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manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

25 Sep 2006 at 07:48 - 1

PS mods if this isnt the right spot feel more than free to move it as im not sure exactly where to do this at.

now ive played mesmer before. this is to see what items and how much gold a person can indeed get from start to finish in prophicies with out farming. now my mesmer will have these restrictions and if u guys can think of more fair restrictions let me know. and when she reaches the last mission on the fire islands ill have a picture of the Xunlai storage agent.

restrictions
1. no access to storage.
2. no farming (only drops picked up doing quests only)
3. no going out of the way to get stuff
4. no being ran anywhere
5. follow the linerity of the game
6. maybe 2-3 hours a night maximum playtime on this character

if u guys can come up with some other suggestions that way to be completely fair let me know. also feel free to say hi anytime shes playing. IGN is Tam Borine, hehe it was the name of my dervish

now i wont start playing her till maybe wednseday because i know some of u guys will have good ideas for it. so let me guys know what else migh be good. i picked mesmer as its the hardest class in props to get into pugs.

and heres her start picture shes sat for 30 mins hehe while i typed this up.

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

25 Sep 2006 at 08:09 - 2

And what can you prove with this?

That you're a pack-rat and don't need storage to top that off?

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

25 Sep 2006 at 08:16 - 3

no access to my storage means having nothing availiable from previous chars to help along the way. we will see what happens is all it proves

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

25 Sep 2006 at 08:36 - 4

I did that once...

Oh yeah, the first time I played Guild Wars. Worked out pretty well.

Cherno

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Stars of Destiny

E/

25 Sep 2006 at 09:02 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by manitoba1073

no access to my storage means having nothing availiable from previous chars to help along the way. we will see what happens is all it proves

I guess I just don't get the point of what you are trying to prove. Why is it a mesmer? Why have you put the restrictions on that you have? At the end, what are you going to come back and say? "It took me 2 months because I couldn't get in any groups as a mesmer"? "I constantly had to sell stuff because I had no room in inventory"? "15K/fissure is easy to get without farming"?

You have to have some parameters to do an experiment. Otherwise you are just playing the game with nothing to prove.

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

25 Sep 2006 at 09:29 - 6

the perameters are what the restrictions i put on and i aslo asked if there was any more ideas for others. i usually play 6 or so hours a night on all my characters. now basically this mesmer is gonna be done as a casual player would play. and the reason for no access to my storage for this mesmer is i have a ton in it, and i want this one to start out as a player that just got the game, ofcourse i have more experience than they would. but i want the means to be the same.

Arcador

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

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R/N

25 Sep 2006 at 09:30 - 7

Maybe his parents are reading this and they forbid him from playing the game. If this is the case: GOOD job on this school project buddy! With this theory aproved, you will have no problem entering the elites of the universities your parents always wanted you to go!

LuckyGiant

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

New Zealand

Retired :)

25 Sep 2006 at 10:14 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by manitoba1073

restrictions
1. no access to storage.
2. no farming (only drops picked up doing quests only)
3. no going out of the way to get stuff
4. no being ran anywhere
5. follow the linerity of the game
6. maybe 2-3 hours a night maximum playtime on this character

if u guys can come up with some other suggestions that way to be completely fair let me know.

My suggestion, remove the no access to storage restriction, its not realistic. Clean out everything in your storage and your mesmer should have access to the blank storage to deposit items of value (as people playing normally thru the game do)
Otherwise your inventory space will be limited (due to spending slots on saving nice items u collect = less gold from selling junk to merchants. And your test would be worthless

And the following quote is for the above people who can't read

Quote:

Originally Posted by manitoba1073

this is to see what items and how much gold a person can indeed get from start to finish in prophicies with out farming

I'd be interested to know the result, but you have a few decisions to make, assuming testing for the casual gamer (too see his gold end game) Do they use collectors armor or buy it? Same with weapons? Keeping a tally of how much you spend so u can find the total gold they earn?

Just my thoughts, good luck on your experiment

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

25 Sep 2006 at 10:14 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by manitoba1073

no access to my storage means having nothing availiable from previous chars to help along the way. we will see what happens is all it proves

What do you expect to happen?

I started playing Prophecies with a mesmer, and he was my only character until 3 months after I got Factions. I didn't know how to "55-ing" back then, so you can say I don't really farm in the sense of most farmers'.

How do you think I survived that, with all Me/Mo skills on my character AND a set of 15k armor too?

And I'm SO SURE I'm not the only one, we all started with nothing in storage once.

Rusty Deth

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Woodland Realm

Mo/N

25 Sep 2006 at 10:51 - 10

i know what the OP doing, but I think the test is a little bit extreme. I've done a watered down version of this.

I simply gauged my play time, looked at the locations I was playing, and came up with averages on how much money I make for certain amount of play time.

I took out other factors like buying keys, buying skills, and solo farming.

I found that high level areas ( anywhere the enemies are level 20 or higher ) generated between 1-2k for an hour of playing. This would include PuG's, going henchway for quests, or trying to get to one outpost to another.

That money was mostyly out of just going to the merchant and selling everything I had. Add in rare materials and the possible sup rune my numbers would increase a bit.

All in all I never have money issues in GW except for one. When I want 15k armor. I only bought one set so far, but am currently saving up for a set for another character.

I mean its an interesting idea the Op has, but I done this before with my first character. She's a monk and I never had any problems with cash with her, that is untill I started buying caps and more skills later in the game.

You don't really need loads of cash to play this game since 1.5 k armor is no different from 15k. and IMHO collectors and crafters have pretty good items compared to greens that sell for alot.

But it would be interesting to see how much that generates. I say go forth and restrict yourself form buying any skills, keys, and runes as well.

Oven

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/N

25 Sep 2006 at 11:08 - 11

I think you should clear your inventory or use 1 of ur other character as a mule for the duration of this experiment. Also, use collector's armour only when you have the required items without going to look for them. I'm curious to know how much money u can get.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

25 Sep 2006 at 11:54 - 12

With a mesmer as my first character, I had 2 pieces of 15k as soon as I reached Citadel... a black dye + salvaging and selling drops left me with quite a decent amount of money... the other two pieces weren't far behind, and I had a full set before I finished Hell's.

R_Frost

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

Me/

25 Sep 2006 at 13:46 - 13

i agree with the using another character for a mule idea. a person playing the game the first time with no other characters would have access to storage and i think you should be able to use your storage too. other then that it should be interesting to see the results.

Tachyon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Stoke, England

The Godless [GOD]

W/

25 Sep 2006 at 14:26 - 14

I'm confused! Exactly what theory is the OP testing? Sounds more like an experiment to me.

Theory:

A proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

Experiment:

A test, trial, or tentative procedure; an act or operation for the purpose of discovering something unknown or of testing a principle, supposition, etc.

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

25 Sep 2006 at 14:29 - 15

2-3 hours means that you're joining max groups or bringing along the maximum number of henchmen, which should mean (after purchasing max 1.5K armor and runes, which I'm assuming is in your plan) you should wind up with very little to no gold unless you find a black dye or a superior vigor/monk runes that give you a massive cash infusion.

If you do it solo (without henchmen), I guarantee that you have 100K in gold with max 1.5K armor by the time you're done.

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

25 Sep 2006 at 14:31 - 16

I recently cleared Prophecies with my ele. (all missions and quests) and I only made about 10-15k from start to finish. I think the idea is just to make enough for what you need (i.e. Max AL armor) and even without money one could still get by using collectors.

Amity and Truth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

W/N

25 Sep 2006 at 14:43 - 17

Aww seriously folks, don't get worked up about wording oO
If you're that keen on wordings, well... even ID abuses a hole in the scientifical Fact and Theory system to claim itself a fact. So don't get too serious on words.

About the experiment. It's something i'm interested in seeing the outcome. A question though, will you salvage stuff and maybe even craft staff to increase the worth of things? Will you sell gold items you get on your way to the end? Dyes? Or simply summarizing up the drops from start to finish? Will you do all the quests? Or just the skillquests? Collectors Armor (though that includes going out to farm stuff).

sour fruit

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

25 Sep 2006 at 14:44 - 18

In the Factions campaign i made just under 110k from the story line ^^

tomcruisejr

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

25 Sep 2006 at 16:32 - 19

i tried this too. after 1++ years, i got 5 pvp ready rp characters (including my first character which is also a mesmer) and 1 pvp slot.

Ozric

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Texas

Phoolz Like Us

E/Me

25 Sep 2006 at 17:11 - 20

If this enterprise is solely for the purpose of seeing what an avg. player ends up with whose only purpose is to see the game from start to finish, pre-storage days, then I'd hasten a guess that your mesmer will end up with Drok's armor, a mediocre weapon unless you do indeed go a bit out of the way for a collector or two (as I think some might), and 15k gold plus or minus.

Happy hunting!

Solar_Takfar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

25 Sep 2006 at 18:43 - 21

what the above poster said, except about 20-30k rather than 15k. I did that a short while ago with my nec, that's what I got.

SirErnieMacGloop

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Area 52

25 Sep 2006 at 19:43 - 22

Interesting idea... nice way to show everyone who always complains about money in game what you get just for playing the game through, without resorting to name calling, flaming or bashing.

I would recommend that if this character you are using gets an exceptional drop (ie: sup vigor) or something that you not include that gold as part of your total.

FYI: Everyone kinda did this with the NF preview, no access to storage or other character's things. Over the weekend I made it to within 1300xp of lvl 20, after buying max armor for the preview and following all the quests I could find, without "farming" my total gold was almost 10k.

Haggard

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/Rt

25 Sep 2006 at 19:48 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Deth

You don't really need loads of cash to play this game since 1.5 k armor is no different from 15k. and IMHO collectors and crafters have pretty good items compared to greens that sell for alot.

I agree that stuff that works just as well as ultra-high end stuff can be got on a tight budget, but I disagree about greens. In my opinion they are basically designed to provide perfect weapons to people who can't afford proper perfect golds and such.

Look at Victo's Blade. Mathematically a perfect sword - I myself used it for many months, and all for the low low price of 5-8k. Compare that to a gold sword with exact same stats, and you're saving dozens of platinum.

On topic, I don't see why this experiment needs so much flaming. It's a valid question, and having just completed Biochemistry coursework, I don't see any holes in his plan.

GrandCharm~

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

canada

26 Sep 2006 at 02:02 - 24

Yeah go manitoba ! (its where i live)

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

26 Sep 2006 at 02:19 - 25

For your experiment, I find it interesting you chose the mesmer profession.
Mathematically if you make a monk you will be about 10 times more productive than making any other class. Why? No other class is wanted by nearly every group...

Relambrien

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Delaware, USA

Error Seven Operators [Call]

W/

26 Sep 2006 at 02:21 - 26

My Ranger was my first character, and I remember exactly how much gold I got and what happened with me.

I got to level 4 before leaving Pre-Searing and gathered a mere 1k. I bought Ascalon armor and continued on. I bought nothing until Amnoon, where I bought new armor, blowing ALL of the money I gathered on the way. When I got to drok's, I spent hours upon hours just trying to get the money I needed for the armor. I then proceeded from there to finish the game, doing quests as I got them.

Final results:

Non-max damage bow with no mods, no runes, 1.5k armor, no dyes, non-upgraded bags, and a grand total of less than 2k. Oh, and I didn't buy a single skill. Quest rewards ftw. The game took about a month and a half to finish.

As for the NF preview, I made 1.5k with one stroke of heavy farming and doing every quest I saw. Of course, that's after armor and skill purchases, so the "grand total" I made is probably closer to 8k.

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

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ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

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26 Sep 2006 at 03:40 - 27

yes i choose mesmer for the reason it will be the hardest to get into pugs.

the main reason im not gonna use storage at allis this way its all on this character from start to finish. easier to keep track of things. not to mention the 1 mill and full storage dont help either.

figure this will give a low end of what the normal playing character can expect even from the worse possible character type.

hehe i didnt see any other restrictions yet from u guys. i dont want it easy on me.

lets see what would the worst possible secondary for mesmer be.

thinking maybe war as secondary.

she will salvage what she needs for armors at the big cities only. no collectors stuff.any thing else she doesnt need will go to merchants and traders only. so there will be no trading to ppl either.

glad some ppl like the idea. remember 2 days till i start so what secondary will be the hardest?

just so u guys also know its my 16th character. and i have been playing for 16 months also.

Nightsear

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2006

26 Sep 2006 at 04:05 - 28

Kinda pointless, it is like playing the game the first time without any friends or strangers to help you.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

26 Sep 2006 at 04:10 - 29

Already did this, called "my first character".

Ended the game in 15k Druids Armor, and ~20k in storage.

Mammoth

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Yakslappers

Mo/Me

26 Sep 2006 at 04:32 - 30

nice idea, let us know how it ends up for sure, unlike the people who are either saying they've done it or disagree... things have changed a lot since the release when i made my first char :P so i would find it interesting to see how successful a new player could be these days...

W Yuko

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/

26 Sep 2006 at 05:15 - 31

I think this is a really good idea - to start out fresh to c how much u end up! Beside gold - may be u can look at Time to complete too. (say an average joe of 2-3hrs a day - will take him how long to really finish it). 3 hrs is the restriction too per day

Well my 2cents of suggestion is that no shortcut nor running ard the cities. Just purely playing thru the game like a v first timer. Which u already pointed and stated and another restriction is that if u are retricted to use henchman only for all quests and mission too.

Bear in mind some of the end game mission is really hard to do with AI - so i dont know how frustrated u will be - but if u really must need help - then ask guildies for monk assistance only. Tats another restriction but exclusion to the Monk part.

Well since u start off fresh - then u might as well time yourself how long and how far u can go everyday - and to probably detailed down the possible mission that is too hard to hench thru - i believe u are a very experience player and just trying to find something out of the box to do

So i wish u all the best and if u need any help on the monk part - pls whisper me ign - W Yuko. More than happy to do any missions with u.

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

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26 Sep 2006 at 05:53 - 32

actually the end missions are easyier if u use henchies. just dont get bonus

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

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26 Sep 2006 at 09:17 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by manitoba1073

actually the end missions are easyier if u use henchies. just dont get bonus

well i started earlier than i thought i would. a friend heard i was doing this and wanted to tag along for a while but heres the first update of playing 3 hours in pre-searing with 2 of those hours he tagged along. not bad for 3 hours and a buddy tagging along. also i added another restriction too. on fighting the creatures i can only attack the ones within casting range. so any outside casting range isnt allowed to go for.

hope u like the pix

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

26 Sep 2006 at 09:36 - 34

I know this person and he is an adult you got to realize that he was ran moslty through the game with his other chars. and farms like hell.This person has lots of Gs on this person so it would easy and tempting for this person to use it.This Person had most of thier char.s ran to Droks after leaving pre well for the most part so in all and all this person is playing the game Proph. like its first time.That is what you are up to you in that case good luck.We pm each other all the time.