[Possible Spoiler] Who is the outcast God?
TheMadKingGeorge
There Are Picturs on Gw.com of The Rift Ghostly heros talk about and htis is where all the dark forces come from
Avarre
The Rift is the hub of the multiverse, it's more likely dark forces come from another plane, through the Rift as it's a point of access to all other planes.
Rallick
Avarre, I just think you overly simplifying it all. Remember, charr did not only worship titans (which are fiery only in one form) but also the mursat (you can see stick effigies representing them on the charr controlled lands)
I find it a bit strange, as these two ware opposing factions, but it does suggest that they both are connected to charr history. And I doubt its as simple as “saw beings of fire, and worshipped them”.
Also do not forget the searing, this wasn’t your typical charr magic, and I would like to have some explanation about what exactly did charr summon that day (there is something disturbing about these crystals), it might even be connected to the outcast got, but I doubt that.
I find it a bit strange, as these two ware opposing factions, but it does suggest that they both are connected to charr history. And I doubt its as simple as “saw beings of fire, and worshipped them”.
Also do not forget the searing, this wasn’t your typical charr magic, and I would like to have some explanation about what exactly did charr summon that day (there is something disturbing about these crystals), it might even be connected to the outcast got, but I doubt that.
arcanemacabre
I'm still wondering where the Enchanted Armors from the Crystal Desert and the Mursaat constructs fit into all this... as in why are they so similar in appearence?
The Enchanted Armors are likely constructs of the Forgotten, and if there is any link, this would mean the Forgotten and the Mursaat are linked somehow, at least by a form of magic that can animate piles of rocks/armor.
A stretch, but what if they are all aspects of Glint? (the Mursaat and Forgotten)
The Enchanted Armors are likely constructs of the Forgotten, and if there is any link, this would mean the Forgotten and the Mursaat are linked somehow, at least by a form of magic that can animate piles of rocks/armor.
A stretch, but what if they are all aspects of Glint? (the Mursaat and Forgotten)
Avarre
Since the armor pieces that make up the Enchanted are virtually identical to Mursaat armor, I'm more partial to the theory that the Mursaat tried to find Glint, or a bloodstone, in the desert and simply didn't make it (or they were eradicated)... and the Forgotten animated the armor into the Enchanted.
Neriandal Freit
I've pondered that vaguely my self Avarre, for there are simliarties (misspell) which would be possible.
The only thing I dont like is how we aren't getting any other lore on a more regular basis...
The only thing I dont like is how we aren't getting any other lore on a more regular basis...
Giga Strike
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The door is powered by souls sacrificed to the keystone. It is not the door itself.
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but anyway, abaddon's mouth is the largest volcano in tyria, we know that, but you failed to mention that it was also the very volcano that the gods threw the bloodstones into to stop the races from destroying each other for power. over time there was a massive eruption, possibly caused by abaddon, which sent the bloodstones across tyria.
there are 4 bloodstones and the keystone, the keystone's location is unknown. but bloodstones have been found in the maguma jungle, the southern shiverpeaks, and at the base of the volcano. we can assume that one of the remaining pieces reaced elona and abaddon's followers plan on using it to free abaddon from his prison.
Karlos
I just want to note that we don't really know that Abaddon's Mouth is actually, you know, Abaddon's mouth... For all we know it could be the wrong side of Abaddon we're looking at. 
Solar_Takfar
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I just want to note that we don't really know that Abaddon's Mouth is actually, you know, Abaddon's mouth... For all we know it could be the wrong side of Abaddon we're looking at.
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Anyway. I'm kinda lost with all this stuff. Is there a timeline where GW events are registered? because afaik Prophs and Factions happen simultaneously (since your character can hop from one continent to the other and catch the events whiel they happen), so I'm thinking the same will apply to nightfall... will it?
Giga Strike
because the zaishen commander is the same one that you would find if you went to the zaishen elite area with any character and because jatoro musagi seems to be the same age as in factions we can assume that it will take place around the same time as prophecies and facitions. also that sunspear chick said that she was getting help from tyria and cantha so we can expect to see devona, cynn, mehnlo, aidan, eve, talon, panaku, argo, danika, proffesor gai......once we get to the main land.
Karlos
Yup, and everything is tied to the magic number... 200 years ago.
Omega X
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Or, more likely, it was called that because Abaddon's mouth would translate to the mouth of ruin. Abaddon as a name in chapter three likely wasn't conceptualized at that time.
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"Abaddon's Mouth is rumored to be the gateway into the Underworld. But only demons and devils would dare enter the fiery chasm. All other risk being burned to cinders before even getting to magma's edge."
Especially when you had someone like Lord Odran opening portals into the mists and then hiding them "by powerful wards and enchantments".
Giga Strike
so...what ur trying to say is...lord obran put a portal to the mists inside abaddon's mouth?
Eldred
LOL i checked the seer and kinda looks like margonite and about charr kinda weird that the searing they used shoot crystals that looked same as in glints cave
Giga Strike
so...ur saying that...glint gave the charr the power to start the searing?
R_A_M_Z_A
I think the charr attack crystals that were left over are from some sort of attack they used...
Something elemental
You know... like how Ice Shards leaves them laying around...
Something elemental
You know... like how Ice Shards leaves them laying around...
Omega X
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so...what ur trying to say is...lord obran put a portal to the mists inside abaddon's mouth?
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Anyway, what I'm saying that there is no bonafide proof that a portal does or does not exist there other than the description of the area.
Age
This is mentioned in the first chapter book about the old gods going to the be locked in the RoF.I would suggest reading the first chapters manuscripts.
=HT=Ingram
lol maybe its just Typical Tyrian Slang. you know" a bad en tis gonna git ya..."
abaddon lol get it. add a red neck drall and you get what I'm saying...
ahh nvm. I thought it was funny...
abaddon lol get it. add a red neck drall and you get what I'm saying...
ahh nvm. I thought it was funny...
Clawdius_Talonious
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Or, more likely, it was called that because Abaddon's mouth would translate to the mouth of ruin. Abaddon as a name in chapter three likely wasn't conceptualized at that time.
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If you are not a developer, you have no real way of knowing what you just typed.
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ValaOfTheFens
In the Left Behind book Apollyon there were these demon creatures who spoke but the only thing they said was Abaddon. Now that I think about it they were sorta like demon Pokemon. 
Kyrashti Dv
I dont know if it was just me, but when i first found out the sixth God's name, i was like that is just lame. The name isnt original i think they should have named him/her something better.
Now the other 5 Gods arent even there on the GW world, they left ages ago, and imo thers nothing stopping Abaddon from seizing the world and hence the apocolypse. We know that Abaddon's already been summoned and is coming forth, so how mere mortal heroes will go up against a God i dont know. It would be good if the other 5 God's actually came back. It would be good if we actually saw them as characters.
Finally, the EU pre-release pack had lore on the strategyguide that came on the disc. It has written in it:
"...Civilised nations recognise and revere the Five True Gods. But heretics speak of a sixth God...a fallen god. A thousand years ago, the spiritual ancestors of these heretics, the Margonites, fought an epic battle on the northernplains of Elona. The resulting carnage created a vast wasteland-the realm now known as the Crystal Desert.
Empowered by the blessings of their dark deity, the Margonites waged war against the followers of the Five Gods-smashing temples, desecrating shrines, and butchering ribals. Yet, despite the awesome power granted by horrific transformations, their army was annihilated: their false god exiled to a realm of torment." (taken from page six of the startegy guide)
Then on page 7 it shows a much much detailed picture of Abaddon as a statue/shrine. THen further on it shows a Head shot. So im not sure how many people saw this, but some people in this thread sound like they've only seen the picture of Abaddon posted previously on this thread (him holding the scythe). (I dont know how to upload the picture to post it)
Now the other 5 Gods arent even there on the GW world, they left ages ago, and imo thers nothing stopping Abaddon from seizing the world and hence the apocolypse. We know that Abaddon's already been summoned and is coming forth, so how mere mortal heroes will go up against a God i dont know. It would be good if the other 5 God's actually came back. It would be good if we actually saw them as characters.
Finally, the EU pre-release pack had lore on the strategyguide that came on the disc. It has written in it:
"...Civilised nations recognise and revere the Five True Gods. But heretics speak of a sixth God...a fallen god. A thousand years ago, the spiritual ancestors of these heretics, the Margonites, fought an epic battle on the northernplains of Elona. The resulting carnage created a vast wasteland-the realm now known as the Crystal Desert.
Empowered by the blessings of their dark deity, the Margonites waged war against the followers of the Five Gods-smashing temples, desecrating shrines, and butchering ribals. Yet, despite the awesome power granted by horrific transformations, their army was annihilated: their false god exiled to a realm of torment." (taken from page six of the startegy guide)
Then on page 7 it shows a much much detailed picture of Abaddon as a statue/shrine. THen further on it shows a Head shot. So im not sure how many people saw this, but some people in this thread sound like they've only seen the picture of Abaddon posted previously on this thread (him holding the scythe). (I dont know how to upload the picture to post it)
Knightsaber Sith
^ I posted that exact page a while ago; I'll try to find that thread.
Neriandal Freit
Well, like I like to believe, for the fifth game (I know, two away), we will be more with a deitic level. We're already in the process of it.
At least now, so far, we've learned that the Margonites where hertics and basically evil and against all the other gods but Abby.
Plus, that would also lead up to believe that Five Great Gods of the Lands are basically Neutral beings.
At least now, so far, we've learned that the Margonites where hertics and basically evil and against all the other gods but Abby.
Plus, that would also lead up to believe that Five Great Gods of the Lands are basically Neutral beings.
Knightsaber Sith
Finally found it >_< .
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=99
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=99
Omega X
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Actually since they've stated (in the PC gamer preview) that Jeff Grub expanded the Nightfall storyline to close the prior two chapters based on small snippets of GW lore, he's probably closer to the truth than you may realize.
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Neriandal Freit
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And the keyword is "Probably".
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Jeff Grub back in the late days and a snippet of time on, was close coworking friend with Ed Greenwood, creator of the Forgotten Realms when TSR owened the name of those books before Wizards of the Coast purchased it about six or seven years back (Sickening).
Jeff Grub has created alot of things we still know and love in the Realms, and I could be wrong, but his wife is equally good.
Now, with him, all of these stories do have aconnection, weather they will end at Chapter 3 or not it isn't for us to say, but, everyone will understand why Factions was the way it was, why Prophecies was the way it was, and how well of a climax we're all about to get.
gr3g
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Do any of you know who Jeff Grub is? Ok great, you dont.
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Neriandal Freit
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Turn your condescension down a couple notches and learn the correct spelling of Jeff Grubb's name.
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gr3g
Bah! Incorrigible.
lyra_song
Some might argue that destruction is part of the natural cycle of existence.
Maybe the 6th god is required for balance of the 5.
/heretic!!
Maybe the 6th god is required for balance of the 5.
/heretic!!
Knightsaber Sith
Like Kain; the scion of balance.
Rainman
im thinking that abaddon might have a connection with *the great dwarf*. it says he destroyed the great destroyer and banished his name but maybe some secret abaddon followers??
Stemnin
This whole thing reminds me of Anubis' return in Stargate and the defeat of the ga'ould by his hands.. 
. I just cant wait to find out what happens! For season 10 and Nightfall!
. I just cant wait to find out what happens! For season 10 and Nightfall!
Thomas.knbk
Well, doesn't the manual say all history of this god has been erased or something like that? Wouldn't it be WAY more logic if the new god is a totally new god, instead of Dhuum or Menzies or Abbadon?
Neriandal Freit
Now, it's quiet possible that Abbadon is decidely a new god if he takes the body of a mortal.
But, the essence of which is Abbadon (and that of which is Grenth, Dwayna, etc.) still is Abbadon.
But, the essence of which is Abbadon (and that of which is Grenth, Dwayna, etc.) still is Abbadon.
Knightsaber Sith
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Well, doesn't the manual say all history of this god has been erased or something like that? Wouldn't it be WAY more logic if the new god is a totally new god, instead of Dhuum or Menzies or Abbadon?
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Abaddon has already been confirmed as the god's name from quests during the pve preview. His name has never been mentioned before Nightfall (and Abaddon's Mouth doesn't count >_<) .
Solar Light
History is a hard thing to termenate, Hence the reference of Abaddons Mouth that remains, and other hints and snippets around the lands.
Urban_Nomad
Wait a minute:
Margonites worship Abaddon.
Margonites tried to ascend.
Margonites created the Crystal Desert in a great war.
Crystal Desert was mostly underwater when the Margonites came to it to ascend.
Something doesn't fit here.
Margonites worship Abaddon.
Margonites tried to ascend.
Margonites created the Crystal Desert in a great war.
Crystal Desert was mostly underwater when the Margonites came to it to ascend.
Something doesn't fit here.
Ecomancer
Could Abaddon (Dhuum) be manifest of all five gods? He is wielding a sythe reminiscent of a Dervish who can also become an avatar of a certain god. Perhaps Abaddon had the power of all the gods and thus this is why he was so destructive - perhaps the powers of all the gods combined makes chaos and this is why they are in seperate forms. If you want to go a bit further and have fun with speculation, perhaps Abaddon is the father of the five gods and thus encompasses all their powers, however, they didn't like this and overthrew him - sort of like Zeus overthrowing Chronus. Arenanet should really make a movie for Guild Wars 
They are doing it with Halo, why not Guild Wars?
Arenanet should really make a movie for Guild Wars They are doing it with Halo, why not Guild Wars?