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Ladder Correction Made
As you may be aware, we experienced some technical issues on Saturday. Consequently, we need to remove the results of approximately 13 hours of Guild Wars GvG battles that took place between 00:01 AM and 13:40 PDT on Sunday, September 24th. We decided to make this adjustment because the overall tournament ladder integrity was at risk. During a portion of the Guild Wars Nightfall event, a game error appeared that allowed battles to be won unfairly. A large number of the battles that took place during the hours in question were impacted by the error. The outcomes of those battles, if left intact, would have devalued all of the true GvG effort put in by so many guilds this season and would have threatened the integrity of the tournament ladder.
Since the removal of these games would have a mathematical effect on the results of each subsequent match, we have recalculated the point results of all battles that took place past after the reset on Saturday and have adjusted them.
We have an absolute commitment to take whatever means necessary to protect the tournament ladder and, by extension, to protect the results of all the hard-fought battles played. We apologize for any inconvenience that this removal may have caused.
We will continue to remain diligent to assure that a repeat of this weekend's incident does not take place.
Thank you for your understanding,
The Guild Wars Team
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GvG rollback .......... Official :(
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gr3g
I find nothing to criticize here except your frownie in the thread subject.
Sinborn
Who else frowns upon a rollback other than someone who ran the exploit? The legit players were losing to those teams, mind you.
explodemyheart
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Who else frowns upon a rollback other than someone who ran the exploit?
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Aphraelyn
Not really especially when the bug abuse was used by.....quite a few people...
Really, I'm personally in favour of this rollback. Mind you, I don't think my guild GvGed in the past 13 hours so it doesn't affect me personally but still, good move by the GWteam imo o.o
Also...seeing as how bad the bug was...all it would be doing is messing up the ladder...which may result in some teams that don't deserve to get into the season finals getting in and all that...kinda...funny stuff...
Really, I'm personally in favour of this rollback. Mind you, I don't think my guild GvGed in the past 13 hours so it doesn't affect me personally but still, good move by the GWteam imo o.o
Also...seeing as how bad the bug was...all it would be doing is messing up the ladder...which may result in some teams that don't deserve to get into the season finals getting in and all that...kinda...funny stuff...
Sinborn
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Maybe someone who worked hard to improve their guild rank legitimately and actually did get somewhere?
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Nightsear
As long as it doesn't affect it PvE-wise, I'm good.
Lady Frost Bite
there was a guild who ran this exploit and got all the way to rank 2. my guild came across this bug during a match and it cost us a -15 in rating so the roll back is a very good idea. reguardless of the fact that the guilds that used this skill would not be able to win against a top 10-20 team without makes no difference, some action needed to be taken, and i'm sure the guilds that are top 100 and lost major rank(due to a loss from rank 500 down) will accept this roll back with no problems.
Gaile Gray
If it helps, consider this: When we rolled out the ill-gotten wins, for the guilds that were cheating the system, we also rolled out the undeserved losses for guilds that were rolled by those using the exploit. When I realized that, I felt much better.
On another forum a member provided a chart showing net effects of the adjustment/rollback, and it's good to see that the majority of guilds did not have a net effect at all.
And in the end, I honestly and truly do not see a better solution to this problem. Do you?
On another forum a member provided a chart showing net effects of the adjustment/rollback, and it's good to see that the majority of guilds did not have a net effect at all.
And in the end, I honestly and truly do not see a better solution to this problem. Do you?
Clinically Proven
Perfect and timely solution thanks Anet 
Ole Man Bourbon
I think we all should get free pie.
You ought to suspend the guilds that abused the glitch, as well.
You ought to suspend the guilds that abused the glitch, as well.
Gaile Gray
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I think we all should get free pie.
You ought to suspend the guilds that abused the glitch, as well. |
Our tournament coordinator did not elect to take action against any guild. I suppose if a review of the records encourages him to do so, he may still take steps against any offending guild. But at this point, no individual action has been taken.
Sinborn
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If it helps, consider this: When we rolled out the ill-gotten wins, for the guilds that were cheating the system, we also rolled out the undeserved losses for guilds that were rolled by those using the exploit. When I realized that, I felt much better.
On another forum a member provided a chart showing net effects of the adjustment/rollback, and it's good to see that the majority of guilds did not have a net effect at all. And in the end, I honestly and truly do not see a better solution to this problem. Do you? |
As for suspending guilds, is it really worth the time and effort to investigate every match that occured? There's a lot of eager beavers out there looking to get a glimpse of fame regardless if it was honorable or not.
Mass off-topic: Was Holy Haste inspired by Healbot or is it just a scary coincidence?
Gaile Gray
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If I figure one out, I'll be sure to send a glittering envelope. From what I gathered from other GvG participants that were undermined by the exploit, they expected the rollback and wanted it.
As for suspending guilds, is it really worth the time and effort to investigate every match that occured? There's a lot of eager beavers out there looking to get a glimpse of fame regardless if it was honorable or not. |
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I can't speak to that skill directly, but I can tell you that we're with you, daily, and like good friends always do, your thoughts, concerns, and general influence always rub off on us. If you see yourself in our game, you probably ought to give yourself a pat on the back.
Guinevere Ac
Well tho i had fun seing some gvg played like that, ofcourse i perfectly agree with this rollback.
It influence many people as well as manipulate the ladder in a way that was not thought to be, or allowed. screwing customers is always bad, but when it's many people to be screwed there's surely the need to do something radical or expectional. Of course if it would just be one customers then leave him alone. is just 40$ of lost sales if he quits, so why caring.
that signet was hilarius to see this weekend but what is right is right
It influence many people as well as manipulate the ladder in a way that was not thought to be, or allowed. screwing customers is always bad, but when it's many people to be screwed there's surely the need to do something radical or expectional. Of course if it would just be one customers then leave him alone. is just 40$ of lost sales if he quits, so why caring.
that signet was hilarius to see this weekend
but what is right is right
Kook~NBK~
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Cake > pie.
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I applaud the decision to roll back the ladder. It was the best solution to a sticky situation. Many, many of those "guild battles" turned into a race to see who could wipe out the guild lord fastest and nothing more.
Red Locust
I think the biggest thing people got out of abusing signet of might was the crazy amount of faction/champ points gained from winning a high-ranked gvg every couple minutes. Losing a game or two will mean nothing for a guild's rating in the long run, tbh.
Pagan Greyfeather
It was an obvious exploit of a broken skill. Personally, I think the Guilds that ran it will self implode from guilt and the realization that without running the exploit they are, in fact, incapable of winning. But on the more important topic, carrot CAKE or pecan PIE. Hmmm. Tough choice there.
Clusmas
It is unfortunate that rating gain after the skill was fixed was lost as well.
Sinborn
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It was an obvious exploit of a broken skill. Personally, I think the Guilds that ran it will self implode from guilt and the realization that without running the exploit they are, in fact, incapable of winning. But on the more important topic, carrot CAKE or pecan PIE. Hmmm. Tough choice there.
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Now that we've veered off course, I think we've said all that has needed to be said. In the end, the true top-tier guilds will hit the top anyway, but the precautions made by A.net show that they are somewhat responsible, despite the glitches that occur. Such is the price of having a beta that influences the in-game product.
TomD22
Great, they did do a rollback after all. A fairly quick fix to the skill, and then a rollback to sort out the ladder. Nice one
Brustow
I'm glad to hear this.
ramma77
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
thanks anet
thanks anet
Lex Talionis
Good job Anet. You did a great thing rolling back the gvg ladder. Too many ppl took advantage of an unintentional bug to get where they didn't deserve to be.
Medion
It is good for the overall game that's for sure, but it doesn't personally make me very happy as we lost some of our (fairly earned) rating.
Then again, I'm not even close to be in a topguild, and I suppose those that would have been kicked out of the play-offs had the roll-back not occured are very happy.
Most of all, I'm happy with the quick action of Anet .
Then again, I'm not even close to be in a topguild, and I suppose those that would have been kicked out of the play-offs had the roll-back not occured are very happy.
Most of all, I'm happy with the quick action of Anet
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Eviance
I do feel for the guilds that got somewhere higher in the rankings the legit way, but I feel even worse for those who were knocked out by cheaters trying to get a leg up. And while I think that it likely would have sorted itself out in time I also think the rollback was also well and good and solved the issue much quicker.
GJ Anet!
GJ Anet!
Jetdoc
Excellent solution - it also shows that A-Net is willing to change PvP results related to exploits, which should discourage those guilds that are so quick to jump on that bandwagon.
Sir Skullcrasher
I guess we're lucky that this rollback don't change our ranking for PvP or HA.
UBS
The rollback was nessecery.
No guilds will be upset by this. What's 2 days compared to a season? They can just pick up from where they left, and everyone lies in the same boat. People who lost to this exploit deserve the rollback, and guilds should and will understand that. Afterall, GvG is about fun, not rank.
No guilds will be upset by this. What's 2 days compared to a season? They can just pick up from where they left, and everyone lies in the same boat. People who lost to this exploit deserve the rollback, and guilds should and will understand that. Afterall, GvG is about fun, not rank.
unienaule
I got the distinct impression that they didn't want to do this from Gaile's posts... oh well. Just goes to show that Anet's motto should be "Expect the unexpected," in a good way.
Btw, no, I don't have stacks of ectos and I don't do any powertrading. This just doesn't make any economic sense, to make all items of equal value.
Btw, no, I don't have stacks of ectos and I don't do any powertrading. This just doesn't make any economic sense, to make all items of equal value.
Yichi
quote i read in TA: "note to all offenders. go abuse it in HA as its much easier to get away with it seeing as it is much easier to rollback the ladder, than the servers...."
that comment made me utterly sick when i read it last night, but sadly as much as i hate to admit it, while its great to see that those that abused it in gvg got caught and fixed the problem, the guilds/players that abused this in halls, got away with it.
still though, great job with the rollback for the gvg ladder, was impressed when i read that was happening
that comment made me utterly sick when i read it last night, but sadly as much as i hate to admit it, while its great to see that those that abused it in gvg got caught and fixed the problem, the guilds/players that abused this in halls, got away with it.
still though, great job with the rollback for the gvg ladder, was impressed when i read that was happening
Lets Get to Healing
Wat was the eploit? I know some thing with Sig of might, but what?
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If it helps, consider this: When we rolled out the ill-gotten wins, for the guilds that were cheating the system, we also rolled out the undeserved losses for guilds that were rolled by those using the exploit. When I realized that, I felt much better.
On another forum a member provided a chart showing net effects of the adjustment/rollback, and it's good to see that the majority of guilds did not have a net effect at all. And in the end, I honestly and truly do not see a better solution to this problem. Do you? |
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labsenpai
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Many many things are inspired by our players. Including certain adorable Monks.
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Phoenix Arrows
What about rollback faction/fame? Not that I would want that...but if someone found the bug they could do Random Arenas with a Me/Rt with ---Keystone Signet--- (LOL) and Mantra of Signets and Inscriptions and such and rack up tons of faction.
Wait...nevermind...I earned like 4k faction during those times using Shock Sword...but perhaps in the future if a bug like this is found all PvP aspects should be rolled...I dunno.
Wait...nevermind...I earned like 4k faction during those times using Shock Sword...but perhaps in the future if a bug like this is found all PvP aspects should be rolled...I dunno.
Jim1
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Who else frowns upon a rollback other than someone who ran the exploit?
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ELO system would have eventually taken care of all the abusers on ladder, but great guilds like Capita Cerberi lost close to hundred points just because some lamers wanted to grief people and get fame / champion points.
Tark Alkerk
it was nesscary,
i know some players who left there guilds to take advantage of the expolits.
i know some players who left there guilds to take advantage of the expolits.
crimsonfilms
So the cheaters got their "rewards" (aka wins) taken back but not punished and those who did not use the exploit (non cheaters) got their wins taken back?
Rolling back the ladder is not punishment to cheaters you know. it is like taking the money back from a bank robber and letting them walk away.
So basically, the cheaters are not punished but the non-cheaters where?
Nice... really nice.
Rolling back the ladder is not punishment to cheaters you know. it is like taking the money back from a bank robber and letting them walk away.
So basically, the cheaters are not punished but the non-cheaters where?
Nice... really nice.
pigdestroyer
good job anet, my guild of course didnt take advantange of said exploit..
Jas D
Awesome, I'm glad they did this. Maybe people won't abuse a glitch again.