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Lucid_Azure

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2006

Lords of the underworld [LUW]

E/R

21 Sep 2006 at 05:49 - 1

I know, I know. So you haven't tried using them yet. But come on. There's loads of info out there about them. For instance Paragon use spears, and look sorta roman/greek to me. Dervish carry scyths, and were cloaks with hoods. The setting/place is centered around africa, and the desert. Obviously, they're equal, but who is better to you? What do you think it will be like to play one? How excited are you about nightfall? Etc.

I'm hoping for a rhino, tiger, or a crocidile pet accompanying the dervish I'm gonna make personally. My name is going to mean Desert Flower. I'm soooooooo excited I'm dying. I think that what they say...they're going to make assasin's useful in nightfall is just rubbish. i had a hard time with my sin. Your turn

(make sure you download the dances from the site, they tell you about the character a little more. They're crazy fast dancers them dervish woman...)

Quid Pro Quo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

21 Sep 2006 at 06:00 - 2

Could you be a bit more specific? Dervish would be better if I just wanted somthing dead but Paragon would be better if I didn't want somthing to die.

Personally I like the Dervish more just because its the style of gameplay I've been waiting for but in terms of which one is more.. "powerful" I would say the Paragon just because they can survive so well and do a fair ammount of damage from far away.

So personally Dervish for style but Paragon for power. I also think the Paragons dodged the nerf bullet during the PvP weekend because people chose to focus on Dervish more even though the Paragon had a higher opportunity for "exploit".

Lucid_Azure

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2006

Lords of the underworld [LUW]

E/R

21 Sep 2006 at 06:16 - 3

hows this?

Dervish: dervish carry sharp scyths in which they swing at there enemies in many ways. They almost practically 'become' the gods (as rumor so far says), unlike the monk who prays to the gods for help. Dervish like in desert/african regions. The contonent in which they come from is called Elona. Some dervish travel to Cantha, or even to tyria to visit the other parts of the world. They wear heavy cloaks seen in a navy kind of blue. They sheild their eyes partly, sort of like the ritualist.

Paragon: Paragon carry pointy spears that are very neat. Paragon are people that have mostly had something bad happen in there life, and have been deserted. They also come from Elona just like the Dervish. they wear white/gold armors. They almost look as if they are greek/roman. They are very interesting people, but do not like to speak. Paragon gather together after being abandoned.

This good? This specific? Or do you mean something else? I like typing.

Quid Pro Quo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

21 Sep 2006 at 06:30 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucid_Azure

hows this?

Dervish: dervish carry sharp scyths in which they swing at there enemies in many ways. They almost practically 'become' the gods (as rumor so far says), unlike the monk who prays to the gods for help. Dervish like in desert/african regions. The contonent in which they come from is called Elona. Some dervish travel to Cantha, or even to tyria to visit the other parts of the world. They wear heavy cloaks seen in a navy kind of blue. They sheild their eyes partly, sort of like the ritualist.

Paragon: Paragon carry pointy spears that are very neat. Paragon are people that have mostly had something bad happen in there life, and have been deserted. They also come from Elona just like the Dervish. they wear white/gold armors. They almost look as if they are greek/roman. They are very interesting people, but do not like to speak. Paragon gather together after being abandoned.

This good? This specific? Or do you mean something else? I like typing.

Thats not what I meant. I know what the Paragon and Dervish are we have already played them during the PvP weekend event I wanted to know what you meant by "better" since the Paragon and Dervish are built to do two very different jobs.

Lord Palidore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

21 Sep 2006 at 06:53 - 5

It's all a matter of preference, really.

I didn't get to play the Dervish or Paragon during the PvP event, was out of town for my Bday the whole weekend.

Taking a look at the two though, I definately prefer the Paragon over the Dervish at the moment.

TheBaron82

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

21 Sep 2006 at 07:20 - 6

D/Mo ftw! duh

. Personally I think paragon is a bit harder to play since you gotta do a lot of things support shouts for group/individual, observe when to use certain chants, attack to build up adren etc. Dervish I think it's a bit more straight forward AoE enchant and attack, rarely I see a party support dervish other than beat the war on your monk to pressure him.

doinchi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Singapore

Sheperd of Souls

W/Mo

21 Sep 2006 at 07:53 - 7

I usually play warrior, so I felt the Dervish was a better class. The Dervish is a more complex class to play as it requires alot more enchants than warriors and only has 70al. But its ability to self heal, and deal incredible damage is great. Paragon is a very good support class that guildwars needs, but I never got the hang of it or enjoyed using a paragon. So, Dervish ftw. Besides, the cloaks and the the scythes look awesome hehe.

akh

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Europe

FTW

A/E

21 Sep 2006 at 08:00 - 8

i prefer paragon and im going to play as a p/w on event. however majority of players probably will choose dervish. wammo --> demmo - evolution ?

Poison Ivy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Toronto

Hopping

Mo/A

21 Sep 2006 at 08:09 - 9

Paragons.

Simply because God doesn't mean anything to me

Vermilion Okeanos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

21 Sep 2006 at 08:39 - 10

paragon going change the game pretty intensely, while dervish wont nearly have as much impact on... but perhaps more fun to play with.

Clord

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Finland

Victory Via Valour

21 Sep 2006 at 08:54 - 11

Dervish change more than you think. You only need take eg Dervish secondary class (W/D) and now you have Multi attack with eg Warrior's defensive skills. Then just equip Scyth of course.

blaise

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Holland

FeS

E/Me

21 Sep 2006 at 09:15 - 12

Paragon FTW

kimahri

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Defenders of the Blackblade [DotB]

E/

21 Sep 2006 at 10:35 - 13

Paragons are the one I like the most, can't say which is best though.

Hyaon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

P/W

21 Sep 2006 at 10:45 - 14

I reckon Dervish is going to rock IF the skills are same as they were in preview pvp event. Id rather spin around than dance like para do too

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

21 Sep 2006 at 11:15 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

Paragons.

Simply because God doesn't mean anything to me

Oh wow you're such a rebel

Really now, you should know better to talk about Religion in a thread.

Anyways, I'll be playing Paragon most definitly.

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

21 Sep 2006 at 11:25 - 16

I play support classes much better than I do with melee or rangers, so I'd go with paragon (and not use their spear for the main purpose)

Stemnin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/Me

21 Sep 2006 at 11:52 - 17

Its not about which is better, its about how you use it... I just happen to use dervish better.. shall be D/E or D/Me for the event..

Queenie

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

21 Sep 2006 at 13:13 - 18

Right now I'm favoring the paragon class. Dervishes are just like wamos because they use scythes, which is melee? And paragon uses a spear I mean that’s pretty cool but i think ultimately the dervish class will fail just like the assassin's in factions.

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

21 Sep 2006 at 13:20 - 19

Meh, they are both quite different and I have a hungering to try them both

Honestly though, I think I'll enjoy paragon more, I'm just not a melee character...

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

21 Sep 2006 at 13:29 - 20

Let's see...

Paragon 80 armor, ranged attack, really nice shouts, chants and Echoes. Oh, and a energy rebuilding primary. I'm not going to say that Paragon is going to replace Warrior, because it's not, but it is going to change the game.

Dervish area attacks, god avatars, energy and health regen through Primary... hopefully, won't be nerfed too much!

Honestly, I can't say which will be "better". The cool thing is both these professions have energy rebuilding Primaries, which makes them both very useful. Tack on the 80 armor, and I guess I'd have to say Paragon looks like a "better" Primary Profession than Dervish, but I'll hold final judgement until we see the final skills.

Xenoslave42

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

Lucifer's Legion

Rt/N

21 Sep 2006 at 13:48 - 21

I think each individual person's play style will dictate which one of them is 'better'. That being said, I'm looking forward to the Paragon far more than the Dervish. I've already got a couple of builds planned out just from the short time I spent using one in the pvp event.

gene terrodon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Maryland/DC Area

Farmers Unite [FU]

W/

21 Sep 2006 at 15:18 - 22

I like the Paragon better. Their high armor and great support skills are nice, but more than anything...they chuck spears.

The Dervish reminds me of the Grim Reaper...hooded - scythes.
They also seem gimmicky to me.

Eventually, I'll play both, but the Paragon excites the Dervish...not so much.

Kais Unduli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Room V

21 Sep 2006 at 15:53 - 23

I'm going to make 1 of each and play them out a bit. Once I have a firm grasp of what each one is capable, I'll pick 1 to roll with, then come back to the other.

I've always liked playing support characters over melee characters, so I'm leaning towards the paragon first. Won't know which one I really like more until October.

Cloudpiercer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

R/

21 Sep 2006 at 16:27 - 24

I like how people are calling the Dervish a gimmick class when they are based on an actual culture.

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

P/

21 Sep 2006 at 16:47 - 25

I guess it depends on what you want to do...

I dont see myself using a scythe secondary- it attacks too slow, and most of the dervish skills are enchantments... meaning you miss out on the mysticism bonus if its your secondary.

Paragon as a secondary seems much more versatile... aside from just critical spear and ranger spear...

It depends on the final balancing... on the preview weekend Id definately say the dervishes had the upper hand....

But then again too, Im looking forward to Mesmerizing any derbish I see in the arenas this weekend...

That new necromancer Signet of Suffering will help that.

EDIT->

I forgot to say which one i prefer...

Dervish. You can find a good rthmy and not even have to pay attention to the fight. Pious Strike ftw, personally.

However, I feel the Paragon is more of an acheivement as far as getting an uber character built out... so I am looking forward to playing the Paragon more.. both as primary and secondary.

J3mo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

NL

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Mo/

21 Sep 2006 at 16:50 - 26

Im gonna play a Dervish jjust because they look cooler ^^
Im not gonna play some f*ggiepants spearthrower hehe (Probably I will, but not @ start)

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

21 Sep 2006 at 16:52 - 27

My favourite is the dervish. Its the kind of melee/spellcaster combo i've been waiting for. However, I will also be using a paragon since I enjoy the support role.

icedragon981

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

At my computer

Teh Nine [lll]

N/

21 Sep 2006 at 16:56 - 28

First thing I'm doing when I get Nightfall: Making a Paragon. =)

lightblade

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Etereal Guard

Me/Mo

21 Sep 2006 at 21:39 - 29

Neither! I will stick with my mesmer all the way! =D

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

21 Sep 2006 at 21:49 - 30

Dervishes are going to *so* be the Assassins of Nightfall. I can just see the newbies spamming "I'm using Avatar of X!" and running around in Avatar form now.

Give any class a big flashy ability like that and the kiddies have to flock to it.

Peace,
-CxE

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

21 Sep 2006 at 21:56 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

Dervishes are going to *so* be the Assassins of Nightfall. I can just see the newbies spamming "I'm using Avatar of X!" and running around in Avatar form now.

Give any class a big flashy ability like that and the kiddies have to flock to it.

Peace,
-CxE

I can see this happening unfortunately. Great profession ruined by the idiots.

luxor9

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

W/N

21 Sep 2006 at 22:05 - 32

Guess I'm the only one without a character slot. They won't give us an extra slot for the weekend will they?

My only option to try out this weekend is delete my mesmer D;

Nestaron

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Glasgow, Scotland

Banished Dragons

A/

21 Sep 2006 at 22:06 - 33

Last week i was totally for Dervish as the style i've longed for... Scythes, hooded cloaks ahmagawdz! But the more i think about it i'm really intrested in playing Paragon... I reckon i'll just have to make both

Horuku

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Colorado

Eva Champloo [EvaC]

W/Mo

21 Sep 2006 at 23:01 - 34

Dervish, while fun, is something every noob and their mom is going to play. I hate to play what everyone else is playing though. I've already unlocked all the elite skills, runes to superior, and several weapon mods for Dervish though. Paragon requires a lot of multitasking, which means that people that play them will generally be the non-noobs. Everyone says Dervish is the new Wammo, but Wammo isn't even a bad combination in the right hands.

Personally, I'm concerned about Dervish's ability to gain HP/Energy with enchant removal. They do comparable damage to a Sin, gain Hp/Energy back like crazy, have AoE Enchants, and their defense isn't based around running away. For a sin, if you stay to attack a target you are dead, plain and simple. They need to give sin the same loving that Dervish obviously got.

When Nightfall comes out I will more than likely play my Warrior through the first time, just because he was the first charecter I made on prophecies a year ago. Dervish and Paragon sound fun, but I'd rather let the noobs get through with them before I give em a go again. It was a bit sick to see full Dervish teams in pvp as well....

Tozen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

All Senses Failed [aSF]

A/N

22 Sep 2006 at 01:54 - 35

Dervish just looks like a fun class. I don't know how practical it's going to be for serious PvP (as their avatar powers have such long cooldowns)

Paragon, on the other hand, is probably going to be included in every HoH build from this point forward. Will it be fun to play in PvE though? I'm hoping so, because in case you haven't guessed, this is the guy I'll be making

I'm probably just going to stick with my assassin as far as melee classes go. I don't like being spread thin.

Seraphis

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

Cape Town, South Africa

Grenth Gaming Inc [GG]

R/

22 Sep 2006 at 08:52 - 36

Dervish might come out as overpowered at first and probably very easy to play too with all their powerful spam skills. Paragons on the other hand seem to be the choice for players seeking something different in a profession, not just another high damage, easy to use profession. I'd go paragon on condition that the rest of their armour looks a hundred times better than the armour we've seen...

akh

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Europe

FTW

A/E

22 Sep 2006 at 09:20 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seraphis

Dervish might come out as overpowered at first and probably very easy to play too with all their powerful spam skills. Paragons on the other hand seem to be the choice for players seeking something different in a profession, not just another high damage, easy to use profession. I'd go paragon on condition that the rest of their armour looks a hundred times better than the armour we've seen...

well, radiant armor does look good imo
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:A...Undye_Full.jpg

llsektorll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Canada

R/

22 Sep 2006 at 09:22 - 38

as for gvg tactics i would have to go with the paragon ^_^

Nightsear

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2006

23 Sep 2006 at 00:44 - 39

Paragon, the default female face is so beautiful that it rivials my warrior's...and I like the hairstyles.

Matix411

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Ontario

23 Sep 2006 at 01:46 - 40

Dervish = PvE
Paragon = PvP
Already stated many times, but whatever. And that's only from what I've experienced playing both profs thus far. For all I know there could be brilliant Paragon builds out there that are well suited for PvE play.

If I had to pick one in general, I'd say Dervish, but I LOVE the Paragon armor.