i thought spear - wielders were short ranged melee ??? like diablo 2, tat amazon is soo cool, theres a skill tat uses lightning and stab/jab enemies faster and like dyanstywarriors, theres this guy uses spear and he goes slack and hash the enemy, but in this game the paragon AHEM.... THROW THE SPEAR????????????? the spear animation even sucks!!! when da paragon throws it, it spawns back to its hand i mean wth??????
im still getting nightfall but this is a really BIG letdown for me, da assassin was fun in factions and thought paragons will be funner to play in nightfall! yes whoever wants me argue about paragons, i mean paragons doesnt suck-suck, their skills and game style are good but i expected the paragon to have at least Pike, Bardiche, etc weapons that go for short ranged melee. and i dont wanna play dervishes. I WANT PARAGON TO BE REBORN AND REMADE BY ANET!!!!
very dissapointed of paragons during event!
chicks boy
logan90
1. You thought wrong. A spear is a weapon which is thrown in most cases. It is sometimes used for close combat but it is more commonly thrown.
2. Short range polearms are not spears. The spear is the ancestor of the polearm, not the category a polearm is in.
3. There is no reason for a spear-wielder to have a Pike when they are designed to be long-range fighters.
4. It will never be remade. It has already been made correctly.
2. Short range polearms are not spears. The spear is the ancestor of the polearm, not the category a polearm is in.
3. There is no reason for a spear-wielder to have a Pike when they are designed to be long-range fighters.
4. It will never be remade. It has already been made correctly.
Pkest
I felt right at home with my Paragon during the PVE. Reminded me quite fondly of my of my dual ethereal Titan's Revenge wielding Javazon
Former Ruling
You fail to see what a Spear is.
A Spear is a light, midlength shaft and a Point at the tip. Javalins and Pilums are prime examples you would be able to look up. Spears were used all over that part of the world by Hunters. There are Heavy Spears that would be used for Thrusting at the enemy to try to impale them (imagine hunters taking down a large animal, some would throw spears into the animal, and when it was weakened larger guys would come in and Impale the animal with larger spears to finish it off), but these aren't what you are talking about, and they would be poor weapons for real combat.
What you want are Polearms (melee ranged weapons with long shafts and bladed ends) like a Pike or Halberd.
But saddly, Paragons were advertised as SPEARMEN, not weilders of Polearms. So I dont get where you are coming from.
A Spear is a light, midlength shaft and a Point at the tip. Javalins and Pilums are prime examples you would be able to look up. Spears were used all over that part of the world by Hunters. There are Heavy Spears that would be used for Thrusting at the enemy to try to impale them (imagine hunters taking down a large animal, some would throw spears into the animal, and when it was weakened larger guys would come in and Impale the animal with larger spears to finish it off), but these aren't what you are talking about, and they would be poor weapons for real combat.
What you want are Polearms (melee ranged weapons with long shafts and bladed ends) like a Pike or Halberd.
But saddly, Paragons were advertised as SPEARMEN, not weilders of Polearms. So I dont get where you are coming from.
Drithlan
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Originally Posted by Former Ruling
What you want are Polearms (melee ranged weapons with long shafts and bladed ends) like a Pike or Halberd.
Or a Scythe is also in this catagory.
Pkest
Polearms don't really make good individual combat weapons in any case. They were used either to reach mounted calvary or in a phalanx of some sort to create an impenetrable wall of death.
Evilsod
Jesus christ stop murdering the English language!
Didn't you even play a Paragon during the PvP event??? Or take no notice at all to the Packhunters rampaging around. Or even talk to someone who did?
I don't get it, why are you getting Nightfall if you think Paragons suck purely because you've played too much Diablo 2 and don't wanna play a Dervish?
Didn't you even play a Paragon during the PvP event??? Or take no notice at all to the Packhunters rampaging around. Or even talk to someone who did?
I don't get it, why are you getting Nightfall if you think Paragons suck purely because you've played too much Diablo 2 and don't wanna play a Dervish?
Opeth11
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
I don't get it, why are you getting Nightfall if you think Paragons suck purely because you've played too much Diablo 2 and don't wanna play a Dervish?
Maybe for the new content? I don't know, but that's just a hunch.
Master Fuhon
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Originally Posted by chicks boy
...theres this guy uses spear and he goes slack and hash...
...paragons will be funner to play...
...paragons doesnt suck-suck... Wow, I can't believe I actually learned something from reading this. Not the stuff I quoted. I had never heard of a Bardiche before.
...paragons will be funner to play...
...paragons doesnt suck-suck... Wow, I can't believe I actually learned something from reading this. Not the stuff I quoted. I had never heard of a Bardiche before.
Mystic_Karnas
But guyses, da paragons bees nots lots of spearsa!
Anyway, on the actual proposed topic of discussion, I personally am not disappointed at all with the paragon. Of what I've played of the paragon, they seem to be a very fun support character, and could be a good secondary for an orders necro. Albeit, that's one possibility, but what I'm getting at is that, even though they don't deal as much damage as a 'sin or warrior, they look to be a very promising class, especially when taking into account the chants and whatnot.
Anyway, on the actual proposed topic of discussion, I personally am not disappointed at all with the paragon. Of what I've played of the paragon, they seem to be a very fun support character, and could be a good secondary for an orders necro. Albeit, that's one possibility, but what I'm getting at is that, even though they don't deal as much damage as a 'sin or warrior, they look to be a very promising class, especially when taking into account the chants and whatnot.
Dahl
It doesn't just magically appear back in his hand, he pulls it from his back. I think he should have a quiver though, as should the rangers.
Monkity Monk
who cares where it comes from as long as they dont run out
Darksun
As several have pointed out, you don't know what a spear is.
The Paragon is a commander, he can't be right up against the enemy, he needs to be back a bit, see all the action, buff his troops, & support with the spear.
The Paragon is a commander, he can't be right up against the enemy, he needs to be back a bit, see all the action, buff his troops, & support with the spear.
ubermancer
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Originally Posted by chicks boy
i thought spear - wielders were short ranged melee ??? like diablo 2, tat amazon is soo cool, theres a skill tat uses lightning and stab/jab enemies faster and like dyanstywarriors, theres this guy uses spear and he goes slack and hash the enemy
Basing your assumptions in Diablo 2 = PRICELESS
chicks boy
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
Jesus christ stop murdering the English language!
Didn't you even play a Paragon during the PvP event??? Or take no notice at all to the Packhunters rampaging around. Or even talk to someone who did?
I don't get it, why are you getting Nightfall if you think Paragons suck purely because you've played too much Diablo 2 and don't wanna play a Dervish? ya i played paragons on pvp, it was fun but still dissapointed of the range thingy for paragons.
im still getting factions for new content and get my chaacters there to get new skills thats all d
Didn't you even play a Paragon during the PvP event??? Or take no notice at all to the Packhunters rampaging around. Or even talk to someone who did?
I don't get it, why are you getting Nightfall if you think Paragons suck purely because you've played too much Diablo 2 and don't wanna play a Dervish? ya i played paragons on pvp, it was fun but still dissapointed of the range thingy for paragons.
im still getting factions for new content and get my chaacters there to get new skills thats all d
Pocketlint
I liked paragon, made me wanna watch the movie Troy...
although they didn't do as much damage as I would have liked, it does have benefits of being behind the front lines but in front of the casters, such as any backup emergency healing and continued use of chants/shouts.
although they didn't do as much damage as I would have liked, it does have benefits of being behind the front lines but in front of the casters, such as any backup emergency healing and continued use of chants/shouts.
Apok Omen
1- This is not Diablo, FF, WoW, Runescape, or any other RPG that yu have played; this is GUILD WARS!!
2- Um, I am pretty sure that Anet did not make Paragons just for you, chicks, they made it for party buffs and added Spear attacks just for a little taste.
3- Please speak intellegently, not in all lower case and ''shortcut typing''.
4- This is Guild Wars...
5- This is not Diablo
Is this clear?
2- Um, I am pretty sure that Anet did not make Paragons just for you, chicks, they made it for party buffs and added Spear attacks just for a little taste.
3- Please speak intellegently, not in all lower case and ''shortcut typing''.
4- This is Guild Wars...
5- This is not Diablo
Is this clear?
Darksun
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Originally Posted by chicks boy
ya i played paragons on pvp, it was fun but still dissapointed of the range thingy for paragons.
I'm not sure what you were expecting. We all knew they were gonna have spears. Spears are MADE to be thrown. 
Flamma
I agree with Darksun, in real life I would never use a spear for melee unless it was for like what's it called where you run at each other on top of horses
Fred Kiwi
jousting.
LiamR
OMG THE CLASS SUCKS COS I CANT HAVE YET ANOTHER CLOSE RANGE MELEE WEAPON!
Just becase you expected a close range weapon, dosent mean they should BE REBORN AND REMADE BY ANET!!!!!!!111111111111
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Just becase you expected a close range weapon, dosent mean they should BE REBORN AND REMADE BY ANET!!!!!!!111111111111
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Darksun
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Originally Posted by Flamma
I agree with Darksun, in real life I would never use a spear for melee unless it was for like what's it called where you run at each other on top of horses
That's a Lance. I don't think the OP realizes there is quite a difference between a Polearm, Spear, Staff & a Lance.
Rich_Izy
they should make the paragons throw the spears at mid range and use it to stab/hack/[insert verb here] when the enemy gets in close range.
KlutzySpy
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Originally Posted by Rich_Izy
they should make the paragons throw the spears at mid range and use it to stab/hack/[insert verb here] when the enemy gets in close range.
or just make some attacks/skills/whatever that worked as that
chicks boy
lol no i luuuv paragons i jus dont like how they throw a spear lol
Former Ruling
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They just suck sooooo bad noone uses them.
Thom Bangalter
PvE less, PvP more. Then you'll be disappointed with the dervish.
Leonidas of Ascalon
Don't mean to be anti-paragon, cos i think it looks awesome, but won't it cause issues with the aggro system? i.e forming an aggro bridge whereby the AI attacks the paragon instead of the tank then the spellcasters instead of the paragon, thus throwing a spanner in the works big-time for tanks..
Pls be nice and don't be know-alls, i was just wondering because I read a thread re:Aggro and it explained aggro bridges.
Any feedback would be appreciated!
Pls be nice and don't be know-alls, i was just wondering because I read a thread re:Aggro and it explained aggro bridges.
Any feedback would be appreciated!
chicks boy
lol i dun care about aggrroes, i only care about 15k armor paragon wings and how the spear-like animated llol
Hidden Prayers
*sigh*
I'm glad ANET didn't decide to give us two melee classes and actually put some thought behind what they were doing instead. I'd be pretty unhappy if they catered to this kind of thought.
Also, Dervish Scythe=mid-to-close range, can't have everything
I'm glad ANET didn't decide to give us two melee classes and actually put some thought behind what they were doing instead. I'd be pretty unhappy if they catered to this kind of thought.
Also, Dervish Scythe=mid-to-close range, can't have everything
Francis Demeules
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Originally Posted by chicks boy
lol i dun care about aggrroes, i only care about 15k armor paragon wings and how the spear-like animated llol
So what, if Anet made like this, we can't really change the class just for.... that.
Look, about the animation, why the rangers haven't any Quivers anyway? Its not by the ass the arrows come from
Seriously, hear someone blaming just the look of an armor and the animation, the people start over and over again like Faction.
Look, about the animation, why the rangers haven't any Quivers anyway? Its not by the ass the arrows come from
Seriously, hear someone blaming just the look of an armor and the animation, the people start over and over again like Faction.
lyra_song
Ok....
Spear is a pointy sharp tip on a long shaft usually wood.
Theres at least 2 types of spears. Throwing and Handheld .
Anet gave us the lighter, smaller throwing spears.
Polearm weaponry like Halberds, Pikes, Partisans, Naginatas, etc still fall within the basic design of a spear.
Stop picking at it.
Just pretend Spear Mastery says "Javelin Mastery".
=.=
Spear is a pointy sharp tip on a long shaft usually wood.
Theres at least 2 types of spears. Throwing and Handheld .
Anet gave us the lighter, smaller throwing spears.
Polearm weaponry like Halberds, Pikes, Partisans, Naginatas, etc still fall within the basic design of a spear.
Stop picking at it.
Just pretend Spear Mastery says "Javelin Mastery".
=.=
dndhatcher
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Originally Posted by Leonidas of Ascalon
Don't mean to be anti-paragon, cos i think it looks awesome, but won't it cause issues with the aggro system? i.e forming an aggro bridge whereby the AI attacks the paragon instead of the tank then the spellcasters instead of the paragon, thus throwing a spanner in the works big-time for tanks..
Pls be nice and don't be know-alls, i was just wondering because I read a thread re:Aggro and it explained aggro bridges.
Any feedback would be appreciated! This is already a problem every tank faces. Necros, eles and rangers jumping in to attack too soon drag aggro away from the tank and bridge it back to the party. Any attack before aggro is set will cause the bridging effect. Its not like any party I have ever been in walks in formation by combat range like a real military group would.
You just gotta use the same 3 techniques as always to effectively tank:
1> Explain to everyone why they have to stay out of your aggro circle until they see all the bad guys attacking you.
2> since you know that never works, draw a line you dont want them to cross and pray they are looking at their compass
3> since you know that doesnt always work, keep your health LOWER than your party members so the monsters aggro on you anyway. Monsters primarily go after low health targets.
Note that hench parties (up until the flag was introduced -hurray) have been totally incapable of doing #1 or #2 so all you get is #3.
Pls be nice and don't be know-alls, i was just wondering because I read a thread re:Aggro and it explained aggro bridges.
Any feedback would be appreciated! This is already a problem every tank faces. Necros, eles and rangers jumping in to attack too soon drag aggro away from the tank and bridge it back to the party. Any attack before aggro is set will cause the bridging effect. Its not like any party I have ever been in walks in formation by combat range like a real military group would.
You just gotta use the same 3 techniques as always to effectively tank:
1> Explain to everyone why they have to stay out of your aggro circle until they see all the bad guys attacking you.
2> since you know that never works, draw a line you dont want them to cross and pray they are looking at their compass
3> since you know that doesnt always work, keep your health LOWER than your party members so the monsters aggro on you anyway. Monsters primarily go after low health targets.
Note that hench parties (up until the flag was introduced -hurray) have been totally incapable of doing #1 or #2 so all you get is #3.
Fluffyx
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Originally Posted by Flamma
I agree with Darksun, in real life I would never use a spear for melee unless it was for like what's it called where you run at each other on top of horses
O_O Why would you use anything like that IRL? We're not in the medieval times anymore.
By the way I've noticed there has been more and more people posting on GWguru who can't speak english at all. Reading it makes me want to strangle myself, especially when its an arguement about spears not being used to poke and instead being used to throw. :[
Lessons he should have learned:
1. Don't take what you see from a game as the truth
2. Don't base facts off Diablo II
By the way I've noticed there has been more and more people posting on GWguru who can't speak english at all. Reading it makes me want to strangle myself, especially when its an arguement about spears not being used to poke and instead being used to throw. :[
Lessons he should have learned:
1. Don't take what you see from a game as the truth
2. Don't base facts off Diablo II
OlMurraniKasale
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Originally Posted by Pkest
I felt right at home with my Paragon during the PVE.
During the PvP event, I couldn't stop laughing at how ludicrous the Paragon was - it really made me dispair at the profession.
The PvE event, however, changed my mind. I can't wait to play a Paragon.
The PvE event, however, changed my mind. I can't wait to play a Paragon.
Terra Xin
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Originally Posted by OP
Anyway, Tip: Don't play paragons if you dont like them. You'll ruin their reputation by playing them - knowing 100% well that you're going to be "dissapointed"
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Theres at least 2 types of spears. Throwing and Handheld .
Correction: One type of spear, many different uses. You can still throw a 'handheld' spear.
just rude
All hail the mighty wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear and Nightfalls is gonna rock. 15:03:56.22 Hurry up already!!
draxynnic
Spears in melee can also be useful in the context of blocks of pikemen as well...
However, you don't get many blocks of pikemen in GW - GW is more oriented towards small-unit tactics, and in the aforementioned small units, spears and pikes generally aren't the best weapon - their main advantage is reach, and when you don't have enough of them to field in ranks, it's just too easy to get past the spearpoint and under the spear's reach. To the OP: If you want to play a Paragon in melee that much, take a Warrior (or Dervish, or Assassin) secondary. As I pointed out in another thread, the Paragon is blessed with armour that may actually give them a decent chance of surviving in melee if equipped with a melee weapon. Darl
I would like to point out a few things that people seem to forget:
First of all, spears were not "pure thorowing weapons", spears made for hand to hand combat have been used for the better part of human history. Being a lone spear user has never been a good idea thought (think about it, i'm sure that i dont have to tell you why). Quote:
That's a Lance. I don't think the OP realizes there is quite a difference between a Polearm, Spear, Staff & a Lance.
Before the lance was invented, spears were used for mounted troops (and jousting). If my memory serves, the lance, as we know it, was invented somewhere between 1200 and 1300 (thought dont quote me on that).
| Kaiten
alot of spears were used for hand to hand combat and throwing
if people werent idiots and looked it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spears either on wiki or a real encylopedia they would know this. spears are the ancestors of many divsions of weapons spears are great melee weapons as well as thrown. as for who ever said that theyre horrible melee weapons other than being on a horse they've probably never seen a martial arts compitition. crazy how it looks especially the chinese spears http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qiang_%28spear%29 wouldnt wanna be on the wrong end of that in the hand of someone experienced. keeping true to "spear man" they should be able to switch between melee and ranged |
