Livingston's Guide to becoming a Grandmaster Elonian Cartographer! (No Map checks!)

Oisin X

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2007

this is getting really frustrating now, i went carefully wall hugging every area and got 98.2% cant seem to find out where ive gone wrong

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...in89/gw010.jpg

any help would be greatly appreciated

SnipiousMax

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

*****IMPORTANT NOTE*****
This thread is now closed for Map requests.

If there is someone who is interested in doing map checks, please pm me and we'll see if we can't do something else. But there are so many map requests that legitimate questions are getting drowned out. In the meantime, if you want to get a map check, you'll have to read up on how to do it yourself, or pay someone who's running a service (check ventari's). But this is a notice that all further map requests will be deleted (in this thread specifically and more so in a separate thread.)

*****EVEN MORE IMPORTANT EDIT*****

To Clarify, I'm not doing map checks. Don't PM me with map checks.

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

How do I compare two images for differences in Irfanview? I cant figure out how

SnipiousMax

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by ddust
Hello Guys, i hope this might help you guys to check where u missed.
Holy Crap ddust I missed that map completely! That is a freaking awsome post! I'll link it to the OP, and if it turns out we revamp the map threads I'll be sure to include it!

ddust

ddust

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

W/

Thank you, greatly appreciate it. Its my pleasure to help & hope you all like it

shanaya

shanaya

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Scouts of Tyria

R/

I'm struggling at 98.5% in Elona at the moment.

A couple of questions:

1. Is it possible to get to 100% without mapping the Remains of Sahlahja Challenge Mission areas? I just HATE this mission, more than anything else in GW.

2. The big map shown above, by ddust, does not have any red dots in Gandara, The Moon Fortress (though it seems to be all unfogged). Does this mean that 100% is attainable without mapping this area?

tommarrow

tommarrow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Shyft Machine [MYTH]

E/

You will need Gandara the Moon fortress but you can only get inside it during a mission.
I would not recommend skipping Remains of Sahlahja since it is a very large area worth 0.3% or more. You can do it in stages so that you don't have to worry about being chased through the whole thing.

SnipiousMax

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by shanaya
I'm struggling at 98.5% in Elona at the moment.

A couple of questions:

1. Is it possible to get to 100% without mapping the Remains of Sahlahja Challenge Mission areas? I just HATE this mission, more than anything else in GW.
That mission was kinda a pain, I think I made four or five trips through it on two seperate occasion, but it's much less of a pain than looking for scraps elsewhere.

Limp

Limp

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guild Waraholics Anonymous

Mo/N

Thanks to everyone who contributed to the cartographer threads!

Im glad thats over!

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

And another one for me!

Thanks for the advice in previous threads (for Cantha and Tyria) ...
... but I managed to do this one pretty much alone by the same methods, with a little help from Texmod and my girlfriend.... ^_^

Friday

Friday

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

[DVDF]

Quote:
Originally Posted by shanaya
1. Is it possible to get to 100% without mapping the Remains of Sahlahja Challenge Mission areas? I just HATE this mission, more than anything else in GW. Ditto.

I am stuck at 99.3% and have failed at this mission so many times that I have just resigned myself to not getting the Elona title. I suck big time with this mission and end up frustrated and angry and going off GW for a few days every time I try to get this area mapped.

I have tried the suggestions on how to get through this mission, but when I can't do something like this solo, it just stays undone. So far I have succeeded in opening one door only - thats how much I suck at this mission!

This is the only mission area in GW that I have not been able to map with success. And my hatred for this mission is now beyond bounds.

-.-

SnipiousMax

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

^^ you don't have to worry about preforming well enough to get all the door's open. It's somewhat easier (and mightly less frustrating) to get one door open, and map everything you can, then restart the mission until you get another door open that you haven't mapped yet.

Friday

Friday

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

[DVDF]

Hi Snipe

The few times I have actually got a door to open, it has always been the same door -.-

You have no idea how much I suck at this mission lol

Don't ask me why - I have managed to H&H Elona to the finish (which was pre-NM nerf of the Realms!) so I cannot understand my inability to get this mission beat ...

Oh well - back to practicing how to kill Greater Infestations before I get my fate handed to me by a see through, chaos axe wielding terror...

SnipiousMax

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Friday
You have no idea how much I suck at this mission lol

Don't ask me why - I have managed to H&H Elona to the finish (which was pre-NM nerf of the Realms!) so I cannot understand my inability to get this mission beat ...
Nah, it's easily one of the more challenging missions in the game. It quite honestly took me a long time to finish mapping the misison out. I'd play it until I got frustrated with it, try mapping elsewhere till I got irritated with that, then come back to it.

Did you look at this guide here? It was a big help when I was working on ths title. It's been a bit since I've played the mission, but I think there was a pattern that you could follow (movements + skill combos) that worked for me. I'll see if I can't digg it out again.

Arie900

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2007

Ok, I'm pretty much stuck at 90.5%. Maybe any of you can help me out?

Links and request removed by snipe

Friday

Friday

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

[DVDF]

Arie - Thats a lot of map still left. You will need to start off by going back and scraping the walls in each outpost and each area.

Are you using your mouse to move along the walls? If so, stop it, lol

Some tips for you:

Use your keyboard movement to WALK along the walls. You will not find all the little nooks and crannies with mouse movement. And do WALK - don't run the 45 deg method - you will miss some spots.

I found myself getting into all sorts of trouble by getting hypnotised by the wall and forgetting I'm actually going to come face to face with those red dots... so what I now do is clear a nice long area of edge/wall of all foes. then peg H&H at my end spot - then go back and mouse walk the wall till I reach my H&H.

Sometimes you will need to double back on yourself to open up a small area - and sometimes a small area is opened from a diagonal angle not directly from in front of the spot you want to open.

Also make sure you check that the middle of an area is completely unfogged - it's easy to get focussed on the wall hugging and forget the center of each area.

Another commonly missed area is the zone-in spot. Most times you zone into an area quite a bit into the area from the gate itself. When you zone in, go back to the gate and do the walls right up to the gate.

Hope this helps. I'm still stuck at 99.3% of Elona and just the Sahlajah mission area to do get done - *cries

Snograt

Snograt

rattus rattus

Join Date: Jan 2006

London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST

[GURU]GW [wiki]GW2

R/

Do you guys think there's anything especially quirky about Elonan mapping? I whizzed through Tyria and Cantha with very few problems, but I've been stuck at 99.2% for ages. I think I've pretty much done Sahlahja as far as I can see, but now the close scrutiny is starting to give me migraines!

Hmm, might give that TexMod thingie some scrutiny...

SnipiousMax

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

^^ You're not alone. Of the three, Elona gave me the most problems, and I played through the game mapping as I went along.

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

I finally finished off Elona.. there's about 1-1.5% leeway allowed.

This also means I can finally submit my information for Elona mapping help.

Next stop, Eye of the North!

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THE TOOLS:

AVISYNTH -- http://downloads.sourceforge.net/avi...6&big_mirror=0


VIRTUALDUB -- http://downloads.sourceforge.net/vir...8&big_mirror=0

TEXMOD + MOD -- http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=457255

100% Tyria Map (1024x768) -- http://home.sprynet.com/~asrial/MapWork/1024-Tyria.jpg

100% Tyria Map (1280x1024) -- http://home.sprynet.com/~asrial/MapWork/1280-Tyria.jpg

100% Cantha Map (1024x768) -- http://home.sprynet.com/~asrial/MapWork/1024-Cantha.jpg

100% Cantha Map (1280x1024) --
http://home.sprynet.com/~asrial/MapWork/1280-Cantha.jpg

100% Elona Map (1024x768) --
http://home.sprynet.com/~asrial/MapWork/1024-Elona.jpg

100% Elona Map (1280x1024) --
http://home.sprynet.com/~asrial/MapWork/1280-Elona.jpg

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Download AviSynth, VirtualDub, TexMod, and the Mapping Mod made by Tiyuri.

Make a text script titled "whateveryouwant.avs" and in it, put this text:

(text start; do not put this in)

a = ImageSource("insert location and full name of 100% map here",end=0).Subtitle("baseline")

b = ImageSource("insert location and full name of non-100% map here",end=0)

c = overlay(b,a,mode="difference")

a + b + c

(text end; do not put this in)

Run Guild Wars with the mapping mod and take a 1024 screenshot of your map. Run VirtualDub and load the avs file (via OPEN VIDEO FILE) and go through the 3 screenshots and find your missing areas.

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The concept is this...

You create as clean a screenshot as you can and compare it to a 100% screenshot made using the same process.

Using VirtualDub allows you to flip back and forth ALOT faster than any other program out there PLUS it allows a comparison to be made. Anything that shows up in a light blue/white color, in the third frame, is an area that has a discrepancy. You can then focus your eyes on that spot and go back to the two prior frames to determine if it's on the 100% map or yours.

Further, as you progress clearing areas, all you need to do is make a new screenshot and replace the file location in the avs file and hit F5 in VirtualDub to refresh the file load.

Quick and painless.

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VirtualDub is the program used to do the comparison and picture viewing.

AviSynth is used to install the scripting language for the text file loaded into VirtualDub.

TexMod and the Mod is used to create the best screenshot possible.

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I also have a request...

If anyone finds spots that THEY have uncovered but I don't, please let me know.

CURRENT AREAS NOT CONCERNED WITH: The areas you reach by being banished by Shiro and the area you reach by Necrotic Traversal when Evennia dies by poison.

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

Are there any 'glitch' areas in Elona? I don't remember encountering any.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

I've completed Elona yesterday evening, and got GMC with it. Compared to Tyria and Cantha it was a walk in the park.

I've done all 3 continents without texmod, just used a 100% map on another pc to compare while I was exploring an area, just to be sure to have not missed anything.

Tyria is huge, and the difficulty is given by the fact that most of explorable territory is inside missions. The fog is sometimes difficult to distinguish.

Cantha is the worst, it's full of tricky spots, the fog is horrible, it becomes very easy if you are so lucky to enter JQ and Monastery Overlook, otherwise is a pain.

Elona is perfect, the fog is very clear and there are no strange spots, I did it very carefully after the Cantha experience but it's not required.
The only frustrating thing is the competitive mission, I spent one hour there and only 3 of 4 doors opened, was at 99.9% looking fot that damned 0.1% then I found a small corner inside the main area and boom

Petra Arkanian

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

W/Mo

Asrial - I would like to try that method but being a totally untechnical i cant work it out. I have downloaded ok but when i try to run texmod nothing happens. I am unsure whether I have managed to unzip it as doing so creates a new folder with just the file cartogropher.tpf in it. Am I missing something?

critical dagg3rz

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Omg My House Is On Fire [brb]

A/

omg u surely wrote alot!!

Snograt

Snograt

rattus rattus

Join Date: Jan 2006

London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST

[GURU]GW [wiki]GW2

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra Arkanian
Asrial - I would like to try that method but being a totally untechnical i cant work it out. I have downloaded ok but when i try to run texmod nothing happens. I am unsure whether I have managed to unzip it as doing so creates a new folder with just the file cartogropher.tpf in it. Am I missing something?
That particular .zip should contain the .tpf file you mentioned and the TexMod executable itself (texmod.exe?).

The bit that confused me initially was AVISynth, as you don't actually do anything with it (it's not a program, rather a scripting language, I believe), but you MUST install it, otherwise the other progs and mods won't "synergise"

[Edit] - thanks, Asrial. Three hours with that mod and I went from 99.2% to 100% and Legendary Cartographer. This is an awesomely useful mod and technique that I would recommend to anyone.

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra Arkanian
Asrial - I would like to try that method but being a totally untechnical i cant work it out. I have downloaded ok but when i try to run texmod nothing happens. I am unsure whether I have managed to unzip it as doing so creates a new folder with just the file cartogropher.tpf in it. Am I missing something? Open TexMod and click on the large folder icon in the upper left. Browse to your GW.EXE file and double click it.

Click on the smaller folder icon in the middle and browse to CARTOGRAPHER.TPF (should be included in the zip with TexMod) and double click it.

Click the run button.

This will run Guild Wars with the TexMod modification in place, and when you look at your map, all unexplored areas will be green.

Don't worry, this isn't damaging or changing Guild Wars. If you want Guild Wars back to normal, just exit and run Guild Wars normally.

..and yes, AviSynth is JUST a scripting language (used for video editing, but it has other features as well). If you don't install AviSynth, VirtualDub won't know what to do with the .avs file you created.

idicious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Holland

LoD

P/W

Just got elonian gmc this week. My advice to those trying to get it is be extremely systimatic about it. Today/this week Istan, than all of Kourna etc. It also gives you inbetween goals so it seems a bit less massive a task.

Like this I went from 80 to 100% in two days without having to re-scrape anything. Be thurough, dont rush the areas or you will regret having to re-scrape alot of walls in search of the last few .1%

To close off I'd like to say good luck to all those going for the title, with patience and diligence you'll make it :-)

blink182now

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2007

Gangstar Unit

W/Mo

right, im new to gw forums and gw wuru so can someone explain what na thread is pleasssseee??


thanks... n e way



i have found 75% of the elonan map but i dot know where to look now. there s a place called the dymestic tombs and i have NO idea how to get to it. if someone could PLEASE help me out it would really be kwl.

and how do i get ot the town Dasher vestibule?!?!?!

please help me guys=] thnks

Friday

Friday

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

[DVDF]

Blink,

75% means you have A LOT more map to uncover. You will need to start off by going back and scraping the walls in each outpost and each area.

Some tips for you:

Use your keyboard movement to WALK along the walls. You will not find all the little nooks and crannies with mouse movement. And do WALK - don't run the 45 deg method - you will miss some spots.

Sometimes you will need to double back on yourself to open up a small area - and sometimes a small area is opened from a diagonal angle not directly from in front of the spot you want to open.

Also make sure you check that the middle of an area is completely unfogged - it's easy to get focussed on the wall hugging and forget the center of each area.

Another commonly missed area is the zone-in spot. Most times you zone into an area quite a bit into the area from the gate itself. When you zone in, go back to the gate and do the walls right up to the gate.

And don't forget to scrape the walls in each town and outpost.

Good Luck.

blink182now

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2007

Gangstar Unit

W/Mo

ohhhh ok thank you.=]

last night i went all around thr bottom of kourner and i also did a large part of the top part of the desolation. i think i still have the dynestic crypts to do but i dnt know how to get there!? if someone oculd please help...it would be much oblidged.

in any case im on 82% now and i feel determind to get it all


=]

blink182now

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2007

Gangstar Unit

W/Mo

oh and does the realm of torment go twards the %??


coz i thought it didnt but someone said it did??
=]

Grenths Entropy

Grenths Entropy

Banned

Join Date: May 2007

Edinburgh, Scotland

Guild Hopping [FTW]

Mo/

no RoT doesnt count towars the cartographer title.
Btw thanks asrial. Your above post helped me get GMC on 2 characters^^
Tane

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

No problem Grenths Entropy

Congratulations on your cartography!

Friday

Friday

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

[DVDF]



100% Elona last night!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YaY

*after just slogging away at that -.- Salhlajah mission for a few days

Tahlia Tane

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

W/

This is absolutely ridiculous. I have 99.3% and there are such little parts of the world, it's incredible hard. It's unbelievable. Tyria and Cantha were incredibly easy compared to this. It's just stupid!!!

Kattar

Kattar

EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING

Join Date: Mar 2007

SMS (lolgw2placeholder)

Me/

@ Astral: Thanks I'm gonna try texmod tonight. I need like 5.4% more, so hopefully this will do it.

Petra Arkanian

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

W/Mo

Thanks for the help Asrial and Snograt.

I hate to sound like a useless female but as I said am hopelessly untechnical........

I was quite proud of myself for finally realising that McAfee was quarantining texmod, and even prouder when I finally managed to bypass it (and the pc is still working).

but having got as far as working out what a text script is (I think), I am now getting
'sylia script error variable not found'
when i try to run virtual dub.

Do you have any idea what I am doing wrong?

my text reads....

a = ImageSource("C:\Documents and Settings\Petra\My Documents\My Pictures\1024-Elona 100%",end=0).Subtitle("baseline")

b = ImageSource("C:\Program Files\Guild Wars\Screens\gw219",end=0)

c = overlay(b,a,mode="difference")

a + b + c

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

Take out the % on "1024-Elona 100%" (make sure to rename the picture itself too) and also add .jpg

Add .jpg to gw219

NOTE: this is assuming the two files are JPG files and not something else.

Petra Arkanian

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

W/Mo

Thks Asrial
yes they were not both jpg's - but they are now and I had completely forgotten the file extensions.
However I have fixed that and I am still getting the same error msg.

my text file now reads
a = ImageSource("C:\Documents and Settings\Petra\My Documents\My Pictures\1024-Elona 100.jpg",end=0).Subtitle("baseline")

b = ImageSource("C:\Documents and Settings\Petra\My Documents\My Pictures\gw219.jpg",end=0)

c = overlay(b,a,mode="difference")

a + b + c

just to set the context I had over 96% elona just playing thru 4 months ago. And after spending weeks on the challenge mission (yes I am hopeless at that too) I was at 99 before posting here. After my first post I gave up on the map and re-edged the game. So whatever I have missed now I have missed twice. I would be grateful for any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong.

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

That is definitely peculiar. I can't re-create the error situation so I'm not sure what's going on with it.

AviSynth installed = check.

VirtualDub = check.

Proper Script = check.

Planets Aligned = ?

EDIT: Is the script a NOTEPAD text file and not say WordPad or Word or anything? Word wrap is off?