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gr3g

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

26 Sep 2006 at 17:59 - 41

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Originally Posted by Yakk

Isn't that why we play games like this, the fantasy of occupying another body, another soul for a short while. If we all walk around looking like everyone else and not being able to express ourselves uniquely, then this game will loose the very thing that keeps most people interested.

I dunno. I play GW because it's kind of fun to bash or blow other players up, or to prevent the other players from bashing or blowing my team up. Diablo (both 1 and 2) had practically zero character customization and by any measure was a successful game. The GW design is focused on gameplay, not endless character customization. If you like the latter, Oblivion or WoW or NWN2 are better suited for you.

Not that I'm saying that people who're complaining about lack of variety should stop playing GW. I'm just saying: have a little perspective. Is it really that important? Can't you just live with it?

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

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26 Sep 2006 at 18:21 - 42

I think this thread is just an excuse to stare at the female models!

(not that I mind).

They do look similar, but there are slight differences. The amazing thing to me is just how different clothing can alter their appearence.

For example, it's hard to tell, but it appears the Dervish has wider hips than the Ele.

The Paragon and Ele look every similar, though...

Meh. I'd never have noticed, and it really doesn't bother or surprise me.

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Originally Posted by Align

Show me the differences between the core professions.

Yes, I'd like to see this too

Exoudeous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Honor Warriors

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26 Sep 2006 at 18:29 - 43

While i do agree its slightly lame their stances are the same, I ee NO problem with tehm being the same body model, doesnt have as much to do with being lazy as it does with resource management.

the fewer diffrent models there are in the same area the smoother the game will play. I remember some mmos that wouldnt add new races in the expansions simply because it would slow down the game.

Im sure that if they made new bodies for each, there would then be another complaint thread "OMG WHY SO MUCH LAG IN NIGHTFALL OUTPOSTS!!!111"

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

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26 Sep 2006 at 19:59 - 44

Personally, I don't see this as much of an issue. I'd much rather have more real content, which is probably ANet's thinking as well. They're deferring this to more important stuff.

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

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26 Sep 2006 at 20:43 - 45

As an artist, I really wish they had made new models for the new classes. They reused a LOT in NF. much of the armor is the same model with new textures or only slightly modified.

Since they tout giving us content equivilant to the Proph, i'd like to see more new character models & animation.

It's nice to have new missions and maps and stuff, but it's also nice to have newer and more unique identities for the characters.

Nexus Icon

Wilds Pathfinder

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Natis Ignigena

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26 Sep 2006 at 20:45 - 46

The models aren't identical, but they do share a lot of animations.
I wish people would learn the differences between models, skins and animations :|

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

26 Sep 2006 at 21:30 - 47

I can live with this although I wouldn't be adverse to seeing more variety.

One thing I do have to wonder is, why do they base them all off the same original model? Why not base some off the warrior or monk?

ibex333

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Brooklyn, NY

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26 Sep 2006 at 21:54 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by easyg

I wish Anet would create some new body models.

1) In Prophesies, there were 6 unique female body models, one for each profession.

2) In Factions, there Anet added 1 unique female body model, the assassin. The Ritualist recycled the elementalist body.

3) In Nightfall, there are 0 unique female body models. The female paragon and dervish both recycle the elementalist body.

So there are now 4 professions using the female elementalist body model. Kinda lame.

Agreed 100%.

Ele is recycled, Warrior is recycled. Nightfall Ranger Armor is the ugliest armor in the history of GW, many sword models are recycled too..... I cant believe this is what people are paying their money for.... C'mon Anet. I understand you guys need money and all that, but give us something NEW in return. Something that is indeed NEW and not old turned into new.
Many people like me dont care as much about new quests that only give you exp, as they care about new cool armors, new monsters, and new 100% original non-recycled weapons. GW is about character customization as much as it is about PvP... So, let's keep it that way and not resort to lame recycling...

A BMW 750i made in 1995 that was reconditioned and repainted might look decent, but it's still an OLD BMW.... I hope this poor comparison makes any sence.

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

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26 Sep 2006 at 22:47 - 49

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Originally Posted by ibex333

A BMW 750i made in 1995 that was reconditioned and repainted might look decent, but it's still an OLD BMW.... I hope this poor comparison makes any sence.

Your comparison is ok, but flawed, try keeping the body of the 95 bmw, but replacing every last part with it's 06/07 counterpart and the comparison will be a little bit better.

Who cares if they reused a manaquin, it's A COMPUTER GENERATED IMAGE, it could be a stick figure for all I care so long as it does what it's intended to do.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

26 Sep 2006 at 22:50 - 50

You know, if I didn't care about graphics at all I'd still be playing nethack.

gr3g

Frost Gate Guardian

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27 Sep 2006 at 00:23 - 51

Nethack is the WoW of roguelikes, though. Players who prize gameplay over frills would play Angband. Vanilla Angband.

kazjun

Desert Nomad

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HoVa

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27 Sep 2006 at 00:39 - 52

I don't think they recycled bodies. Maybe the paragon, and her run is just like the eles, but the dervish is not the same. And I couldn't mistake my rit for an ele, ever.

Quid Pro Quo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

27 Sep 2006 at 01:01 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by gr3g

Not that I'm saying that people who're complaining about lack of variety should stop playing GW. I'm just saying: have a little perspective. Is it really that important? Can't you just live with it?

Which is exactly why people pay easily 100k for FoW and 50k on black dye or 100k +ectos for a weapon skin. /sarcasm

GW is ALL about looks and if you don't think so then your lying to yourself. You can easily have max everything for under 10k but how many people do you see who do that?

This is a product we are paying for so yes its important in that sense. If I'm paying for a product I'm not going to "just live with it". If no one cared about graphics they would all be playing text games still where anything is possible.

KoalaMeatPie

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Join Date: Apr 2006

Cute And Fluffy in My Tummy

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27 Sep 2006 at 02:32 - 54

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Originally Posted by Henchman

Yeah I agree with the OP.
The instant I saw the female Dervish model, I realized it was exactly the same as the ele. I am not talking about the emotes- I am talking about the posture in which the charcter stands, the way they run, and how the cast spells.
Asides from the faces (and perhaps the chest....), they are both identical.

Okay I am going to say this once then leave this thread because its starting to piss me off.

WHO CARES

Its Pointless. So they *may* recycle some modles, So what? Seriuosly? So what? What do you haev against it? That they are the same body shape? Ok yeah so? Play the game, it doesn't matter.

Oh you want more variety?

All armour is different accross all profetions - Male and female, See, it coveres them

Unless you want to see them nude. Because thats the only way I can possibly comprehend why it matters soo much.

In Which case get your hands out of your pants and get a girlfriend.

"The Ele is the same as the Rt"

It doesn't matter, they are covered :

Even if theya re the same, it doesn't matter.

Whirling Wanda

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

27 Sep 2006 at 03:43 - 55

Now that the online store is open for business, I'm starting to wonder if the NCsoft/Anet won't eventually start to charge players to unlock more special cosmetic features such as faces, hairstyles and maybe even mannequins. If I was an Anet/NCsoft, that's what I'd do.

Given their business model, they have to keep on releasing new material to generate revenues, and as a stopgap between new chapters, an expansion pack with a bunch of new faces and mannequins and stuff would be a surefire way to bring in more cash with a very minimal investment. And it's already a proven fact that GW players will pay big cash for cosmetic stuff....hence the booming gold trade on eBay. People don't buy eBay gold in order to obtain weapons and armor with perfect stats. People buy gold to spend it on unique skins.....Anet knows that, and they'd be stupid if they didn't cash in.

Just out of I curiousity, I wanted to see if the rt and elementalist really are using the same mannequin so I made a composite based off of some of the images provided in the forum.

Notice the joins are pretty much exact. At the very least, the rt mannequin is built off of the elementalist, and I would say it's 99% identical.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8568/composituj5.jpg

Angel Netherborn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Lower Ward, Sigil

Goda Vos

27 Sep 2006 at 05:48 - 56

Yep, GW could certainly do with more obvious and unique distinctions to character models.

To those who say it's not necessary/important/useless/worthless/pointless: well, yea, it's not to you, but it IS to some of us. I wonder how many of u naysayers have 15k armor probably dyed black and also complain about which armor looks better.

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

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27 Sep 2006 at 13:45 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angel Netherborn

To those who say it's not necessary/important/useless/worthless/pointless: well, yea, it's not to you, but it IS to some of us. I wonder how many of u naysayers have 15k armor probably dyed black and also complain about which armor looks better.

Yes, I agree that it matters more to some people than others. What I was saying is that in terms of priority, it does not and should not rank that high on ANet's list, because it's a cosmetic change, and not something that would say, stop Nightfall's release.

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

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27 Sep 2006 at 14:19 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whirling Wanda

Now that the online store is open for business, I'm starting to wonder if the NCsoft/Anet won't eventually start to charge players to unlock more special cosmetic features such as faces, hairstyles and maybe even mannequins. If I was an Anet/NCsoft, that's what I'd do.

Given their business model, they have to keep on releasing new material to generate revenues, and as a stopgap between new chapters, an expansion pack with a bunch of new faces and mannequins and stuff would be a surefire way to bring in more cash with a very minimal investment. And it's already a proven fact that GW players will pay big cash for cosmetic stuff....hence the booming gold trade on eBay. People don't buy eBay gold in order to obtain weapons and armor with perfect stats. People buy gold to spend it on unique skins.....Anet knows that, and they'd be stupid if they didn't cash in.

Just out of I curiousity, I wanted to see if the rt and elementalist really are using the same mannequin so I made a composite based off of some of the images provided in the forum.

Notice the joins are pretty much exact. At the very least, the rt mannequin is built off of the elementalist, and I would say it's 99% identical.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8568/composituj5.jpg

Nice image. I can see now that the Rit. underwear was giving me a false impression... the funny thing is, I thought (like many people), that the Rit's breasts were bigger, but no: the breasts on the Rit are just more exposed!

Which brings me to an interesting point: Most people didn't notice this until posted side-by-side, and even then, we saw "differences" that really didn't exist.

I wonder, though, how many would pay for different models?

Cineris

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

27 Sep 2006 at 16:37 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by milias

Yes, I agree that it matters more to some people than others. What I was saying is that in terms of priority, it does not and should not rank that high on ANet's list, because it's a cosmetic change, and not something that would say, stop Nightfall's release.

I don't think anyone is ranking up reuse of a model with a critical bug or other issue that could conceivably push back a release.

Whether or not it's a priority for you (you being used in the general sense, here), there are a lot of people who care about the aesthetic aspects of Guild Wars.

I know, for me, my own personal list of things that I really want is pretty small: An auction house, the ability to customize character appearance after character creation, and new art options for character customization. Lots of the things that are in Nightfall are nice... But so far no word on trade improvements, no word on post-creation customization, and seemingly limited expansion of appearance options and annoying restrictions on utilization of those options makes me cautious. If Nightfall's preview had delivered solidly on any one of these three points it would have been a must-buy for me, while as it is, I'm going to wait and see.

Imaginos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

27 Sep 2006 at 16:49 - 60

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Originally Posted by BeXoR

No one has boobs as big as an ele!

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Originally Posted by N E D M

the ritualist female is not the same model as the ele.

the riualist has MUCH bigger boobs.

If you actually look at the clothes that the different female models that actually have a chest wear then you'll notice that every outfit gives the females a different bust size. Some of the ritualist clothes make her look busty others don't, same with the elementalist to a smaller degree and same with the warrior etc... Anet is not very consistant with boobage

SilintNinjya

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Join Date: Sep 2006

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27 Sep 2006 at 16:54 - 61

guys...um....it shouldnt matter what model the dervish really is. they are wearing robes most of the time. the only time it would have any effect is when they are naked which happens only in naked dance parties...

ok, so like probably 50% of the time.... =[

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

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27 Sep 2006 at 18:09 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cineris

I know, for me, my own personal list of things that I really want is pretty small: An auction house, the ability to customize character appearance after character creation, and new art options for character customization. Lots of the things that are in Nightfall are nice... But so far no word on trade improvements, no word on post-creation customization, and seemingly limited expansion of appearance options and annoying restrictions on utilization of those options makes me cautious. If Nightfall's preview had delivered solidly on any one of these three points it would have been a must-buy for me, while as it is, I'm going to wait and see.

As you said it yourself, those are the things that you want, not need. While they may be nice to have for sure, they're not essential to the game.

Horseman Of War

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27 Sep 2006 at 18:35 - 63

Look if it aint broke, dont fix it.

KoalaMeatPie

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27 Sep 2006 at 20:02 - 64

Ok,So you want AnEt to offer different models off the online store?

Think of it this way:

Has the same modle problem stopped yuo from creating new Characters? Will you pay to buy a new modle, then remake the character ebcause you bought the new model?

And its not just the model that has to change, they ahve to remake all the armour for it.

I don't think that The cost it takes to change all that, and the amount of people who will buy the new models is enough to balaence. - And its not just the cost its the time it takes just to change that is time spentnot working on something else.

Face it - it won't happen.

The least that WILL happen i them implementing new models in the next chapters.

Mister_Smiley

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

28 Sep 2006 at 01:40 - 65

Remember Nightfall was orginal not going to have new characters. Also i could care less if they have the same emote, or what ever their the same. I want to have fun with new classes and not compaire them to eather other so i can bitch and moan about something that is very stuped. Those who have modeling know that its not easy and that their artest are working on other stuff, like the content and everything else. If you don't want to see the reused models, then just don't make the new classes.

Cineris

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

28 Sep 2006 at 14:25 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by milias

As you said it yourself, those are the things that you want, not need. While they may be nice to have for sure, they're not essential to the game.

What is essential to the game? I don't consider two more classes essential. In fact, I'd prefer if they didn't introduce new classes and instead focused on expanding the roles of existing classes.

I don't consider new skills essential, though it's nice. A hero system isn't essential, nor are new areas, items, and so on. The only thing I even consider remotely essential are trade improvements, but even in that respect people survive without it.