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CD-ROM: Yes CPU Speed: 2.0GHz Processor Disk Space: 4.0GB Display: ATI Radeon 9600 or NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700 Series Video Card Memory (RAM): 1GB Operating System Compatibility: Win 2000/XP, Not Mac Compatible |
Warning for ANet: NTFS vs FAT32 systems - problems will emerge soon! :(
IllusiveMind
Lex
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Originally Posted by cannonfodder
Why not convert to NTFS, it isnt hard to do so
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Originally Posted by Tarun
Myth - "The FAT32 file system is faster/better than NTFS."
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Originally Posted by Microsoft
"For small volumes, FAT16 or FAT32 usually provide faster access to files than NTFS"
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Spydergst1
I double dog dare you to load GW on wfw or windows 3.11 on fat16. Now thats LAG!!!
Obviously I know you can't install it but its good for a laugh to consider the thought.
I have always run on ntfs. No problems
Obviously I know you can't install it but its good for a laugh to consider the thought.
I have always run on ntfs. No problems
juncmodule
The pre-release box lists the following under Minimum System Spcifications for HDD Space:
3GB Available HDD Space
I think this clearly indicates that you can not run Nightfall on a machine that does not support a file at a size of 3GB.
However, if Prophecies and Factions does not exceed 2GBs then you shouldn't have a problem.
I agree with the person that made the horse feed/gasoline comment. You just shouldn't use a technology that has moved as fast as computers have if you aren't willing to move ahead.
Now. With all of that said. I agree with you completely. I think they should divide the file up. I'm no computer expert by far but doesn't a file of that size risk corruption, fragmentation, and a host of other issues?
later,
-junc
3GB Available HDD Space
I think this clearly indicates that you can not run Nightfall on a machine that does not support a file at a size of 3GB.
However, if Prophecies and Factions does not exceed 2GBs then you shouldn't have a problem.
I agree with the person that made the horse feed/gasoline comment. You just shouldn't use a technology that has moved as fast as computers have if you aren't willing to move ahead.
Now. With all of that said. I agree with you completely. I think they should divide the file up. I'm no computer expert by far but doesn't a file of that size risk corruption, fragmentation, and a host of other issues?
later,
-junc
TreeDude
Just buy yourself another drive, format it as NTFS, and make it a slave. Then put your GW folder on it. Problem solved.
Lex
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Originally Posted by juncmodule
The pre-release box lists the following under Minimum System Spcifications for HDD Space:
3GB Available HDD Space I think this clearly indicates that you can not run Nightfall on a machine that does not support a file at a size of 3GB. |
1. Max file size of FAT32 is 4GB, not 3GB
- my gw.dat is now around 3.3GB 
2. I have now around 2GB available HDD Space (after installing the game) so I have even recomended spec: "4GB available HDD space"- free HDD space is something different from situation that game required specific file system to run and its not mentioned on the box or on support web page. AND on the same pre-order box among minimum system spec I still see: Win ME/98! so Nightfall is still supporting FAT32 according to ANet...
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Originally Posted by TreeDude
Just buy yourself another drive, format it as NTFS, and make it a slave. Then put your GW folder on it. Problem solved.
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TreeDude
Then replace a drive with a larger one. Then you just need do a simple backup. I know what your getting at. The game says is supports FAT32. Well as stand alone they do. But keep adding to your account and they won't. I wouldn't blame Anet, they didn't create FAT32.
Sooner or later you will need to make the switch. Just do it and get it over with.
Sooner or later you will need to make the switch. Just do it and get it over with.
Mr.H.Mishima
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Originally Posted by Rafal
Yes, it is not hard.. but can you give me 100% guarantee that all of my other programs will run after conversion? This is PC i'm using not only for GW - this is my workshop, I'm working at home. Telling the truth, GW is only "small part" of time I'm spending by PC - but I'd like to still be able to play it.
Do u think that my 20GB HDD is big? About reliability: I'm using PC since my study times = early 90s - never had any problems about disk storage. |
Mushroom
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Originally Posted by IllusiveMind
Sorry buy those are the Recommended, you should double check the minimum requierements that are printed at the back of Nightfall Pre-Release BP.
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And as they say, "you should never let the minimum be your maximum". Here are the true minimum system specs:
Windows 98
800 MHz Pentium III or equivalent
256 MB RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 or GeForce 3 or 4 MX with 32MB of video memory
500 MB hard drive space
Now who would like to try playing GW on a system like that? Myself, when I talk about minimum system specs, I tend to use the "recommended minimum", since a lot of people will try to cut as close to that as possible.
In fact, I really started to do that especially when it comes to games. We had a parent last year who wanted a system so her daughter could play "The Sims 2". Yea, the game only needs a 600 MHz, with 128 MB RAM. But who wants to spend over 5 minutes waiting for the game to load, and have the absolute minimum graphics and horrible lags?
Omega X
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Originally Posted by juncmodule
I think they should divide the file up. I'm no computer expert by far but doesn't a file of that size risk corruption, fragmentation, and a host of other issues?
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Fragmentation always happens on FAT and NTFS file systems. It just happens less on NTFS, and the file will fragment ONLY when it expands usually without contiguous space. But you should be defragmenting your drive regularly anyway.
More files means more file access lag and more fragmentation of the files. It could take longer to load into areas, and a number of performance issues. So whether if the Dat is one big archive or several small ones, the trade offs are apparent.
But I don't know what you mean by "A host of other issues".
IllusiveMind
@Mushroom
*Reads post again*
Yeah...you got me confused with that "minimum recommended requierements".
Note to self:
Learn to read dummy.
I highly doubt this.
*Reads post again*
Yeah...you got me confused with that "minimum recommended requierements".
Note to self:
Learn to read dummy.
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Horseman Of War
you wanna run with the big dogs you had better keep up
Mushroom
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Originally Posted by IllusiveMind
500 MB hard drive space
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And it's no biggie. I have misread and misheard a great many things myself. I will never forget when I thought Harold was the name of God, and that the Pledge of Allegiance was to a cartoon character.
Lex
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Originally Posted by TreeDude
Then replace a drive with a larger one. Then you just need do a simple backup.
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But "if" (to answer your question) HDD replacement wont be just "simple backup" for me - I have booting partition on one drive but system files are on the other drive. So at the moment replacement of one drive will mean reinstallation of the whole system and software.
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Originally Posted by TreeDude
I know what your getting at. The game says is supports FAT32. Well as stand alone they do. But keep adding to your account and they won't.
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Tarun
Honestly just upgrade to NTFS and quit whining. 20GB should be NTFS anyways. Even if you had a 5GB drive it should be NTFS.
h0l0cau5to
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Originally Posted by B Ephekt
Yep.
Code:
convert c: /fs:ntfs |
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Tarun
h0l0cau5to, no you do not. You enter the above in a cmd window; it then has your computer reboot and can take anywhere from a minute to thirty minutes (depending on the drives age, RPM, amount of data, etc etc.)
EternalTempest
This thread brings up an intersting point. Within a few more chapters, the native file size will be > 4gb and fat32 max file support as a single file is 4gb.
To be honest I think Anet will drop the minimum support for GuildWars and it will become Windows 2000 as the min or they have plans to split the gw.dat file in to segments.
I can see this happening as well due one data file = all data where I can see a "core" data file and smaller "chapter" data files that are specific to each one to cut down on downloading and decreasing there bandwidth.
To be honest I think Anet will drop the minimum support for GuildWars and it will become Windows 2000 as the min or they have plans to split the gw.dat file in to segments.
I can see this happening as well due one data file = all data where I can see a "core" data file and smaller "chapter" data files that are specific to each one to cut down on downloading and decreasing there bandwidth.
Miss Eisei
i dont understand why anyone would want to run fat32 on a xp/w2k system
thats like running linux on a fat disk, its just wrong and stupid
and as for ppl stuck with win98, i feel sorry for u, but either u have such a crappy pc ur prolly better of not playing cause it looks so ugly and ur game takes forever to load, time to upgrade maybe ? , 98/ME is ancient and has no support anymore , i cant understand ppl complain about fat32/ntfs NOW, for the love of god, ntfs has been around forever, ive ALWAYS used it, just like i use ext3 on my linux box, and FYI M$ is making a new fileformat so eventually NTFS will be outdated, time to get with the program guys, cause honestly, even if my new Bentley would run on old 98octan leaded fuel i wouldnt run it on it
thats like running linux on a fat disk, its just wrong and stupid
and as for ppl stuck with win98, i feel sorry for u, but either u have such a crappy pc ur prolly better of not playing cause it looks so ugly and ur game takes forever to load, time to upgrade maybe ? , 98/ME is ancient and has no support anymore , i cant understand ppl complain about fat32/ntfs NOW, for the love of god, ntfs has been around forever, ive ALWAYS used it, just like i use ext3 on my linux box, and FYI M$ is making a new fileformat so eventually NTFS will be outdated, time to get with the program guys, cause honestly, even if my new Bentley would run on old 98octan leaded fuel i wouldnt run it on it
Tarun
The new file format "WinFS" was going to be with Vista and XP, has been aborted.
DigitalForm
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i dont understand why anyone would want to run fat32 on a xp/w2k system
thats like running linux on a fat disk, its just wrong and stupid and as for ppl stuck with win98, i feel sorry for u, but either u have such a crappy pc ur prolly better of not playing cause it looks so ugly and ur game takes forever to load, time to upgrade maybe ? , 98/ME is ancient and has no support anymore , i cant understand ppl complain about fat32/ntfs NOW, for the love of god, ntfs has been around forever, ive ALWAYS used it, just like i use ext3 on my linux box, and FYI M$ is making a new fileformat so eventually NTFS will be outdated, time to get with the program guys, cause honestly, even if my new Bentley would run on old 98octan leaded fuel i wouldnt run it on it |
Start from the BOTTOM and scroll up until you hit the bold words "NTFS Change Journal". That part and the parts below it describe how it works. Well the whole thing does but it is kinda technical.
Another thing about old computers, you should back up ALL your important stuff regularily. I have an external 160GB drive that cost like $80 on sale. After a while I would start saving up money to buy/build a new computer. When I built mine, the technical papers I found for my motherboard said that it was rated at about 110,000 hours before random component failure was likely to occur. Things fail unexpectedly sometimes. With that being said, my mom's 333 K6-2 still runs fine.. slow but fine.
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Former Ruling
To clear things up:
1) Minimum System requirements for any software should not even be given a second glance, Always go from the RECOMMENDED minimum requirements - taking into account that Processor speed (and RAM most of the time) can be alittle lower and not hurt much.
The "minimum" requirements are the lowest possible specs that they were able to execute the game from without fatal error. It ISN'T the lowest system that will actually play the game with normal amounts of lag or graphical problems (thats the recommended minimum).
2) "Big" in the hard drive terms used here, means basically anything over a few gigs (I'd say 4-5Gigs).
Remember, a decade ago 1 gig was HUGGEEEEEEEEEEE NEEEEWWWWWSS. We take for granted that we can get 50+ gigs now even on the cheapest computers.
1) Minimum System requirements for any software should not even be given a second glance, Always go from the RECOMMENDED minimum requirements - taking into account that Processor speed (and RAM most of the time) can be alittle lower and not hurt much.
The "minimum" requirements are the lowest possible specs that they were able to execute the game from without fatal error. It ISN'T the lowest system that will actually play the game with normal amounts of lag or graphical problems (thats the recommended minimum).
2) "Big" in the hard drive terms used here, means basically anything over a few gigs (I'd say 4-5Gigs).
Remember, a decade ago 1 gig was HUGGEEEEEEEEEEE NEEEEWWWWWSS. We take for granted that we can get 50+ gigs now even on the cheapest computers.
juncmodule
I found this sort of interesting:
Quote from Gaile Gray:
Basically, this means FAT32 is not really a problem, just a huge inconvenience .
Hope that helps solve your problems/worries.
later,
-junc
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I was asked about this earlier, and here's the official response from Mike O'Brien: The full Gw.dat file size is currently about 2.7 GB. Anyone whose Gw.dat file is larger than that is suffering from an old bug where space wasn't being reused efficiently. That bug was fixed in March. People with larger Gw.dat files should see them stay the same or slowly shrink over time. Now, more info for you: If you want to, you are welcome to delete and pull a completely new .dat file. But keep in mind that if you do this, you will be downloading a lot of files, and that each time you join a mission you'll need to fetch a new map. So doing this is up to you. Reacquiring the GW.dat file will reduce the size of the file right away and by a considerable amount, if that is a goal that you feel is important. It will, however, take a bit of time and trouble on your part, and you may choose to stick with what you have, knowing it will adjust for size over time. I hope this helps! |
.Hope that helps solve your problems/worries.
later,
-junc
TreeDude
I use -image for all my updates. My dat file is 5.6gigs. Thats every file GW has to offer, fully decompressed. I highly doubt thats a bug.
Mushroom
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Remember, a decade ago 1 gig was HUGGEEEEEEEEEEE NEEEEWWWWWSS. We take for granted that we can get 50+ gigs now even on the cheapest computers.
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In 1992, I built myself a "Super System", and everybody told me I was insane. I spent $1,000 for a 700 MB SCSI-II hard drive, $400 for 8 MB of RAM, and installed 3 CD-ROM drives. I even went all-out and got a SVGA card with 512 KB RAM, and the fastest processor available at the time, the Intel 80486 DX 50. It was an incredible system for the time (@ $2,500), but 3 years later it was sluggish running Win95.
Uncountable upgrades later, I am now with a Socket 939 Athlon 3500, Radeon 9550 256MB video card, and 1 GB RAM. My system has more RAM then my "super system" of a decade before had in hard drive capacity. My CPU has a larger cache then my old video card had in RAM. And I am planning my next upgrade in the near future.
Any time you want to play high-ended games, you need to keep up with the technology. It was not that long ago that an 8 MB video card was enough for most games, and most software was shipped on floppy disk. I simply can't imagine anybody being happy trying to play GW on anything less then a 1.5 GHz system with a 128 MB video card and XP.
h0l0cau5to
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Originally Posted by Tarun
h0l0cau5to, no you do not. You enter the above in a cmd window; it then has your computer reboot and can take anywhere from a minute to thirty minutes (depending on the drives age, RPM, amount of data, etc etc.)
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thanks in advance
h0l0cau5to
i don't know if i am alowed to bump, so here it goes:
BUMP
plz help
BUMP
plz help
Liberations
My GW.dat file is still about 1.8 gb memory since it came out. the NF requirements say 3gb. Strange huh? Also, I have no idea what either of those are or what they relate to.
Kuldebar Valiturus
Well, I have had the game install about 14-16 months now and my GW.DAT file is at 3.92 GB. Also, I did a -image last week.
I certainly am not going to delete the DAT and download just to lose a gig or so.
I am running NTFS, there's really no legitimate reason not to use it unless there is some hardware limitation which would probably preclude you from running the game in the first place.
Guild Wars really has some modest spec requirements when it comes to running well. You get more performance bang for you buck with Guild Wars compared to WoW.
I certainly am not going to delete the DAT and download just to lose a gig or so.
I am running NTFS, there's really no legitimate reason not to use it unless there is some hardware limitation which would probably preclude you from running the game in the first place.
Guild Wars really has some modest spec requirements when it comes to running well. You get more performance bang for you buck with Guild Wars compared to WoW.
BlueNovember
I have GW installed on a fat32 "games" partition. It's naiive to pressume there's "no reason" to do so; when I boot to my linux distro it uses games from the fat32 partition.
(Linux NTFS write drivers are still flaky)
Just thought I'd correct all the M$ fanboys.
(Linux NTFS write drivers are still flaky)
Just thought I'd correct all the M$ fanboys.
Bane of Worlds
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I use -image for all my updates. My dat file is 5.6gigs. Thats every file GW has to offer, fully decompressed. I highly doubt thats a bug.
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Gneppe
Guys im noob at this.
But i just right clicked my laptops C: and under properties it says it's NTFS.
Ive always have bugs in my gw on my laptop. I then looked on my Gw.dat (which i used the -image on)
And it says 4.267.623 kb.
Am i screwed?
What can i do?
But i just right clicked my laptops C: and under properties it says it's NTFS.
Ive always have bugs in my gw on my laptop. I then looked on my Gw.dat (which i used the -image on)
And it says 4.267.623 kb.
Am i screwed?
What can i do?
Kuldebar Valiturus
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I have GW installed on a fat32 "games" partition. It's naiive to pressume there's "no reason" to do so; when I boot to my linux distro it uses games from the fat32 partition.
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Originally Posted by Gneppe
Guys im noob at this.
But i just right clicked my laptops C: and under properties it says it's NTFS. Ive always have bugs in my gw on my laptop. I then looked on my Gw.dat (which i used the -image on) And it says 4.267.623 kb. Am i screwed? What can i do? |
This is a free, trustworthy and handy utility for doing some spring cleaning on a PC that's been running a while on the same install:
CCleaner
Also, the CCleaner forums have a lot of information about software and hardware issues.
You should always be very careful about downloading free-ware/shareware software, especially utilities because they are a well known vector for malicious code.
Having said, that some of the best free utilities for your PC are free-ware.
Spybot Search & Destroy, for example.
Anyway, knowledge is the best protection. Sometimes Googling the name of a program and browsing the hits, asking in tech forums, word of mouth are all a great way to determine it's effectiveness and safety.
Just be careful and don't jump into things before you know more about it.
aeroclown
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Its not strange, because: My PC has two HDDs: 3GB and 20GB - I dont need more space due to proper archiving of my work. GW is the only game I play. Even with all projects on HDD I still have 4-5GB free HDD space.
Yes, I have XP, but why should I change? I would like to use still FAT32 and it is still supported (as long as 98/ME systems are supported). I never had any problems with it and never had to do something weird due to problems (like reinstaling Windows two times a year). |
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Yes, I have XP, but why should I change? I would like to use still FAT32 and it is still supported (as long as 98/ME systems are supported). I never had any problems with it and never had to do something weird due to problems (like reinstaling Windows two times a year).
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Well99
Wow I have fat 32 (XP)and it works fine.I can run old games on my comp and that works for me.I have run NTFS before and didnt like it.Older version.
All 3 GW games are loaded and it works like a charm.Miss my 286...Not!
All 3 GW games are loaded and it works like a charm.Miss my 286...Not!
Shady Rome
Get a new harddrive... 300gb is like 120quid? lol.. harddrive are cheap.
Well99
I will when I build next machine but I have plenty of space.Yup they are a whole lot cheaper..makes it nice..lol