some new sort of objective apart from deathmatch, relic cap, flag cap, altar cap.
Knightsaber sith, 2 new arenas...like DUH...Factions didnt have great PvE I agree and Nightfall seems to have better PvE, Thats Cool with me and everyone, its not like I'm stealing a lollypop from PvErs, I myself love to PvE, until it gets same-old.... but that should not be the reason for not offering anything dramatic to PvP part of the game, Factions PvE kinda lacked its taste, that was a mistake but that should not be an excuse to not deliver some great new PvP material for Nightfall. So are we gonna have a cycle? PvP-PvE-PvP-PvE ...Anet should balance the releases too
Sektor, they can bring new modes of play just into GvG and HA, not everything should have same kind of goals like killing GL and capping towers or capping Altars, running relics, there are always little new things that can be added...dont tell me the two new leeroy jenkins they added to GH...they seem like a good addition when you're fighting them lol.
A 6 v 6 should be a great new mode of play..Maybee two new Arenas for that?
So now we have more like customisable henchmen vs henchmen and a single human, more like a TA Henchway, GG.
I've been doing alot of PvP for most of the year I've been playing GW.
Whoever was questioning that...Yes the new skills will cause metagame to change, but its the same mode of play, same old HA maps, just a couple more GvG halls.
I expected more from just a TA henchway and ~4 New maps seriously...As for new skills, they're part of the package with new professions...dont even count the maps...unless they even have some new sort of objective apart from deathmatch, relic cap, flag cap, altar cap.
Knightsaber sith, 2 new arenas...like DUH...Factions didnt have great PvE I agree and Nightfall seems to have better PvE, Thats Cool with me and everyone, its not like I'm stealing a lollypop from PvErs, I myself love to PvE, until it gets same-old.... but that should not be the reason for not offering anything dramatic to PvP part of the game, Factions PvE kinda lacked its taste, that was a mistake but that should not be an excuse to not deliver some great new PvP material for Nightfall. So are we gonna have a cycle? PvP-PvE-PvP-PvE ...Anet should balance the releases too
Sektor, they can bring new modes of play just into GvG and HA, not everything should have same kind of goals like killing GL and capping towers or capping Altars, running relics, there are always little new things that can be added...dont tell me the two new leeroy jenkins they added to GH...they seem like a good addition when you're fighting them lol.
A 6 v 6 should be a great new mode of play..Maybee two new Arenas for that?
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All I'm saying is there should be some more serious mode of gameplay okay, What you have told me about "new skills and maps" has already been mentioned in my first post, read carefully next time. If you have nothing meaningfull to contribute, be it criticism, then dont start flaming because I am not. Ninjakai, with your post, seems like you are trolling.
So now we have more like customisable henchmen vs henchmen and a single human, more like a TA Henchway, GG. |
So it is like playing 4 characters on the same client. So don't just go around calling it "TA Henchway". It is a true test of your "micro". In TA henchway, you only have to control your own build, and where the henchies attack. In heroway, you can either choose to use the heroes as henchies, or to control 4 characters down to the every little detail. A true test of skills.
_Zexion
Phrozenflame
Well, I'd like to see more details of how deep you can go controlling ur heroes...actually Henchway is bit more than attack...anyway..I'd like to see more details until then I dont have much of a right to make noise, but still, other things I stand corrected. hmph ;p
Lordhelmos
Are you insane? Nothing new to PVP? Don't you realize that all the new skills are going to implode the metagame?
seraphite86
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Besides; Factions was pvp focused and Nightfall is pve focused so don't whine
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Cloudpiercer
If they added alot of PVP in Nightfall, AB and all the Faction PVP missions would suffer even more from the "no opposing party" syndrome. Because it would split PVPers in half, half that bought NF playing those PVP maps and the half that didnt still in Cantha.
(sorry if that doesnt make sense, I'm sleepy)
(sorry if that doesnt make sense, I'm sleepy)
Tozen
Omg, Hero Vs Hero is the coolest PvP idea I've ever heard of.
Remember, you can CONTROL the heroes you have in your team DIRECTLY. Do you know how much freakin PERSONAL SKILL this is going to take to be uber?
It's such a great idea that I hope it gets own ladder!
Remember, you can CONTROL the heroes you have in your team DIRECTLY. Do you know how much freakin PERSONAL SKILL this is going to take to be uber?
It's such a great idea that I hope it gets own ladder!
Angel Netherborn
Umm... apparently no one seems to realise something: It's a planned decision to focus on PvE with Nightfall. Anet is doing an alternating focus. Factions is more about PvP, and so will Chapter 4. So of course there's not much new PvP content compared to PvE.
Abdul
HvH sounds like it has potential, you get to define the skillbars, and directly control the heroes. Reminds me of RTS, with the micro that may be involved.
However I am worried that Anet will force players to PvE before they can play this mode, like they did with FA and JQ. I really don't want to have to go through the PvE game multiple times to get a different combination of heroes on my team.
However I am worried that Anet will force players to PvE before they can play this mode, like they did with FA and JQ. I really don't want to have to go through the PvE game multiple times to get a different combination of heroes on my team.
drekmonger
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It's such a great idea that I hope it gets own ladder!
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Guru pay aisay sawal puchnay ki kya zarurat ? No one cares :/
Phrozenflame
Yaar han sahih keh raheh ho, per really yaar 4-5 muft kay map aur naye skills jo hoteh hi hain...zabardasti khareedney wali baat hogaye hai, warna ur kicked out of the metagame.
Yes atleast they should make the HvH more organised and into ladder and atleast give a "feel" of something major new addition to pvp....
Yes atleast they should make the HvH more organised and into ladder and atleast give a "feel" of something major new addition to pvp....
Nevin
2 New Professions, New Guild Halls, 2 New Arenas, New Skills, Hero vs. Hero... For a true PvP player this means hours and hours of new material to work with.
Terra Xin
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hero vs hero isn't 1v1; it's your 3 custom henchmen against the other guys custom henchmen
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Blackhawk
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Just like... Pokemon, but not as lame.
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sassoonssamson
heroes in PVP would rock
dont forget u get to select everything the hero does his armour skills weapons etc
it s like your own sidekick
u could make combos with these heroes
it there is a hero who is a monk and equip him with enchanments and if u r a dervish u will know what that combo can do for you
dont forget u get to select everything the hero does his armour skills weapons etc
it s like your own sidekick
u could make combos with these heroes
it there is a hero who is a monk and equip him with enchanments and if u r a dervish u will know what that combo can do for you
Bankai
Hmmm yeah. An order necro and 3 assassin henchies.
Khift
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PvP is competitive, organized, team based play. JQ, FA, ABs, and HvH do not fulfill those basic tenets and thus they do not count as PvP, just cheap imitations.
All Factions added was new classes, new skills, a couple new items mods, new guild halls and new TA maps. All Nightfall will add is new classes, new skills, a couple new item mods (maybe, unconfirmed), new guild halls and new TA maps. All c4 will add is... you get the point. Us PvP'ers should get used to it I guess. About the best thing we can hope for is a rework of HA come c4.
Horseman Of War
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PvP is competitive, organized, team based play. JQ, FA, ABs, and HvH do not fulfill those basic tenets and thus they do not count as PvP, just cheap imitations. |
by your logic Random Arena is not pvp.
Factions is focused on pvp over pve. Not that Im one to complain- i think the amount of pve is just perfect, but its rediculous to think Factions isnt geared more towards pvp.
The very nature of the game makes arguements like this very pointless. There are plenty of people who own Factions who NEVER pvp.. and there will be plenty of people getting Nightfall ONLY for the skills/pvp.
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pvp = player versus player
by your logic Random Arena is not pvp. the only limitation I see is your view on the matter. Factions is focused on pvp over pve. Not that Im one to complain- i think the amount of pve is just perfect, but its rediculous to think Factions isnt geared more towards pvp. The very nature of the game makes arguements like this very pointless. There are plenty of people who own Factions who NEVER pvp.. and there will be plenty of people getting Nightfall ONLY for the skills/pvp. |
This isn't just my opinion. This is the opinion of the PvP community as a whole. Go over to Team-iQ or the Rifts forum and ask about it - you'll get the same response. The PvP community has a distinct hatred for FA, JQ and ABs because they don't meet those three tenets. They won't like HvH either for the same reasons.
The only purpose FA, JQ, ABs and soon HvH has is to try and pull PvE'ers into PvP which interestingly enough miffed a bunch of PvE'ers too. PvE'ers see those formats as PvP. PvP'ers see those formats as PvE. In truth they're neither, just sewage.
Zubey
Speak for yourself, please.
Aspenwood and Alliance Battles are two of my favorite parts of Factions. PVP without the elitism = good, imo.
Aspenwood and Alliance Battles are two of my favorite parts of Factions. PVP without the elitism = good, imo.
Horseman Of War
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This isn't just my opinion. This is the opinion of the PvP community as a whole. Go over to Team-iQ or the Rifts forum and ask about it - you'll get the same response. The PvP community has a distinct hatred for FA, JQ and ABs because they don't meet those three tenets. They won't like HvH either for the same reasons.
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i dont take opinions from your name-dropping. throwing around names of high-ranking guilds does not make you a sociologist. Youre not even IN those guilds- youre a FAN.
so iQ and rifts are now the definitive source of everything pvp? sorry, must have missed the game update on that one...
a high ranking ladder guild has nothing to do with the average player.
Considering your posts are being met with this kind of response, I think you need to rethink the term "pvp players as a whole"
Im sure you are speaking for the worldwide pvp community of hundreds of thousands of people... and youve carefully translated worldwide forums.
All I read is your opinion, which is fine, but to over-generalize like this is what is rediculous. It might be a fact that the two guilds you mention feel about this... but what is that- like 200 people tops?
Edit--> If your ab battles are so unorganized, maybe you should invest in a headset and get teamspeak...
Ninna
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The only purpose FA, JQ, ABs and soon HvH has is to try and pull PvE'ers into PvP which interestingly enough miffed a bunch of PvE'ers too. PvE'ers see those formats as PvP. PvP'ers see those formats as PvE. In truth they're neither, just sewage.
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so much so that I'm still playing Guild Wars
- usually I quit the game until next chapter after 1st 2months
Fort Aspenwood was not "sewage" for me and has kept me playing GW while waiting for Nightfall
Horseman Of War
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All c4 will add is... you get the point. Us PvP'ers should get used to it I guess. About the best thing we can hope for is a rework of HA come c4.
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I would hope they dont change HA. Anymore than they already did btw...
Knightsaber Sith
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I wish people would stop spreading this piece of utter misinformation. Factions PvP was a joke. The only PvP content added by Factions was new classes, new skills, a couple new item mods, new guild halls and new TA maps. That's it.
PvP is competitive, organized, team based play. JQ, FA, ABs, and HvH do not fulfill those basic tenets and thus they do not count as PvP, just cheap imitations. |
Clawdius_Talonious
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We had more fun going to the movies.
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2 game purchases, $100, 2800 hours and counting...
I think I prefer the entertainment value of Guild Wars myself...
BDStyle
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I wish people would stop spreading this piece of utter misinformation. Factions PvP was a joke. The only PvP content added by Factions was new classes, new skills, a couple new item mods, new guild halls and new TA maps. That's it.
PvP is competitive, organized, team based play. JQ, FA, ABs, and HvH do not fulfill those basic tenets and thus they do not count as PvP, just cheap imitations. All Factions added was new classes, new skills, a couple new items mods, new guild halls and new TA maps. All Nightfall will add is new classes, new skills, a couple new item mods (maybe, unconfirmed), new guild halls and new TA maps. All c4 will add is... you get the point. Us PvP'ers should get used to it I guess. About the best thing we can hope for is a rework of HA come c4. |
AB,FA and JQ added FUN to the GAME.. funnily enough the vast majority of the game is populated by people who just want a good time.
I play compettively in gvg,ta and ha but the other arena's to me are a good laugh and thats it. Stuff the elitist attitude, i'll play for fun in ab and pull out builds that i'd never even dream of risking in gvg
Pull your head out of the game a second and look around