CoP change

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

Modified the skill Contemplation of Purity so that the number of removed Hexes and Conditions is determined by your Divine Favor attribute.

This now links the condition and hex removal to your divine attribute. Which means dervish can still use it for e managment and huge life boost.

Why didn't they just link the enchant removal to divine favor? That would limit 1 enchantment from being removed fixing the problem of mystism abuse.

Guess they know something I don't.

Btw thanx for the henchies.

Omnidragon42

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Pantheon of Shadows [dei]

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The removal of all enchantments is its drawback. In most scenarios, only stripping the top enchant with 0 DF would be better (IMHO)

iam133b

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

well when it came to the dervish cop was overpowered allowing to strip all their enchantments sending out huge amounts of aoe damage and gaining alot of health and energy in the process good thing they changed it

-Loki-

-Loki-

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Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by iam133b
well when it came to the dervish cop was overpowered allowing to strip all their enchantments sending out huge amounts of aoe damage and gaining alot of health and energy in the process good thing they changed it
Unfortunately, the change doesn't effec the D/Mo. You still lose all of your enchantments. So the D/Mo can still use CoP to strip all of it's enchants and send out all that damage and get all that health. Unless there's been a change to Mysticism, this did very little to stopping Dway.

Omnidragon42

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Join Date: Oct 2005

Pantheon of Shadows [dei]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by -Loki-
Unfortunately, the change doesn't effec the D/Mo. You still lose all of your enchantments. So the D/Mo can still use CoP to strip all of it's enchants and send out all that damage and get all that health. Unless there's been a change to Mysticism, this did very little to stopping Dway.
I just hope they lowered the damage on those skills, that'd go a long way towards fixing it.

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnidragon42
I just hope they lowered the damage on those skills, that'd go a long way towards fixing it.
They need to increase the recharge and lower the dmg slightly. When I say slightly maybe 10 dmg.

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

if dervish have enchantents maby change it to derv enchnas only

Vermilion Okeanos

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Join Date: Feb 2005

Well, we have to see if dervish primary attribute are the same or not.

In my opinion, this is more of a nerf toward monk than dervish.

HolyHawk

HolyHawk

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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I might be confused, but at 0 divine favor, it removes 1 enchant and condition, and heals nothing. This is some balance towards the D/Mo, isn't it? Also, it won't hurt the monk, since booners have high divine favor.

LightningHell

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Join Date: Aug 2005

Hong Kong

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HolyHawk
I might be confused, but at 0 divine favor, it removes 1 enchant and condition, and heals nothing. This is some balance towards the D/Mo, isn't it? Also, it won't hurt the monk, since booners have high divine favor.
No, it still removes all enchantments, but the number of hexes/conditions removed are dependant on how many enchantments removed AND your Divine Favor attribute now.

Mysterial

Mysterial

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Join Date: Aug 2005

Servants of Fortuna

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Changing CoP to not remove all enchantments wouldn't do anything - there are other skills in the game that have that effect, they'd have to change all of them. The idea is that now Dervishes using it won't be immune to hexes and conditions like they were before.

Alleji

Alleji

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Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mysterial
Changing CoP to not remove all enchantments wouldn't do anything - there are other skills in the game that have that effect, they'd have to change all of them. The idea is that now Dervishes using it won't be immune to hexes and conditions like they were before.
Other skills? Like... ether prodigy?

I don't see too many "other skills" that let you drop all enchantments instantly.

And I guess they nerfed Dway's condition removal so VIM has a chance against it. Anet loves IWAY/VIM.

JR

JR

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleji
Other skills? Like... ether prodigy?

I don't see too many "other skills" that let you drop all enchantments instantly.
Release Enchantments.

Stemnin

Stemnin

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Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/Me

What if CoP would only remove monk enchants..?

Mercury Angel

Mercury Angel

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Join Date: Apr 2005

Wandering my own road.

A huge part of the D/Mo build was that it had crazy resilience to hexes and conditions, making it difficult to really DO anything to them, beyond spiking/DPSing them out. This will go a ways towards helping. Anyone simply has to use a single condition/cover hex to keep their money debuffs on.

And as JR- pointed out, CoP is by no means the only enchant stripper. It's the fastest, at 1/4th second, but it doesn't have the shortest recharge. If all people wanted was an enchant removal, there ARE other options.


Though, if the PbAoE build isn't too badly nerfed, I doubt people will stop using CoP. It's fast, for precision enchant loss, so you can ensure the "When ~this~ enchantment ends" effects hit your targets.

Paperfly

Paperfly

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Don't forget that Dervishes themselves have a boatload of ways to remove their own enchantments - Mystic Sandstorm and Winds of Disenchantment remove them all, and lots of other skills remove a single one.

...In other words, the ability to shrug off your enchants to get the mysticism/enchant-end bonii is an intended part of the class and presumably won't be eliminated entirely. This nerf was to remove the added benefits CoP provided.

And to make Pious Restoration suffer less from the comparison.

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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CoP is still better than Pious restoration because its a skill with 1/4 cast. Pious can be interrupted and is a spell.