Nightfall Skill Update #2

Dreikki

Dreikki

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Kemi, Finland.

Pirates of the Searing [YoHo]

Mo/

Quote:
The Paragon Shout "Can't Touch This!", which causes touch skills to fail completely, allows you to counter such skills as Blackout, Shock, or Vampiric Touch.
I hope Paragon is going to get an awesome dance.

This is going to be overspammed in AB and no one will use touch rangers there again.

azunder

azunder

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clawdius_Talonious
So backfire, Wastrels Worry, and Wastrels Demise would be a good spike their next time to cast a spell. Wastrels worry does damage whether or not they use a skill, it just goes off prematurely if you use a skill...
Last time I checked, wastrel's worry only damages if the foe uses no skills during its duration.

Another way of reading the screwed up wastrel's demise description is that it's a version of wastrel's worry that deals extra damage depending on the amount of spells that they have and only disappears if a spell is cast. What I think they mixed up were wastrel's worry and backfire because:
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Originally Posted by website
The more time they spend in indecision gives you more chances to damage them with Demise
This implies that demise hurts them when they can't decide what to do. Wastrel's worry won't create that indecision since casting any spell will save you from both hexes. On the other hand, a skill that
Quote:
Originally Posted by website
gives them damage if they decide to cast a Spell
will cause a Catch-22 situation. Backfire fits that description perfectly.

On the other hand, demise could just be a souped up backfire just as other people said. Either way, it still looks like a boring skill.

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

theres a post below this with alll the new spells and no ele did not get shafted

Spura

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

I just hope "The power is yours" doesn't become a requirement skill, that without it people won't take you into groups. Kinda like now you either have to be SS or MM necro or people won't take you. I'd hate so see that happen to paragon.

Legendary Shiz

Legendary Shiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Sig of suffering added into a sbspike? Seems like it would be hella fun to try at least.

stefan_moore

stefan_moore

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spura
I just hope "The power is yours" doesn't become a requirement skill, that without it people won't take you into groups. Kinda like now you either have to be SS or MM necro or people won't take you. I'd hate so see that happen to paragon.
well its not gonna happen to a paragon because "The power is yours" is a warrior skill but yeah i no what you mean it would be bad if it was a requirment for a war.

Crimso

Crimso

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

PCformatforums[PCFF]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by azunder
Last time I checked, wastrel's worry only damages if the foe uses no skills during its duration.

Another way of reading the screwed up wastrel's demise description is that it's a version of wastrel's worry that deals extra damage depending on the amount of spells that they have and only disappears if a spell is cast. What I think they mixed up were wastrel's worry and backfire because:

This implies that demise hurts them when they can't decide what to do. Wastrel's worry won't create that indecision since casting any spell will save you from both hexes. On the other hand, a skill that


will cause a Catch-22 situation. Backfire fits that description perfectly.

On the other hand, demise could just be a souped up backfire just as other people said. Either way, it still looks like a boring skill.
I get the feeling that their changing wastrels worry to if they use a spell and make wastrles demise to if they dont use a spell.

Knightsaber Sith

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreikki
I hope Paragon is going to get an awesome dance.

It's Michael Jackson's beat it. You can download the video of the dance off the official site.

Clawdius_Talonious

Clawdius_Talonious

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Screwston, Tejas

KOS

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by azunder
Last time I checked, wastrel's worry only damages if the foe uses no skills during its duration.
You're right, I never played as a mesmer much, however I thought that Wastrels Worry ended prematurely and actually did damage, if you used a skill. I further thought that was accurate because, why would Anet mix up their own skills? Yet I went outside TOA where I knew I could get wastrels cast on me with ease, and it only did damage to me when I didn't use any skills during its duration.

I'm really going to have to wait and see the description of Wastrels Demise. The only time I ever really used Wastrels Worry was in a SB/RI build...

Apparently Anet had a tired employee writing the initial descriptions, heh...

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Originally Posted by Yesterday
Throw spell-casters a real Catch-22 with these two skills. Wastrel's Worry gives them damage if they decide to cast a Spell, while Wastrel's Demise punishes them when they don't cast. The more time they spend in indecision gives you more chances to damage them with Demise, which inflicts bonus damage for every Spell equipped on the target's Skill Bar.
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Originally Posted by Today
Throw indecisive or overly contemplative spell-casters a real snag with these two skills. Wastrel's Worry gives them damage if they wait too long before deciding what to cast, while Wastrel's Demise hits them for extra damage if they aren't actively casting. In addition, Wastrel's Demise inflicts even more damage for every Spell equipped on the target's Skill Bar. Watch for spell-casters that like to sit and wait before casting, rather than those who prefer to rapid-fire through their Skill Bar. For example, a Mesmer who tries to time a perfect interrupt might be a likely target for Wastrel type Hexing.

Horseman Of War

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

P/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz
Sig of suffering added into a sbspike? Seems like it would be hella fun to try at least.
maybe.


Id rather be using it for my SS ... now that dervishes are here, Ill finally be able to feel good about using soul barbs again...

soul barbs - for every hex or enchantment target takes xx dmg
spiteful spirit - if you dont know im not telling
parasitic bond- huzzah
throw in 2 or three more of your favorite hexes
cast Sig of Suffering

watch the dervish cry.

Horseman Of War

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

P/

Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan_moore
well its not gonna happen to a paragon because "The power is yours" is a warrior skill but yeah i no what you mean it would be bad if it was a requirment for a war.
well of course there will be plenty of new gimmick builds popping up... but typically I dont care to group with people that DEPEND on others to make their own build work.

Itll be a nice addition, but if someone asks me to rework my warrior build to incorporate Power is Yours, ill probably tell them to do it themselves and quit bugging me.

(unless of course i like the skill/ have a use for it myself)

For example, my MM build is non standard... I dont feel its necessary to GIMP the MM by taking monk skills... and although I get hell for it in the Staging Area- by the time the darkness is taking 480 dmg in 2 seconds, the group thanks me.

Ken Dei

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

Thank you god I can play my Mimic Mesmer so much more effectively now. Signet of Illusions ftw.