Unfortunately, it seems GWN has locked gates in some towns again, and forced linearity to go through some missions/pass some areas.
To avoid having to go through starting island etc with each and every character, I thought of the possible solution:
Make the Sunspear title a "global" one (like Hero: affects all characters in the account). When it gets to, for example, Commander, you can travel to the main land right from the beginning (taking a boat at the docks at the first city).
How does that sound?
Locked gates again... possible compromise solution?
Sheriff
Shadowfox1125
The problem with making the Sunspear titles is that you'll have low level characters in high level areas, which Anet clearly does not want to have. But, how far are you? I haven't seen any closed gates.. and the one time that I did, I was allowed to go through the closed gates and enter the outpost.
Vicviper101
I tried to run to Black Tide Den with my new paragon to get the max armor, but it was closed. I don't mind too much, the quests/missions leading up to the later areas, which aren't that far away as it is, aren't as repetitive as the ones for factions. If you really wanted to, you could probably finish up most of the island in under an hour or two. 
Taurohtar
Maybe the locked gates are for the Preview Event only?
Knightsaber Sith
Yay for locked gates
Age
I noticed this to and one other near the Cliffs and I didn't see a enter mission button when in the Duggins.There were locked gates down there as wel and I explored down there anyways to find a ship that looks like the ones in the Desert.
Electric Sky
Locked gates never really bothered me 
ak347
I'm just slightly appalled by the number of quests to be found on the starter island :S Guildwiki lists about 30+ quests, and I have found some quests they havent mentioned. For example, if you go north through Zehlon reach, you trigger this evil mime quest that leads on to several other quests and finally to one ridiculously hard mini mission that has you defending one of the southern villages from more than a hundred skales. If the number of quests is proportional on the mainland, I'm afraid finishing everything will take a month.
Polgara Darshiva
and what's the problem with that exactly ak347?
If I get you right you're complaing that the game has to much content?
That's a new one for me
If I get you right you're complaing that the game has to much content?
That's a new one for me
Sheriff
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Yay for locked gates
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Locked gates never really bothered me
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Omega X
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Please spread your troll posts somewhere else. Some people prefer playing a RPG (and that means choices and non-linearity) than repeatable grinds.
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WhiteZombie
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The problem with making the Sunspear titles is that you'll have low level characters in high level areas, which Anet clearly does not want to have. But, how far are you? I haven't seen any closed gates.. and the one time that I did, I was allowed to go through the closed gates and enter the outpost.
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Xenrath
I really hope it doesn't in the full game.
Doing the same missions/quests.. wait let me correct that, being forced to keep doing them over and over for different chars... is not very fun. I would seriously question if someone really enjoys doing the likes of Vizunah (for example) 6-10+ times. There will most likely be missions/quests in Nightfall people don't like. Why on earth they should be forced to do those bits again just to get to the parts of the game they do like? Hope that isn't the case again.
Doing the same missions/quests.. wait let me correct that, being forced to keep doing them over and over for different chars... is not very fun. I would seriously question if someone really enjoys doing the likes of Vizunah (for example) 6-10+ times. There will most likely be missions/quests in Nightfall people don't like. Why on earth they should be forced to do those bits again just to get to the parts of the game they do like? Hope that isn't the case again.
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That's funny, because in many RPGs there are locked off areas until you get into a certain point of the storyline. They are locked because of exploiters of the system that try to get personal gain from it. Which is what you tried to do.
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And I am not trying to get personal gain from it, I just dont want to repeat the same areas all over again.
Then to make things worse, some trolls come into the topic and are very happy that their way of playing is forced on those who do not want to have linearity and repetitive games.
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You are talking about "many" RPGs. I am talking about "good" RPGs.
And I am not trying to get personal gain from it, I just dont want to repeat the same areas all over again. Then to make things worse, some trolls come into the topic and are very happy that their way of playing is forced on those who do not want to have linearity and repetitive games. |
So, wherever you could go will make you repeat the same areas again, locked gates or not.
Plus, I don't know much rpg that allow you to go wherever you please right from the start, good ones or not. Most of them, if they don't restrain you with the storyline, forbid you to go to some areas by the level of the monsters within.
beleive it or not, some people thinks the elder scrolls sucks 'cause this kind of freedom make the game too easy.
it's true that I'd rather have quests than level or titles requirement to advance through the story, but I beleive a game have to be played with some honesty. even more so an on-line games. you have to deserve your amulet of the mists
And please, don't call other trolls when they’re replying honestly to a whiner who obviously just want to power level without actually playing the game, and complain cause he won't be able to go to the high-end farming areas faster.
Kakumei
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Please spread your troll posts somewhere else. Some people prefer playing a RPG (and that means choices and non-linearity) than repeatable grinds.
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gabrial heart
I never ran into one locked gate following the storyline. They have really given this one a major upgrade. The only locked gate i found was in den after trying to run a guildy there. They have also improved the way missions are played IMO, which will prevent low levels from getting run through a mission. Unless you follow the storyline, you simply can't run to a mission town and do it. I think its a major plus system over factions, every area was available to me (once i got dunkoro) and by that time it was good to be able to explore. You can also go back and do a mission over with your buds by talking to the approriate person, sounds good to me and beats the tar out of locked zones and towns.
Sheriff
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Yeah man those people with those newfangled "opinions" and "preferences" are all totally trolls we should ban them all for not thinking like us
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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll=
"posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy or antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion"
Coming to this topic posting "locked gates rule!" is trolling.
LumpOfCole
The most ideal solution, imo, is to lock the gates like normal for the first character on an account's playthrough. Then have the gates open for all other characters on that account. I think all content should have to be played through once, but then once it becomes redundent for exploring/leveling later, then everything is unlocked to make things more free.
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Plus, I don't know much rpg that allow you to go wherever you please right from the start, good ones or not. Most of them, if they don't restrain you with the storyline, forbid you to go to some areas by the level of the monsters within.
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beleive it or not, some people thinks the elder scrolls sucks 'cause this kind of freedom make the game too easy.
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If you don't want to contribute, can you just go to a different topic? It is obvious that as far as RPGs goes, you are either completely ignorant or too young to know what a quality RPG is.
Tyggen
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From wikipedia, an INTERNET TROLL:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion
"An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something."
This is a forum, it's open for everyone, and I can't see how any rational person finds their posts trolling. If they disagree with your point of view, then so be it. There's nothing you can do about that unless you can convince them otherwise, and accusing them of trolling isn't a good place to start.
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Played any real great Old School RPG like Ultima 4-7? Thought so.
(...) If you don't want to contribute, can you just go to a different topic? It is obvious that as far as RPGs goes, you are either completely ignorant or too young to know what a quality RPG is. |
Kakumei
I like locked gates.
To you, that apparently is trolling; though I guess anyone who disagrees with you is a troll???
Also I'm not sure why you're comparing GW to Ultima; they're not even the same genre.
To you, that apparently is trolling; though I guess anyone who disagrees with you is a troll???
Also I'm not sure why you're comparing GW to Ultima; they're not even the same genre.
kvndoom
Nightfall doesn't seem as restricted as Factions was, from what I've played of it. Yeah you gotta meet requirements to get into some areas, but not all of them. I am really, really liking what I've seen of NF so far.
generik
How about they make it a flag in account settings that you can toggle on and off instead? That way everyone can get what they want!
Fine then, in MY OPINION you are a flamebait. Since it is my opinion it must be godly truth for me! Zomg!
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From wikipedia, an OPINION:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion "An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something." This is a forum, it's open for everyone, and I can't see how any rational person finds their posts trolling. If they disagree with your point of view, then so be it. There's nothing you can do about that unless you can convince them otherwise, and accusing them of trolling isn't a good place to start. That is a troll post. |
moenbase
Bla, I just wrote a whole story. But it's basicly said already.
I lack of content makes sense. But 'too much content' (twisting words, I know), that's new.
Sure one can disagree, and rather has the 'leet' stuff (twisting words again!), right at the start of the game.
While others prefer to go through the game on its own pace, following the story line.
I really don't know why you had to mention Ultima. That doesn't really make sense since it's a whole other game then Guildwars.
Personaly I think it's more like (most) Final Fantasy games. Following the storyline, and open up new area's while you proceed. You don't get the transport device (which is in a lot of FF games) right away, to fly/sail/transport yourself to the best armorer and by the best armor/weapons/magics.
Beside that...all the other armors would be out of business then.
I lack of content makes sense. But 'too much content' (twisting words, I know), that's new.
Sure one can disagree, and rather has the 'leet' stuff (twisting words again!), right at the start of the game.
While others prefer to go through the game on its own pace, following the story line.
I really don't know why you had to mention Ultima. That doesn't really make sense since it's a whole other game then Guildwars.
Personaly I think it's more like (most) Final Fantasy games. Following the storyline, and open up new area's while you proceed. You don't get the transport device (which is in a lot of FF games) right away, to fly/sail/transport yourself to the best armorer and by the best armor/weapons/magics.
Beside that...all the other armors would be out of business then.
Malice Black
Locked gates..hmm not amused, I don't have the time to grind to level 20 every time I roll out a PvE char.
You can argue grinding to 20 is part of PvE that's your choice, I don't have the time, I'm a casual player that plays at most a couple hours per week (maybe 3 tops)
Having to grind to 20 is going to put me off creating more then 1 char in Nightfall
You can argue grinding to 20 is part of PvE that's your choice, I don't have the time, I'm a casual player that plays at most a couple hours per week (maybe 3 tops)
Having to grind to 20 is going to put me off creating more then 1 char in Nightfall
Shoitaan
I dont know why people are whining to be honest. The only locked gate I've encountered is Blacktide cove. The docks look locked but you can just walk through the portal and go inside, not sure if thats a mistake or what but hey it works. And I personally like locked gates because the Ascalon and shiverpeak arenas back in proph were both ruined by people running ahead and getting max AL armour and elites and ofcourse max dmg weapons.
And for people that say that getting multiple characters through the game is a chore with locked gates.. if a game is a chore, why are you playing? :/
And for people that say that getting multiple characters through the game is a chore with locked gates.. if a game is a chore, why are you playing? :/
Malice Black
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Im not interested in fighting level3 mobs..Zzzz I have very few spare hours to play the game and I dont want to waste them grinding through to level 20.
As we speak im already up and working. Alot of my work is done by computer at home so I do browse through here across the day.
WasAGuest
Locked gates kill the immersion of the game, completely. they are a really dumb idea and restriction to the game play. I have yet to see a good reason they should be in place to begin with.
Reasons from stopping runners to "earning" something... these are all very grasping arguments that hold no weight at all.
IMO, the only ones who enjoy the locked gates are those that are forced to PuG through the game and are sick of trying to get into a group. Perhaps these players are assuming that forcing players to play through the missions and quests for the 10th time will suddenly mean they have more people in their PuG. Reality is, if I have to do X mission to get to X town and no guildies or friends are on; a locked gate is barring me from doing any exploring (ala simulating a living world) then I'll log and wait for people I know or finally give up on the franchise. If Anet didn't learn from the complaints in Factions, then they will never learn.
Alternatives to locked gates are plentiful and easy to put in. A checks and balance system should go in, so that a player that has not comleted X missions or quests would not have access to armor or weapons better than where he/her most rescent mission/quest has placed him/her.
Would be like someone being run to Droks and finding the armor there is the same as it was at Beacons. They haven't finished prior quests/missions so nothing better is available yet. This doesn't stop exploration and it doesn't kill the "living world", but it does stop exploiting.
Reasons from stopping runners to "earning" something... these are all very grasping arguments that hold no weight at all.
IMO, the only ones who enjoy the locked gates are those that are forced to PuG through the game and are sick of trying to get into a group. Perhaps these players are assuming that forcing players to play through the missions and quests for the 10th time will suddenly mean they have more people in their PuG. Reality is, if I have to do X mission to get to X town and no guildies or friends are on; a locked gate is barring me from doing any exploring (ala simulating a living world) then I'll log and wait for people I know or finally give up on the franchise. If Anet didn't learn from the complaints in Factions, then they will never learn.
Alternatives to locked gates are plentiful and easy to put in. A checks and balance system should go in, so that a player that has not comleted X missions or quests would not have access to armor or weapons better than where he/her most rescent mission/quest has placed him/her.
Would be like someone being run to Droks and finding the armor there is the same as it was at Beacons. They haven't finished prior quests/missions so nothing better is available yet. This doesn't stop exploration and it doesn't kill the "living world", but it does stop exploiting.
Lord Palidore
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From wikipedia, an INTERNET TROLL:
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They, in my opinion, we're not trolling. The only person that it might disrupt the flow of discussion of is you, because your so against locked gates.
Trolling: "Lol, locked gates own, useless topic"
Voicing your own opinion: "Locked gates dont bother me," or "I dont really mind having locked gates."
There's a difference.
The whole point of making a post in forums is for diverse discussions.
If your going to create a topic saying that you disagree with locked gates, and tell anyone who does agree with them not to post, then that's just pretty one-sided.
You cant just shut us out; What if Anet happens to read this topic, and other topics like this (and for the record, there are 1 or 2 other topics about this already)? They're only going to see a big group of people who hate the idea, and people who like the concept wont get the opportunity to speak out.
As for my opinion on it, it looks as if that by the time you leave Istan, you will be possibly around lvl 16-20, as I we we're definately blocked out of some areas on Istan. I base that on the fact that you go from approximately a level 8 character and henchmen, straight to parties of 8, and lvl 16 henchmen at one point during the preview. It's basically the same way Factions worked, where everyone was lvl 15-20 when they got to the mainland, so people can travel from Tyria to Cantha and not miss out so much on the storyline.
If your idea was implimented, you'd basically end up a level 1 amongst level 20s. At that point, you would not be able to get into groups, and not be able to go anywhere without dying, which is what Anet, and in the bigger picture you, dont want.
gamecube187
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From wikipedia, an INTERNET TROLL:
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And where are there any locked gates? I only found one at some harbor place, and I accidentally walked through that one into the town, so I don't know what you are complaining about....
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How about they make it a flag in account settings that you can toggle on and off instead? That way everyone can get what they want!
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bigwig
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Please spread your troll posts somewhere else. Some people prefer playing a RPG (and that means choices and non-linearity) than repeatable grinds.
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I guess i'll also say that I'm in support of a middle ground between locked gates, and free exploration.
Omega X
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You are talking about "many" RPGs. I am talking about "good" RPGs.
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The personal gain part is you trying to get higher level armor before it was needed.
Sheriff
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Yes, and dont forget that phrases like that are written by people like you in the first place.
They, in my opinion, we're not trolling. The only person that it might disrupt the flow of discussion of is you, because your so against locked gates. Trolling: "Lol, locked gates own, useless topic" Voicing your own opinion: "Locked gates dont bother me," or "I dont really mind having locked gates." There's a difference. |
I made a topic about a compromising solution that would please both fans of locked gates AND people like me who don't want to play the entire game with many chars.
And some people, instead of giving an opinion about my suggestion, just came here saying "yay for locked gates"
That IS trolling.
Sheriff
Back to the subject:
Even though there aren't as many locked gates as they were on Factions, you are still forced to do things in a specific order to get out of the island. Now compare:
GWP: Level 2 char in Ascalon. Can get a runner to basically anywhere (except Dragon's Lair and post THK). Gets the armor he wants, levels the way it wants, basically plays the way he wants
GWN: Level 2 char in Kamadan. Apparently (full version of the game may prove me wrong, hopefully) no quick way of going to mainland. Three missions are needed. In two of them, you have to do specific quests to get a specific hero in your party. The 1st and 2nd mission might be runnable, the 3rd doesn't seem so easy to.
So locked gates are there, but disguised.
I still think a compromise solution so that through the first time a player would have to go through them, but not on the others. Maybe if you have a certain title in your account, the guys at the docks could say from the start "sure, go ahead into the mainland, since you are Warmarshall/Sunspear/whatever"
Even though there aren't as many locked gates as they were on Factions, you are still forced to do things in a specific order to get out of the island. Now compare:
GWP: Level 2 char in Ascalon. Can get a runner to basically anywhere (except Dragon's Lair and post THK). Gets the armor he wants, levels the way it wants, basically plays the way he wants
GWN: Level 2 char in Kamadan. Apparently (full version of the game may prove me wrong, hopefully) no quick way of going to mainland. Three missions are needed. In two of them, you have to do specific quests to get a specific hero in your party. The 1st and 2nd mission might be runnable, the 3rd doesn't seem so easy to.
So locked gates are there, but disguised.
I still think a compromise solution so that through the first time a player would have to go through them, but not on the others. Maybe if you have a certain title in your account, the guys at the docks could say from the start "sure, go ahead into the mainland, since you are Warmarshall/Sunspear/whatever"
twicky_kid
Anet get rid of the gates. I can take a lvl 1 character to lvl 20 in 1 day without ever setting foot in pve. Scrimages in GH you gain exp.
So low lvl characters in at the end content is not a big deal. I'm very surprised other people don't do this.
So low lvl characters in at the end content is not a big deal. I'm very surprised other people don't do this.
Electric Sky
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Please spread your troll posts somewhere else. Some people prefer playing a RPG (and that means choices and non-linearity) than repeatable grinds.
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Electric Sky
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You (and others) are totally missing the point.
I made a topic about a compromising solution that would please both fans of locked gates AND people like me who don't want to play the entire game with many chars. And some people, instead of giving an opinion about my suggestion, just came here saying "yay for locked gates" That IS trolling. |
If Anet wants to have locked gates, then let it be.
AND if Anet gets rid of locked gates, then let it be.
gr3g
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I made a topic about a compromising solution that would please both fans of locked gates AND people like me who don't want to play the entire game with many chars.
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Why? Because you enroll characters not accounts in the Order. It's a rating of what your character has done for the Order. See how the +15 attribute point rewards are based on your Order rank. Do you want all your new chars to have the +30 right off the bat? Even Factions wasn't so loose with their PvE rewards.
Also you want level 1 Sunspear Legends? Please, no.
Sujoy
1) Its only WPE, u cant explore more then Istan
2) A-Net nerfed running(which is in their benefit cuz they want players to play a linear storyline)
2) A-Net nerfed running(which is in their benefit cuz they want players to play a linear storyline)