Hey, this is my first assassin and what I usually do with new characters is develope a build as I go.
It's not very good so I'm here to get some tips or find a build similar to mine...
Eh, A/W Build
Me And The Henchies
dgb
My first comment is on your equipment. -10 while attacking is pretty crazy on an assassin, you've dropped yourself down to squishy armour while sitting in the front line. Secondly sundering is garbage, if you want damage run vamp, but normally assassins prefer zealous for the energy management.
The combo doesn't make a lot of sense to me, I'd only take Palm Strike when I need a way to skip the lead attack, that's the beauty of it and why it's elite, but you're using it with a lead anyway.
The combo doesn't make a lot of sense to me, I'd only take Palm Strike when I need a way to skip the lead attack, that's the beauty of it and why it's elite, but you're using it with a lead anyway.
Me And The Henchies
Yeah, im still a bit noobish on my assassin. I got that dagger for 15k..I'm kinda on a limited budget other than that.
What daggers would you recommend?
I'l work on my skill choosing her ein a bit, I keep getting d/ced from GW, have been all day.
What daggers would you recommend?
I'l work on my skill choosing her ein a bit, I keep getting d/ced from GW, have been all day.
luxor9
get ceremonial daggers they've never let me down. Any zealous daggers will probably do fine.
a skill combo I often go back too is
unsuspecting strike
wild strike
critical strike
twisting fangs
rest is optional.. I was assuming this was for pve?
a skill combo I often go back too is
unsuspecting strike
wild strike
critical strike
twisting fangs
rest is optional.. I was assuming this was for pve?
Me And The Henchies
Yeah, me and pvp dont mix well.. Il work on getting some ceremonial daggers, il sell mine off I guess..
Yanman.be
Are you sure you have all attribute points?? 200/200?
Get Zealous 15>50 +30 slashing damage daggers ( like everthorn's chakrams )
Bring twisting fangs for more damage ( a simple Palm Strike-Twisting Fangs will do more damage than the combo you have now )
Throw away all skills you don't need to chain. For example, you take palm strike, why take a lead attack? Take res sig instead.
Get Zealous 15>50 +30 slashing damage daggers ( like everthorn's chakrams )
Bring twisting fangs for more damage ( a simple Palm Strike-Twisting Fangs will do more damage than the combo you have now )
Throw away all skills you don't need to chain. For example, you take palm strike, why take a lead attack? Take res sig instead.
Me And The Henchies
No, I dont think I have all 200...
Whats the difference in Everthorns chakrams and Ceremonial daggers besides type of physical damage?
Does the type of physical damage really make a difference?
Whats the difference in Everthorns chakrams and Ceremonial daggers besides type of physical damage?
Does the type of physical damage really make a difference?
Pick Me
Does anyone know if Wild Blow disrupts a chain?
If not, then this would be good:
Unsuspecting Strike
Wild Strike
Twisted Fangs
Wild Blow
Way Of Perfection
Critical Defenses
Shadow Refuge/Critical Strike
Rez Signet
The object is to keep up Critical Defenses, while gaining energy, doing damage, getting healed and removing stance defenses.
So its, Way of Perfection, Critical Defenses, US, WB, WS, TW. The recharge time for US is 4 seconds. The recharge time for WS is 4 seconds. The recharge time for WB is 5 seconds. With high Critical Strike attribute, you should be getting around 2 or 3 energy per critical strike. Wild Blow removes a stance, and does a critical strike, which re-energizes Critical Defenses (lasts for 6 seconds unless a critical strike it done, then it re-energizes for another 6 seconds, etc.).
This would work if Wild Blow doesn't disrupt the chains.
If not, then this would be good:
Unsuspecting Strike
Wild Strike
Twisted Fangs
Wild Blow
Way Of Perfection
Critical Defenses
Shadow Refuge/Critical Strike
Rez Signet
The object is to keep up Critical Defenses, while gaining energy, doing damage, getting healed and removing stance defenses.
So its, Way of Perfection, Critical Defenses, US, WB, WS, TW. The recharge time for US is 4 seconds. The recharge time for WS is 4 seconds. The recharge time for WB is 5 seconds. With high Critical Strike attribute, you should be getting around 2 or 3 energy per critical strike. Wild Blow removes a stance, and does a critical strike, which re-energizes Critical Defenses (lasts for 6 seconds unless a critical strike it done, then it re-energizes for another 6 seconds, etc.).
This would work if Wild Blow doesn't disrupt the chains.
wilebill
Pick Me has a good build there. Nightstalker armor will give you +10 armor while attacking, which in PvE you usually are.
Daggers: It's nice to have zealous daggers, and some vampiric daggers too. The end game daggers are good. Everthorn's Chakrams are probably what most people like most for zealous daggers, and Chkkr's Pincers are very good vampiric daggers. But there are stacks of daggers out there.
Daggers: It's nice to have zealous daggers, and some vampiric daggers too. The end game daggers are good. Everthorn's Chakrams are probably what most people like most for zealous daggers, and Chkkr's Pincers are very good vampiric daggers. But there are stacks of daggers out there.
joncoish
The build I use is pretty straight forward. Unsuspecting Strike, Wild Strike and Critical Strike is my spammable chain, and I bring Death Blossom to use whenever I can. Other then that I just have a self heal, I always have dash, and some shadowstepping which right now is Aura of Displacement, and critical eye for extra energy and damage.
If you buy the daggers from the weapons guy in Kaineng Center you get max damage as well as +15% whenever your health is above 50%. I think this is pretty nice because as an assassin, you shouldn't be taking much damage, so your health should be above 50% most times while you're attacking anyway. Add to that a handle of fortitude for some hps and a zealous dagger tang and you get extra hps and energy while attacking. Maybe a bit more pricey if you buy the pieces separately like that, but I don't know if I can think of another dagger with nice damage like that as well as a zealous component. Customize it and you get an extra 20%!
Edit: Heh my bad, ceremonial daggers are exactly the same. Ahh well :P
If you buy the daggers from the weapons guy in Kaineng Center you get max damage as well as +15% whenever your health is above 50%. I think this is pretty nice because as an assassin, you shouldn't be taking much damage, so your health should be above 50% most times while you're attacking anyway. Add to that a handle of fortitude for some hps and a zealous dagger tang and you get extra hps and energy while attacking. Maybe a bit more pricey if you buy the pieces separately like that, but I don't know if I can think of another dagger with nice damage like that as well as a zealous component. Customize it and you get an extra 20%!
Edit: Heh my bad, ceremonial daggers are exactly the same. Ahh well :P
lord_shar
The fastest raw-damage spammer I've developed for an A/W is my "hyper-sin" build. I haven't seen any other assassin build that can drop all 4 Isle-of-Nameless target dummies before the first one gets reset (sub-35 seconds total kill time).
If you want more defense, simply replace critical eye with watch yourself and allocate some attribute points to tactics...
If you want more defense, simply replace critical eye with watch yourself and allocate some attribute points to tactics...
tivaan stormbringer
Hint::::: wild blow does not disrupt the chain the recharge is 6 sec and the crit defense requires crit hit every 8 secs I use this as a base for a A/W biuld that I solo with all the time
Me And The Henchies
Is that build PvE? Cause thats what I'm going for.. If someone wants to help me ingame message me on Mmm Cakes..
lord_shar
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Is that build PvE? Cause thats what I'm going for.. If someone wants to help me ingame message me on Mmm Cakes..
If you're referring to my hyper-sin build, then yes, it's made for pve. The original thread is in the top builds sticky of this forum. The updated version from the latest patch is here:
http://forums.gwonline.net/showthrea...=414387&page=3
Attributes:
Dagger Mastery = 11
Deadly Arts = 2
Shadow Magic = 11 (for 9-regen shadow refuge), or 8 Shadow and 7 tactics if using Watch Yourself, or 11 tactics if using Healing-Sig
Critical Strikes = 13
Skills:
1 - Flurry
2 - Critical Eye, "Watch-Yourself!", or Bonetti's Defense
3 - Ususpecting Strike
4 - Wild Strike
5 - Critical Strike
6 - Moebius Strike {E}
7 - Twisting Fangs
8 - Shadow Refuge or Healing Signet
Equipment: zealous daggers of fortitude, or green ceremonial daggers. All minor runes on shrouded armor w/ saboteur gloves for higher life total and reduced bleeding.
http://forums.gwonline.net/showthrea...=414387&page=3
Attributes:
Dagger Mastery = 11
Deadly Arts = 2
Shadow Magic = 11 (for 9-regen shadow refuge), or 8 Shadow and 7 tactics if using Watch Yourself, or 11 tactics if using Healing-Sig
Critical Strikes = 13
Skills:
1 - Flurry
2 - Critical Eye, "Watch-Yourself!", or Bonetti's Defense
3 - Ususpecting Strike
4 - Wild Strike
5 - Critical Strike
6 - Moebius Strike {E}
7 - Twisting Fangs
8 - Shadow Refuge or Healing Signet
Equipment: zealous daggers of fortitude, or green ceremonial daggers. All minor runes on shrouded armor w/ saboteur gloves for higher life total and reduced bleeding.
Me And The Henchies
I'm not far enough to get Moebius Strike.
In the meantime il try selling my daggers so I can afford some Ceremonial Daggers or Everthorns Chakrams, how much should I sell mine off for? I'm not good with prices..
In the meantime il try selling my daggers so I can afford some Ceremonial Daggers or Everthorns Chakrams, how much should I sell mine off for? I'm not good with prices..
lord_shar
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I'm not far enough to get Moebius Strike.
In the meantime il try selling my daggers so I can afford some Ceremonial Daggers or Everthorns Chakrams, how much should I sell mine off for? I'm not good with prices.. You can go with this skill set if Moebius Strike is not available:
1 - Flurry
2 - Critical Eye, "Watch-Yourself!", or Bonetti's Defense
3 - Ususpecting Strike
4 - Wild Strike
5 - Horns of the Ox*
6 - Falling Spider*
7 - Critical Strike*
8 - Shadow Refuge or Healing Signet
*edited skill slots
This lets you land a 5-hit combo's while still generating energy at the end of the attack sequence. Although it won't cycle as fast, it still generates high damage over a short time frame.
In the meantime il try selling my daggers so I can afford some Ceremonial Daggers or Everthorns Chakrams, how much should I sell mine off for? I'm not good with prices.. You can go with this skill set if Moebius Strike is not available:
1 - Flurry
2 - Critical Eye, "Watch-Yourself!", or Bonetti's Defense
3 - Ususpecting Strike
4 - Wild Strike
5 - Horns of the Ox*
6 - Falling Spider*
7 - Critical Strike*
8 - Shadow Refuge or Healing Signet
*edited skill slots
This lets you land a 5-hit combo's while still generating energy at the end of the attack sequence. Although it won't cycle as fast, it still generates high damage over a short time frame.
Me And The Henchies
Mmk, so.. do you have the skills set up to where you do your combos and stuff just by pressing the skills in order? Some people mix up skills on their bar and stuff.
P.S.- I'm not so good with setting up combos and stuff... So I wouldnt be able to figue it out myself.
P.S.- I'm not so good with setting up combos and stuff... So I wouldnt be able to figue it out myself.
lord_shar
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Mmk, so.. do you have the skills set up to where you do your combos and stuff just by pressing the skills in order? Some people mix up skills on their bar and stuff.
P.S.- I'm not so good with setting up combos and stuff... So I wouldnt be able to figue it out myself. Just flurry and attack away! If you use Critical Eye or Watch-Yourself, you can press 1 and 2 whenever they are available, then hit 3-7 in sequence until the target is dead. Apply healing with button #8 whenever necessary.
If using Bonetti's Defense, just press button #2 whenever you need energy, blocking, or both.
Flurry + double-strikes is what fuels this build's kill speed. Just keep this in mind whenever your assassin attacks any target.
P.S.- I'm not so good with setting up combos and stuff... So I wouldnt be able to figue it out myself. Just flurry and attack away! If you use Critical Eye or Watch-Yourself, you can press 1 and 2 whenever they are available, then hit 3-7 in sequence until the target is dead. Apply healing with button #8 whenever necessary.
If using Bonetti's Defense, just press button #2 whenever you need energy, blocking, or both.
Flurry + double-strikes is what fuels this build's kill speed. Just keep this in mind whenever your assassin attacks any target.
Me And The Henchies
Do I absolutley NEED shrouded/sabotuer armor?
I just got my Exotic Nightstalker armor and im low on cash now..
I just got my Exotic Nightstalker armor and im low on cash now..
lord_shar
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Do I absolutley NEED shrouded/sabotuer armor?
I just got my Exotic Nightstalker armor and im low on cash now.. No, you don't absolutely need shrouded armor. The extra energy does help in pulling off more energy-hungry attack skills, but shrouded should not be necessary so long as you have at least 5 energy by the time you activate Critical Strike.
I just got my Exotic Nightstalker armor and im low on cash now.. No, you don't absolutely need shrouded armor. The extra energy does help in pulling off more energy-hungry attack skills, but shrouded should not be necessary so long as you have at least 5 energy by the time you activate Critical Strike.
Honking Donkey
I noticed somthing about your build, you don't seem to have a way of entering and escaping. I think you should really consider using a skill like Aura of Displacement for your elite. If you don't want to use up you elite skill on Aura of Displacement, Deaths Charge is just as good. You can also use a combination of Shadow of Haste and Dash/Dark Escape/Spring because since you end Shadow of haste with another stance, you can escape at will like you would with aura of displacement.
Combowise, you can use a modified Hotstepper build. The basic combo goes like this: Golden Pheonix Strike, Horns of Ox, Falling Spider, Twisting Fangs but before you start the combo you MUST enchant yourself or the combo will not work. You start with an offhand attack so it opens up even more combos. If you dont want to go the enchanted way, you can use the above build except swap GPS with Black Lotus Strike. That takes a REALLY long time to recharge but it gives energy so you really wouldnt get much trouble getting your combo interupted because you ran out of energy.
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Combowise, you can use a modified Hotstepper build. The basic combo goes like this: Golden Pheonix Strike, Horns of Ox, Falling Spider, Twisting Fangs but before you start the combo you MUST enchant yourself or the combo will not work. You start with an offhand attack so it opens up even more combos. If you dont want to go the enchanted way, you can use the above build except swap GPS with Black Lotus Strike. That takes a REALLY long time to recharge but it gives energy so you really wouldnt get much trouble getting your combo interupted because you ran out of energy.
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My first comment is on your equipment. -10 while attacking is pretty crazy on an assassin
I agree with what you say but there is a way to avoid that. Use Critical Defences with Wild Blow. You can keep up wild blow with every critical Strike and you can basically hold your own against a bunch of warriors with these two skills alone.
It's not easy being an assassin. Dont worry about feeling like a newbie because of your combo. The more you play as an assassin, the better you develop your build. Just stick with it and youll be pissing off casters in no time.
It's not easy being an assassin. Dont worry about feeling like a newbie because of your combo. The more you play as an assassin, the better you develop your build. Just stick with it and youll be pissing off casters in no time.
Me And The Henchies
I'm not far enough to get any elite skill besides Palm Strike.
So getting AoD would be kind of hard for me at the moment.
So getting AoD would be kind of hard for me at the moment.
XxUberMonkeyxX
iono if anyone has mention this combo b4 but i like running it,
palm strike - horns of the ox - falling spider - twising fangs with that you should be able to do a huge amount of damage plus adding deep wound, bleeding, and poison, in the case that you get AoD already you could try using (Golden pheonix strike - horns of the ox - falling spider - twisting fangs) the diffrence between the 2 combo is that you can do a hit and run on 1 target by simply using AoD to get in, and execute as follows GPS HoX FS TF then taking off AoD to get out of the mess you got urself in
or if you want to be use Warrior skills go with the (Shove*warrior elite* - falling spider - twisting fangs) but thats more along the lines of PvP or the famous shock-sin which is basically the same but uses shock instead of shove
palm strike - horns of the ox - falling spider - twising fangs with that you should be able to do a huge amount of damage plus adding deep wound, bleeding, and poison, in the case that you get AoD already you could try using (Golden pheonix strike - horns of the ox - falling spider - twisting fangs) the diffrence between the 2 combo is that you can do a hit and run on 1 target by simply using AoD to get in, and execute as follows GPS HoX FS TF then taking off AoD to get out of the mess you got urself in
or if you want to be use Warrior skills go with the (Shove*warrior elite* - falling spider - twisting fangs) but thats more along the lines of PvP or the famous shock-sin which is basically the same but uses shock instead of shove
Me And The Henchies
Is that for pvp? Cause I'm really looking for something along the lines of pve...
I'm going to try Lord_Shar's build
I'm going to try Lord_Shar's build
Me And The Henchies
Lord_Shar, what atr should I use?
I sold my daggers for some Ceremonial Daggers+15k
I sold my daggers for some Ceremonial Daggers+15k
lord_shar
Here's what I recommend for attributes:
Dagger Mastery - 11
Deadly Arts - 2
Shadow Arts - 11 (or 10 Beast-mastery if you're going with ranger using Tiger's Fury)
Critical Strike - 13
Since you don't have access to Prophecies, you'll have to modify the build around Canthan-only skills. A ranger secondary is a reasonable substitute.
Dagger Mastery - 11
Deadly Arts - 2
Shadow Arts - 11 (or 10 Beast-mastery if you're going with ranger using Tiger's Fury)
Critical Strike - 13
Since you don't have access to Prophecies, you'll have to modify the build around Canthan-only skills. A ranger secondary is a reasonable substitute.
Me And The Henchies
Where do I change my 2nd proffession? I'm only at Kaineng..
lord_shar
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Where do I change my 2nd proffession? I'm only at Kaineng..
***SPOILER***
After you pass Nahpui Quarter's mission.
After you pass Nahpui Quarter's mission.
Me And The Henchies
How far would that be?
lord_shar
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How far would that be?
Just south of the Marketplace, but you can't get into that area until you finish the quests that lead you there (finding the Oracle).
Me And The Henchies
Mmk, well so far using your build without Flurry is fine, I'm trying to use Tiger Stance but it isnt very long and I cant make it better because it's a strength skill.
I did some work in the undercity finishing 2 quests and it works well so far, thanks alot.
I tried killing the 4 dummies on the isle of the nameless without any of them rezzing before I was done and it worked
I did some work in the undercity finishing 2 quests and it works well so far, thanks alot.
I tried killing the 4 dummies on the isle of the nameless without any of them rezzing before I was done and it worked
Yanman.be
How about kd+ "on your knees" so you can renew tiger stance? If you really really want to...
Spura
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The fastest raw-damage spammer I've developed for an A/W is my "hyper-sin" build. I haven't seen any other assassin build that can drop all 4 Isle-of-Nameless target dummies before the first one gets reset (sub-35 seconds total kill time).
I managed to kill all 4 with one of those Flourish builds.
Moebius is better than Flourish in that regard because it does damage and recharges skill at the same time while you have to stop for flourish. But I found in pvp Moebius is not as good as Flourish, often target gets healed and is not under 50%, so I prefer Flourish, even though it kills lifeless dummies a bit slower.
Moebius is better than Flourish in that regard because it does damage and recharges skill at the same time while you have to stop for flourish. But I found in pvp Moebius is not as good as Flourish, often target gets healed and is not under 50%, so I prefer Flourish, even though it kills lifeless dummies a bit slower.
Me And The Henchies
I have an idea..
I tried this and it worked to kep me alive much much better.
Instead of a attack speed increase skill, use way of perfection.
It heals you everytime you hit with a critical hit.
This is just an idea though..
I tried this and it worked to kep me alive much much better.
Instead of a attack speed increase skill, use way of perfection.
It heals you everytime you hit with a critical hit.
This is just an idea though..