Lets all agree that Heros should not steal drops, i.e henchies!
miasma
Sign this if you agree, that since we have to spend the moola to equip these guys that we should have axcess to there drops to use as we please. Sign this is you also agree that Heros should have a basic inventory to facilitate this and the storage of multiple weapon sets. Would'nt this be great, once and for all solo farming would be a dead issue in GW. Sign or discuss why not signed.
Knightsaber Sith
We don't even know yet if we have to spend money on them. For all we know they might have a selection screen like for the pvp only weapons where you just pick what they use. Wait until we actually learn how it works before starting with the complaining petitions.
Horseman Of War
very insightful. Im wondering if they will have an all out inventory, or just equipped-only type inventory (like diablo II henchies). If they have their own, that might be even better- although who in the group gets to keep them then? Hmmm... I think I answered my own question.
/signed but only kind-of. Itd be just like solo farming every time you went out... which might be a bad thing really...
I read that they can use items customized to us (ala pc gamer: "collector NPCs (can use anything customized to YOUR character)") -paraphrased, but they do specifically say Collector NPC which brings up a question thats been on my mind for a month now...
Either way, Im not giving my henchies ANYTHING til I know its bug free!! (can you imagine the horror?)
/signed but only kind-of. Itd be just like solo farming every time you went out... which might be a bad thing really...
I read that they can use items customized to us (ala pc gamer: "collector NPCs (can use anything customized to YOUR character)") -paraphrased, but they do specifically say Collector NPC which brings up a question thats been on my mind for a month now...
Either way, Im not giving my henchies ANYTHING til I know its bug free!! (can you imagine the horror?)
Kha
No thanks. I like grouping with people, and I shouldn't be at a disadvantage just because I like to be social and not play an ONLINE MULTIPLAYER game by myself. I think Heroes will be cool, and I can't wait to see how they're implemented exactly though.
As Knightsaber Sith stated, it's too early to know for sure. The fact that you can control them and customize them should be all that's needed to make Heroes a success.
Being able to farm a place with a group of Heroes and getting ALL the drops? Talk about really hurting the online community...
As Knightsaber Sith stated, it's too early to know for sure. The fact that you can control them and customize them should be all that's needed to make Heroes a success.
Being able to farm a place with a group of Heroes and getting ALL the drops? Talk about really hurting the online community...
Mordakai
Huh, if we all have access to Heros, how will this hurt the "community."
It will be interesting to see how they do drops, if heros have storage we can access, or anything like that.
I suppose we'll find out soon enough (the preview even should give us our first preview of heros.)
It will be interesting to see how they do drops, if heros have storage we can access, or anything like that.
I suppose we'll find out soon enough (the preview even should give us our first preview of heros.)
AuraofMana
Hmm IDK everyone overfarms stuff, which means getting the extremely expensive stuff will not be HARD anymore... so there are a lot of supplies..
It's call: "when everyone has good stuff to sell, then everyone will lower the prices in order to sell them, and thus, lower the prices of stuff".
That's call economy.
It's call: "when everyone has good stuff to sell, then everyone will lower the prices in order to sell them, and thus, lower the prices of stuff".
That's call economy.
curtman
I do not think the player should get them, due to the potential of farm abuse.
I do think they should be customized and useable by the hero if they drop.
I do think they should be customized and useable by the hero if they drop.
DeanBB
Hmmm, Hero Bob, I'll trade you this most excellent Monster Hide for that worthless Smiting Spear of Uberness that you got there! 
Mordakai
I still don't get the "farm abuse" argument.
Again, if everyone can do it, how does it hurt anyone?
if we're going to make up reasons why this would be a "bad thing", at least make them rational.
EDIT: Nice one, DeanBB!
Again, if everyone can do it, how does it hurt anyone?
if we're going to make up reasons why this would be a "bad thing", at least make them rational.
EDIT: Nice one, DeanBB!
Tainek
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No thanks. I like grouping with people, and I shouldn't be at a disadvantage just because I like to be social and not play an ONLINE MULTIPLAYER game by myself.
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But if your Paying for theyre armour and Weapons, then why shouldnt you get theyre drops? the OP is saying if your paying so much to use them, we should get some return back, Or We Get penalised (3 heros, say 20K each to equip, 60K just for the privilage to play with heros)
too early to say imo
AJM
I think that if heroes do get to keep their drops, they should actually use the good ones. If they get a green, they'd use it. I'd rather feel I'm getting some benefit out of the thing, even if I can't use it.
Kha
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But if your Paying for theyre armour and Weapons, then why shouldnt you get theyre drops? the OP is saying if your paying so much to use them, we should get some return back, Or We Get penalised (3 heros, say 20K each to equip, 60K just for the privilage to play with heros)
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If you want to give them awesome looking weapons that go for 100k+ ecto or get them expensive and high-detailed armor (if either of these are possible)then that's YOUR choice and is not required to make your Hero more effective. The game shouldn't be "paying" you with drops to help you twink out your Hero nor you.
People are just going to complain about anything and everything. They complain for over a year about henchmen AI, and when the game finally seems to come up with a solution they start complaining and worrying about things before it's even released.
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kazjun
Don't really care about drops, but like AJM said, if they get a green or something it'd be good if they used it. I'm more concerned about whether they can come with us to Cantha and Tyria. I'm hoping Tahlkora's a warrior so I can take her back to cantha and get her in the war-thong I'll gladly pay for the armour and an exalted just so she looks good. Maybe a fell depending on how tall she is...
I'll gladly pay for the armour and an exalted just so she looks good. Maybe a fell depending on how tall she is...
Paperfly
/Unsigned.
The last thing we need is for 100% human parties to experience effectively fewer drops per character than a heroes-slash-henchies team.
The last thing we need is for 100% human parties to experience effectively fewer drops per character than a heroes-slash-henchies team.
Cloudpiercer
I dont think it would work out.
All I know is if they have actually inventories.... there just gonna become my mules. Walking Storage characters FTW
All I know is if they have actually inventories.... there just gonna become my mules. Walking Storage characters FTW
GloryFox
Your Primise is wrong Henchies don't steel drops any more than PUG's.
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Mordakai
Ah, but GloryFox, we don't have to give henchies weapons or upgrade their armor either!
It's funny, people say "don't jump to conclusions" the same time they assume that these Heros weapons and armor will upgrade automatically.
It sounded to me like Heros are just other characters you can have complete control over. Thinking they have storage is a logical conclusion to that.
Anywho, we'll find out in a few days...
It's funny, people say "don't jump to conclusions" the same time they assume that these Heros weapons and armor will upgrade automatically.
It sounded to me like Heros are just other characters you can have complete control over. Thinking they have storage is a logical conclusion to that.
Anywho, we'll find out in a few days...
GloryFox
I would also assume they would be like a PvP character and you assign your HERO with gear, but your right Mordakai we wiill see.
HawkofStorms
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Maria The Princess
ill just sign it....in case OP's idea is realisable
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strcpy
If I have to equip them then /signed. I have to pay for all of them I should get their money. I see no reason for *me* (one of those casual gamers that anet talks about) getting the shaft because I don't have hours and hours to farm. It's already hard to keep up with runes, weapons, and armor for new characters, let alone if I need to outfit 7 additional ones (or, heaven forbid, 7 new ones per character). It would make it where I can not experiment in the least.
If they keep their drops (and get the gold/choose from them) then not signed. If they have decent weapons/armor and I can choose to give them something else then not (their initial choce must be decent though - no X levels below outside drops or anything). Especially if it is like PvP where you get to choose unlocked weapons, mods, and armors then most definatly not signed.
I'll wait until I see what they do to make my decision. I'm VERY happy to have customizable henchman even if I have to pay through the nose. I trust them not to screw it up too badly so I will wait before I full on flame (actually I trust them to do at least a decent job - it's really hard to get something most will be happy with and that is what they have to do, even if it doesn't make this particular person happy).
If they keep their drops (and get the gold/choose from them) then not signed. If they have decent weapons/armor and I can choose to give them something else then not (their initial choce must be decent though - no X levels below outside drops or anything). Especially if it is like PvP where you get to choose unlocked weapons, mods, and armors then most definatly not signed.
I'll wait until I see what they do to make my decision. I'm VERY happy to have customizable henchman even if I have to pay through the nose. I trust them not to screw it up too badly so I will wait before I full on flame
(actually I trust them to do at least a decent job - it's really hard to get something most will be happy with and that is what they have to do, even if it doesn't make this particular person happy).
Tozen
While I'm all in favor of expanding from solo-farming as the only viable means to make money, I'm not sure that this is the proper solution.
Good effort though!
Good effort though!
Well99
/signed
bigwig
completely unrealistic
Angel Netherborn
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1) Totally unbalances other campaigns by making it far easier to farm for gold.
2) Totally pushes people towards NOT partying with other people.
3) Totally wrong to say they 'steal' drops. Henchies and heroes should get their fair share for helping you out and not give up everything to you like a slave.
1) Totally unbalances other campaigns by making it far easier to farm for gold.
2) Totally pushes people towards NOT partying with other people.
3) Totally wrong to say they 'steal' drops. Henchies and heroes should get their fair share for helping you out and not give up everything to you like a slave.
Amok Affinity
what would be the point. they are party members all the same and as such should get a cut of the drops as any party members would. if you want everything to yourself, you should have to do all the work for it.
imo.
imo.
Tetris L
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If you want ALL the drops, play SOLO.
Having the help of 3 (or even 7) NPCs should come at a cost.
If you want ALL the drops, play SOLO.
Having the help of 3 (or even 7) NPCs should come at a cost.
EternalTempest
/unsigned
Heroes have mouths to feed, armor to up keep, and weapons to keep sharp.
Heroes have mouths to feed, armor to up keep, and weapons to keep sharp.
Mordakai
Sigh. For the sake of this argument, can we please stop comparing Henchies to Heros?
We don't have to equip Henchies. We may have to equip Heros.
And if we do, I don't want to have to solo farm to get them all the stuff they need (but hopefully, Anet already has a solution for this in mind!)
Hell, I don't want to farm, period, whether it's by myself, with henchies, or with 3 heros (the max number of Heros you can have with you).
We don't have to equip Henchies. We may have to equip Heros.
And if we do, I don't want to have to solo farm to get them all the stuff they need (but hopefully, Anet already has a solution for this in mind!)
Hell, I don't want to farm, period, whether it's by myself, with henchies, or with 3 heros (the max number of Heros you can have with you).
Dazzler
/not signed.
The drop system is designed to reward you for difficulty. Fight with less people on your side and your effective drop rate is higher. Bringing heroes along makes combat easier -- just like bringing other players or henchies. Thus your effective drop rate should go down. But if Heroes collect loot that you are then able to take then this balance is broken.
If, however, any loot the hero gets is customized to the hero then yes it would be good. It would satisfy your desire to have the hero "pay his way" and equip himself from loot and also satisfy other people's desire to keep the drop system balanced. It would kinda cool (and heart-wrenching) to see your hero tricked out in a perfect fellblade that fell for him instead of you. lol
The drop system is designed to reward you for difficulty. Fight with less people on your side and your effective drop rate is higher. Bringing heroes along makes combat easier -- just like bringing other players or henchies. Thus your effective drop rate should go down. But if Heroes collect loot that you are then able to take then this balance is broken.
If, however, any loot the hero gets is customized to the hero then yes it would be good. It would satisfy your desire to have the hero "pay his way" and equip himself from loot and also satisfy other people's desire to keep the drop system balanced. It would kinda cool (and heart-wrenching) to see your hero tricked out in a perfect fellblade that fell for him instead of you. lol
Priest Of Sin
Eh, I just want customizeable henchie skillbars...
Ele Henchie: Arcane Echo, Elemental Attunement, Fire Attunement, Meteor Shower!
Fighter Henchie: Executioner's Strike, Eviscerate, Disrupting Chop, TIger's Fury, IWAY!
Healing Henchie: Word Of Healing, Healing Touch, Healing Seed
Prot Henchie: Life Bond, Life Barrier!
Ranger Henchie: Barrage+FW+5/-1 vamp bow.
Necro Henchie: BiP, BR, Shadow Strike, Vamp Swarm, Blood Renewal.
Secondary Necro Henchie: SS, IP, RH, Arcane Echo!
Bwahaha, rape-age in nightfall.
Ele Henchie: Arcane Echo, Elemental Attunement, Fire Attunement, Meteor Shower!
Fighter Henchie: Executioner's Strike, Eviscerate, Disrupting Chop, TIger's Fury, IWAY!
Healing Henchie: Word Of Healing, Healing Touch, Healing Seed
Prot Henchie: Life Bond, Life Barrier!
Ranger Henchie: Barrage+FW+5/-1 vamp bow.
Necro Henchie: BiP, BR, Shadow Strike, Vamp Swarm, Blood Renewal.
Secondary Necro Henchie: SS, IP, RH, Arcane Echo!
Bwahaha, rape-age in nightfall.
Loviatar
actually heros will take their cut as usual since they are using a character slot same as you same as hench.
so get used to it.
i say since they are better than the regular hench they should get double drops because i can guarantee they wont come free as farmers little helper
so get used to it.
i say since they are better than the regular hench they should get double drops because i can guarantee they wont come free as farmers little helper
SpeedyKQ
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For all we know they might have a selection screen like for the pvp only weapons where you just pick what they use.
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Or maybe they keep their drops, you get to do their shopping for them, but you can't transfer stuff from them to you.
Or else the heroes' drops just disappear and you have to pay out of pocket to equip them. Seems unfair, but the game needs money sinks.
The one thing I'm sure they won't do is just let you have all of their drops. Spend a few K to outfit 3 heroes with the basics once, then be able to do 4-man "solo" farming forever? Not gonna happen.