Nightfall Conquers Cantha and Prophecies? - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

fleshvirus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Swe

W/R

24 Sep 2006 at 02:26 - 1

The AI Improvement.
350 New Cool skills that are there waiting for us.
A whole new Cool Storyline.
Beating Music During Combats ( witch whe Love )
Costemizing your heroes ( love it ! )
a new Cool villian.
Smoothened Invoriments and Behavior that some monsters have.
Two new Proffessions that makes the gameplay Even more interesting.
New Challanges like never before.

well people? is it the best of the 3 so far ?

*cough* cmon you know it is

maedrarle

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Deicidal Tendencies

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24 Sep 2006 at 02:27 - 2

I agree. :P

I'm quite satisfied with Nightfall so far. Having completed 100% of the Island I'm giving it thumbs up. Can't wait to see the mainland!

Minus Sign

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/N

24 Sep 2006 at 02:41 - 3

Too early to say really. All we've seen is the newb island and skill lists.

If I had to choose on what I've seen so far, I'd take prophecies. I don't like this locked door rumor buzzing all over the place. Forced farming to advance quests can be annoying as well. More content in the first too.

Anet is learning from its mistakes where PvE is concerned. Much better voice acting this time around, improvments in the graphics (if not the faces; thats a matter of opinion), the plot of the story appears much improved, etc. UI is unwieldy but much improved over what was there before.

I'm glad to see that the game can adapt and remain hearty. I like the new proffesions and hope they'll breathe new life into Arenas as Rit and (to an extent) sin did. On a whole, I think Nightfall will be a very nice expansion on the original campaign.

coldplay

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Join Date: Aug 2005

NYC

Daoine Sidhe

24 Sep 2006 at 02:45 - 4

no. GWP will always be the best of the series.

fleshvirus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Swe

W/R

24 Sep 2006 at 02:54 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldplay

no. GWP will always be the best of the series.

sorry i have to disagree. Because the skills Nightfall offers Can totaly Set your PVP or PVE into new expiriance.

You must think that Prophecies is the best cause it is huge ? well dont whe all

icedragon981

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

At my computer

Teh Nine [lll]

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24 Sep 2006 at 02:56 - 6

Nightfall has been cool and all but Prophecies will always be my favorite.

Ganik Thress

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24 Sep 2006 at 02:57 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldplay

no. GWP will always be the best of the series.

He must know, he MUST have played through all of Nightfall.

TGgold

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Flying Gophers

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24 Sep 2006 at 03:04 - 8

I'm pretty happy with Nightfall overall so far. I love the hench controls, I *always* have my monks controls out in case I need an emergency heal. It's great

I'm trying to skip the story but get used to the gameplay, I want to save the story for later. But, the graphics are better, and I think the gameplay is more creative. I have done no farming, and getting my titles isn't a challenge at all, just make sure you always talk to the guards near the shrines.

One thing though:
I HATE the dervish hero. the skills she starts with are *painful* as in, inefficient. She made beating Diggings a pain. I just got a friend to play as his dervish and take his actually useful dercish hero.

Also, I think that the PvP unlock packs are going to get a LOT more popular seeing as how the heroes skill sets work.

fleshvirus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Swe

W/R

24 Sep 2006 at 03:09 - 9

since i have Allmost all Prophecies Skills and well every Faction skills.. ive ben experimenting with Koss

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

24 Sep 2006 at 03:41 - 10

"Also, I think that the PvP unlock packs are going to get a LOT more popular seeing as how the heroes skill sets work."

Ha ha, I've been irritated this whole time that the warrior hero has quite a few elites (in fact, all the ones I like to use) and the Monk hero - who is obviously a healer - only had smiting elites. I can not stand playing a healer so I never capped any healing elites, or even bothered to unlock any healing skills outside the ones I got through quests.

I wonder if it will stay this way. Nothing like a level 2 warrior with a full line of elites. I suspect that somthing else will be done, but I'm fine with it the way it is. The newb isle goes by pretty quickly and after that it doesn't really matter.

For those of us who will not purcahse skills it also changes the way we view unlocks. I never cared one way about them before, I do not PvP. This makes unlocks interesting/useful for PvE also. If this stays I would like rune and modifier unlocks to work similar also, but I suppose the way it works now is OK though.

unmatchedfury

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Cookie Cutter [FTW]

24 Sep 2006 at 03:52 - 11

I know you'll hate me for it, but as far as phrophcies is concerned i found it boring. I got into it with my rit and have gotten about to teh infusion quests.

Its alot of running and killing monsters. not that thats bad its just... prophices doesnt really have the feel i liek in factions. I still like running around in nub isle helping peopel do quests for money,

Sephiroth Istari

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

24 Sep 2006 at 03:56 - 12

I haven't experienced much of Nightfall at all, but I what I see so far better than Factions. Prophecies is still my favorite, but I need to see much more of Nightfall's gameplay to draw better conclusions.

Reiden Argrock

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Arizona

Shadowstorm Mercenaries

24 Sep 2006 at 04:04 - 13

I think it's A-net has outdone themselves. I loved prophecies, enjoyed factions for the first few weeks alot, then gotta kind of bored but still like parts of it. Nightfall is great so far, and it's only the starter island. At times I even forget what lvl I am because of how engrossing the game is. Specially like the bog. Puts magumma jungle to shame.. oh to shame

KANE OG

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24 Sep 2006 at 04:27 - 14

Conquers Cantha.. yes. Prophecies? No freakin way.

Knightsaber Sith

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24 Sep 2006 at 04:29 - 15

Well it's only common sense that the newest campaign would have the best features such as the skill templates and the new hero system. But on the basis of what we know of the plot line; I'd have to say Prophecies is the winner.

Shadowfox1125

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PST

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24 Sep 2006 at 04:38 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by fleshvirus

The AI Improvement.
350 New Cool skills that are there waiting for us.
Beating Music During Combats
a new Cool villian.
Smoothened Environments and Behavior that some monsters have.
New Challenges like never before.

Corrected some spelling errors. (Pet Peeve)
All of the what I've posted above should be invalid in your decision to choose NF over Factions or Prophecies. It's a new game; Anet has to add new features or the gameplay would be stale. Prophecies is still my favorite after this weekend. But I liked Factions for the fast leveling, but that's just me..

Omega X

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

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24 Sep 2006 at 04:40 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

But on the basis of what we know of the plot line; I'd have to say Prophecies is the winner.

The plot line looks better in Nightfall than Prophecies.

Nightfall completely dominates Factions so far. And that is the newb island alone. I also believe Nightfall edges out Prophecies so far, right down to the storyline. Though there is nothing like pre sear Tyria.

I will have to see more to make a permanent decision on Chapter 1 vs Chapter 3. But its looking very promising.

Lord Palidore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

24 Sep 2006 at 04:40 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by fleshvirus

The AI Improvement.
350 New Cool skills that are there waiting for us.
A whole new Cool Storyline.
Beating Music During Combats ( witch whe Love )
Costemizing your heroes ( love it ! )
a new Cool villian.
Smoothened Invoriments and Behavior that some monsters have.
Two new Proffessions that makes the gameplay Even more interesting.
New Challanges like never before.

well people? is it the best of the 3 so far ?

*cough* cmon you know it is

1) Falls in with Heroes, but in terms of AI, Factions introduced new monster AI, and the newest AI update is for henchmen/heroes, which is an update for all chapters it seems. So not Nightfall specific.
2) Cantha + Tyria both had their own original skills.
3) They also both had their own storyline.
4) New.
5) New.
6) Falls in with new storyline, but either way, both chapters had their own villains.
7) As far as monster AI and graphics go, all the chapters were made using the same engine.
8) Prophecies has the core professions, and Factions had 2 new professions as well.
9) Prophecies as for challenges introduced HA, GvG, Arenas. Faction introduced challenge missions, competitive missions, and AB. As for Cantha, new challenges = ..Puzzle/Traps in missions?

So basically, they all had their typical and generic new chapter stuff, and original stuff too.

All in all, I do think Nightfall is shaping up well. Better than Factions- probably, as Factions, although ok, was in the bigger picture more of a disaster. Better than Prophecies- much too soon to tell from the preview.

Quote:

The plot line looks better in Nightfall than Prophecies.

If it wasn't for Prophecies storyline (which I really enjoyed), there wouldn't be a Nightfall storyline lol

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Insuscient Ranger

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Join Date: Jul 2006

Pluto-We miss you

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24 Sep 2006 at 04:41 - 19

Nightfall is up there so far with prophesis. it OWNS factions like no other.

I like it Also after completing N()()B island.

Fluffyx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Courtney PantsuLand

Death By Teazu [TEA]

W/Mo

24 Sep 2006 at 05:38 - 20

Factions left a lot to be desired, so comparing it to an actual good game is like comparing icecream to crap. :x Yes, factions was terrible I'm sorry it really was.
But Nightfall looks very nice from what I see. The one thing thats bothering me now is just that we now have to talk to people to do the missions, but hey its better then having locked doors.

Tobias Funke

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Following of Xanthar

Me/N

24 Sep 2006 at 06:05 - 21

So far the Nightfall story line puts both Factions and Prophecies to shame. It not even close. It is coherant, the characters actually have personalities and the voice acting doesn't make you laugh out loud (give me a T, give me an O...). Prophecies had too many loose ends story wise and drove me nuts. Factions story was too simplistic and predictable/boring. Nightfall has an epic quality to it so far that is simply non-existant in the other two.

Two complaints though...
1) Heroes need a way for you to program how they use their skills, not just what skills they have. It is simply impossible to manage 4 hereos in battle on the fly. I set up Acolyte Jin to be a barrage/judges insight ranger. In battle, however, she kept casting judges insight on ME rather then herself, despite the fact that I had heart of holy flame going at all times. Annnoying to no ends.
2) Koss is clearly Mr. T. For gods sake give him a mohawk and have him begin every phrase with 'I piddy da foo".

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

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24 Sep 2006 at 06:18 - 22

I agree with most posters here, factions was really terrible and should not be compared at all to GWN and GWP. Hopefully all future expansions will be of equal or even better quality of Nighfall.

Safer Saviour

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

24 Sep 2006 at 07:05 - 23

Factions wasn't that bad, it was flawed sure but I actually like some of the new features/places and love a lot of the armour there. In truth, Nightfall seems to have only improved the voice acing, music and heroes. It still has all the bad things about Factions, like locked doors and having to buy all your skills for every character, and I hope they fix that before release.

fleshvirus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Swe

W/R

24 Sep 2006 at 09:24 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safer Saviour

Factions wasn't that bad, it was flawed sure but I actually like some of the new features/places and love a lot of the armour there. In truth, Nightfall seems to have only improved the voice acing, music and heroes. It still has all the bad things about Factions, like locked doors and having to buy all your skills for every character, and I hope they fix that before release.

Indeed. Factions had the best looking armor so far. But i think Nightfalls armor is quite More Real. I mean it looks Faschinating. And the Outfits and Face's. Factions even had two Interesting Proffessions sutch as the irritating Assasin and the very sexy ritualist

Asmodeus The Hunter

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

The Mentalists (THPK)

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24 Sep 2006 at 10:43 - 25

A point of the hero screens means that people might start to realise that henchies have energy problems too

Maybe give THEM a chance to regen or something?

Loralai

Purveyor of Useless Info

Join Date: Oct 2005

Perpetual Motion Squad [PMS]

Mo/

24 Sep 2006 at 11:30 - 26

Way way too early to make an educated determination on this issue. Beginner's island is never where I make my conclusions on how the gameplay is, and regardless of new flashy things, like Hero AI, skill templates, what have you, my main concern is and will always be gameplay. So no determination as of yet.

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Me

24 Sep 2006 at 11:36 - 27

I'm going to wait and see. The starter island is not enough to say if the whole game will be better. Mind you, Factions wasn't all that great anyway.

I like so far it somehow feels bigger and more open than Factions. Will it match up to Prophecies though? Doubtful, that one was a classic imho and had more years work on it.

I personally don't like how EVERYONE and their grandmother is in a team of henchies and heroes. Reading many of the posts here I guess I'm in a minority when I play online multiplayer games for the purpose of teamplay with other players. If it ends up like this in the whole game and months later everyone is still in hench/AI teams, I fear that will be the end of GW for me. The multiplayer aspect is what I play online games for. AI/bots can be found plenty in singleplayer offline games.

Da Cebuano

Desert Nomad

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24 Sep 2006 at 11:38 - 28

Prophecies will always be the best because it was the first game and it had the most content and the best "free style" gameplay where you aren't forced to do anything, but you can do everything. GWP map being huge is a bonus, its like both cantha and NF mixed + a little bit more topping. The huge map allows for some exploration and the non linear gameplay of you not having to force your way through the entire game, I wish Anet would realize that, I bet they already do, but because of the 6 months cycle, shorter games will have to last longer, probly why the locked doors w/ or w/o any barriers are there. Also, prophecies lasted a whole year and kept more people ingame longer than Factions and will probly be able to claim the same when NF comes out.

Ithil Tior

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/Me

24 Sep 2006 at 12:22 - 29

I'm having more fun on the Nightfall starter island than I had in the entire Factions campaign.

Pessimistic Daydream

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

24 Sep 2006 at 13:31 - 30

First thing first.. I agree that NF > Factions... I really didn't like factions at all. To me factions was rushing you constantly.. from the super fast leveling (which kept me from making a char there that made it past level 10 because I hated the starter island) to the One-way-only game play... I just didn't like it. And honestly, yeah I had more fun playing the beginner island of Nightfall than I did the entire game of Factions.

That being said, I think people are grouping with hench and heros this weekend to test them, see how they work, get a feel for how well the AI was upgraded and what the limits on the heros are and such. I also think that once the game comes out, there will be people who just do that, group with heros and hench and GO GO GO!

But there will also be people who would rather group with other people to do things, at least the first couple times around.

As far as NF > Proph... I dunno, I do like the feel of Nightfall better so far, but like people have said that -was- just the starter island... and though I loved it and it made me decide that I am getting Nightfall for sure when I was doubting it... I'm still reserving judgement on the overall game of Nightfall until I play through it once or four times

fleshvirus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Swe

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24 Sep 2006 at 14:04 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asmodeus The Hunter

A point of the hero screens means that people might start to realise that henchies have energy problems too

Maybe give THEM a chance to regen or something?

And all these Years ive ben calling the healer henches for retards *sigh*

fleshvirus

Frost Gate Guardian

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Swe

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24 Sep 2006 at 14:13 - 32

[QUOTE=Pessimistic Daydream]First thing first.. I agree that NF > Factions... I really didn't like factions at all. To me factions was rushing you constantly.. from the super fast leveling (which kept me from making a char there that made it past level 10 because I hated the starter island) to the One-way-only game play... I just didn't like it. And honestly, yeah I had more fun playing the beginner island of Nightfall than I did the entire game of Factions.

That being said, I think people are grouping with hench and heros this weekend to test them, see how they work, get a feel for how well the AI was upgraded and what the limits on the heros are and such. I also think that once the game comes out, there will be people who just do that, group with heros and hench and GO GO GO!

But there will also be people who would rather group with other people to do things, at least the first couple times around.

heres a quick Difference betwen henches,heroes and Players.

Henches are still Mindless and they follow orders this time. But that doesnt mean that they will Replace Human Players that Can plan and speak and even Help allot more.

Heroes Cant Use all skills properly but they are good for support. Human players will allways be better cause Heroes or henches cant Help you with a Very hard Elite mission or challange.

See? Humans have a brain and everything else is a freaking Program

led-zep

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

24 Sep 2006 at 14:26 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ganik Thress

He must know, he MUST have played through all of Nightfall.

well mr sarcastic i tend to agree with him, prophecies imo is better than nightfall and that comparing the game mechanics and pre experience of both games. it had an atmosphere in game that hasnt been there in factions and from the preview i dont think will be in nightfall, all i see is people in groups of hench and/or heroes, there is very little human interaction.

prophecies was a great game which was fun to play and you could go through as fast or as slow as you liked, it was entirely up to you

and yes i am one of those people who after making my 4th/5th/6th character i pretty much skipped the first missions til the desert because the choice was there to do so

even in nightfall you have to earn rank before certain quests open so the freedom isnt there and the less said about factions the better.

Electric Sky

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

24 Sep 2006 at 14:27 - 34

Nightfall > Factions

Pessimistic Daydream

Ascalonian Squire

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24 Sep 2006 at 15:31 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by fleshvirus

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Heroes Cant Use all skills properly but they are good for support. Human players will allways be better cause Heroes or henches cant Help you with a Very hard Elite mission or challange.

See? Humans have a brain and everything else is a freaking Program

Lol.. Okay, I beg to differ that Heros wouldn't be a better option than about 1/2 the GW players on very hard missions.... because about 1/2 the people who play that I've ran into really don't know what they're doing. There are several perks to the heros...
1 They don't think they know everything
2 They don't go "pull" while your monks have no energy at all (And if they try you can tell them to get back and they actually obey!).
3 They play most builds quite well, or most builds I set them up with. (Note: I chose to play a monk, but I did smite for a bit to test the monk heros out) My only complaint about any of the Heros skill use choices is that I had the monk smiting with Sig of Judgement and Sig of Rage, but they would sometimes just not use them when they could.
4 If you have to AFK for a couple mins, they don't freak out and get mad.
5 YOU can choose their builds
And 6 Best of all... if you mess up, they promise not to call you a noob! <3

I'm not going to be playing with purely heros and hench, but if I find something like Nahpui (had an EVIL time with that mission on my ranger) in Nightfall.. you can bet after the first PUG messes it up, I'll go straight for the Heros and fill the rest with hench.

Sheriff

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

Heroic Order of Tyria

R/W

24 Sep 2006 at 16:58 - 36

Even though Nightfall is looking really good, judging from the size of the world it will be once again a smaller experience than GWP.

Also, GWN is linear again, Factions style. I don't want to have to do n00b island with all my chars. Where's the option? Nowhere. You just can't be "run" out of the island

In terms of linearity, sorry but I still haven't seen any advantage of GWN over GWF, and GWP is still miles, leagues ahead

Random Nonsense

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Illicit Awakening [iA]

Mo/Me

24 Sep 2006 at 17:35 - 37

Just when I quit the game EVERYONE is saying NF is awesome? Looks like Factions sucked so much they had to make their next expansion "awesome" to get their old players to come back.

Mr_eX

Frost Gate Guardian

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N/Me

24 Sep 2006 at 17:54 - 38

Yes, let's all form our opinions of Nightfall based on a beta preview weekend before the game actually comes out.

AlienFromBeyond

Jungle Guide

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Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

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24 Sep 2006 at 18:27 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega X

Though there is nothing like pre sear Tyria.

I don't think there will ever be something like Presear Ascalon again in GW. In terms of looks it easily beats out every other place.

TsunamiZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

24 Sep 2006 at 18:31 - 40

nightfall's character appearance customization is still meager like factions' was

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10049147