IB nerf, is it really that big a deal
PrismOfRedLight
is reducing IB damage from +35 to +21 at 16 hm a big deal
Poison Ivy
It is, since Swift Chop didn't get nurfed along with it.
PrismOfRedLight
hmmmm wonder if hammers will still use IB or come up with some other build
i didnt see swift chop that strong anyways
i didnt see swift chop that strong anyways
Munanko Roha
This nerf was intended to nerf bunny thumpers obviously, but the problem is it nerfed my poor hammer war too! 
PrismOfRedLight
ya i kinda figured it was intended towards da bunny humpers...oh i mean thumpers, ya thats what i meant but it did some bad against the average hammer warr too
Poison Ivy
I kinda hated the fact they nurfed Thumpers though...
Just what the hell does Anet have against them.
Just what the hell does Anet have against them.
dgb
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I kinda hated the fact they nurfed Thumpers though...
Just what the hell does Anet have against them. The fact that they were ridiculously powerful?
Just what the hell does Anet have against them. The fact that they were ridiculously powerful?
Amity and Truth
Are we playing the same game?
Poison Ivy
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The fact that they were ridiculously powerful?
Pretty much the same as Warriors, except they use a weapon from their Secondary. So?
dgb
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Pretty much the same as Warriors, except they use a weapon from their Secondary. So?
Uh, no. No warrior could spam IB and be in a constant IAS while every 5s having a pet do a +80 attack.
twicky_kid
Personally I don't like the change. It hurt war primaries while ignoring the underlined problem: expertise
There has to be a point when expertise has to be changed instead of nerfing skills for other classes.
Thumpers wouldn't even be viable if expertise did not affect 2nd profession skills. Or, lower the percentage for 2nd profession skills.
Anet has nefed the thumper 3 times and its still stronger than a hammer war.
There has to be a point when expertise has to be changed instead of nerfing skills for other classes.
Thumpers wouldn't even be viable if expertise did not affect 2nd profession skills. Or, lower the percentage for 2nd profession skills.
Anet has nefed the thumper 3 times and its still stronger than a hammer war.
Munanko Roha
Bunny thumpers pressure, hammer warrior spike (once in a lifetime, but spike).
IB was the best skill for Hammer Warriors against Boon Prot...
IB was the best skill for Hammer Warriors against Boon Prot...
Demesis
Insted of nerfing the touch rangers, they nerfed thumpers... What a shame.
Evilsod
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Oh and a warrior could be in constant IAS AND spam IB AND have a pet doing +80 damage. Frenzy/IWAY, Zealous Weapon and the pet obviously... so whats your point? Its just not practical.
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Personally I don't like the change. It hurt war primaries while ignoring the underlined problem: expertise
Nerf the rangers primary stat and people quit, its that simple. If it affected spells we'd have a problem, but it doesn't and thats the way it is. Just because IB can cost 3 energy instead of 5 doesn't make it overpowered.
twicky_kid
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
Nerf the rangers primary stat and people quit, its that simple. If it affected spells we'd have a problem, but it doesn't and thats the way it is. Just because IB can cost 3 energy instead of 5 doesn't make it overpowered.
Just lower it to 2% on 2nd class instead of 3%. That keeps it very balanced for primary rangers. It would change the energy cost by 1-2 points on 2nd class. It will not kill expertise all together just tone it down a bit.
Rera
A thumper is better pressure than a hammer warrior. Constant Tiger's Fury + IB spam + pet is ridiculous. A warrior doesn't have the energy to do the same thing.
Danger Russ
To the question on whether nerfing IB was substantial for hammer users, the answer is yes. IB was the great hammer skill and easily the most used by hammer fighters. Hammer is not the first choice of PVE but I used it often and IB was the cornerstone of any damaging run. I usually begin and end with it. If they had simply toned down the damage then I would not be so pissed but they also added 50% more time to the recharge. I dont PVP but my ranger did run a lightning hammer build - It is powerful no doubt, but not like a 55 monk or 600 monk. Yeah, i can still run my build but at about 25% less damage. By the way, lightning hammer means you use a knockdown skill, the skill "on your knee", to constantly renew lightning reflexes.
Sorn Xarann
Ok people are saying how thumpers are over powered, w/e the question is, when the hell are the touchers gonna get nerfed?
Rera
You have to be either blind, stupid, or brave to post the exact same thing that someone else got flamed for not a dozen posts above your own.
Touch rangers aren't going to be nerfed, because they're not overpowered. Ever wonder why you never see touch rangers in HA? In GvG? It's a gimmick that works in RA and AB because teams there often don't have reliable sources of healing, and 99% of the players in those instances are idiots. The fact that so many people complain about touch rangers so loudly only proves the fact that most of you are totally incompetent.
Xaero Gouki Kriegor
mesmer prebuild, can easily kill a touch ranger if your really that worried, and aside the point of IB being nerfed, i never used IB before in my hammer builds anyway, i found much more useful skills instead, all that nerf did was make me laugh, i hate thumpers and axe wars, and guess what happens? lol they take them both out, Hoorah Anet! sides 16 hammer is nicer to me, i like that damage spike, and if i really wanted to pressure i would just go with sword and dragon slash, and sides whats the piont in a smooshiesh char like ranger out there tanking? of course he can probaly tank inside the guild hut but only 1 bodyguard now, but if bashed in teh skulls of a few not soo smart thumpers before, because they though they could tank, and i love watching rangers die, almost as much as killing a monk
PrismOfRedLight
well alot of people (including myself like playing fun builds) which doesnt usually pack an anti toucher skill, however there are less of them now it seems
anyways back on topic, remember this is about IB not toucher noobs
sgtclarity
This skill is still great and performs it's function fine.
Mera Regila
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You have to be either blind, stupid, or brave to post the exact same thing that someone else got flamed for not a dozen posts above your own.
Touch rangers aren't going to be nerfed, because they're not overpowered. Ever wonder why you never see touch rangers in HA? In GvG? It's a gimmick that works in RA and AB because teams there often don't have reliable sources of healing, and 99% of the players in those instances are idiots. The fact that so many people complain about touch rangers so loudly only proves the fact that most of you are totally incompetent. I agree with you for the most part on the touch rangers. Since when is Evilsod flaming anybody a big deal to anyone? I find he does it alot.
twicky_kid
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Originally Posted by Xaero Gouki Kriegor
mesmer prebuild, can easily kill a touch ranger if your really that worried, and aside the point of IB being nerfed, i never used IB before in my hammer builds anyway, i found much more useful skills instead, all that nerf did was make me laugh, i hate thumpers and axe wars, and guess what happens? lol they take them both out, Hoorah Anet! sides 16 hammer is nicer to me, i like that damage spike, and if i really wanted to pressure i would just go with sword and dragon slash, and sides whats the piont in a smooshiesh char like ranger out there tanking? of course he can probaly tank inside the guild hut but only 1 bodyguard now, but if bashed in teh skulls of a few not soo smart thumpers before, because they though they could tank, and i love watching rangers die, almost as much as killing a monk
I think you missed the point of a thumper entirely. They are pure KD with heavy pressure. They can output more dmg than a hammer war and KD more often.
Rangers have the best armor on the game so the tank argument is moot. War tanks die w/o healing too. So does every other class on the game. Simply saying tank inside the base shows how little GvG knowledge you have. Tank is not a term used in pvp. Btw the english language has these things called periods. Try using some plz.
Carth`
I think bunny thumpers are still great after the nerf. Toe to toe with assassins, sword warriors, axe warriors, and hammer warriors, or any caster, and my bunny thumper wins every time. Yes, the nerfs are annoying for the poor hammer warriors though.
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