Eloc's Custom Build

If you have rebirth, you don't really need res sig. Having both on the bar doesn't really accomplish anything, since both does the same thing, res. Just use rebirth after a party wipe, forget the res sig. If a party is bad enough to wipe even after using res sig in the middle of a fight and requires that you rebirth them all as well, there is no point in having that res sig. Also, not saying that this is the standard but for stereotypical pve nukers, there are just 3 simple rules to follow or variations somewhat of these 3 rules. 1. Avoid scattering aggro. 2. Manage Energy. 3. Nuke, nuke, nuke.

The first rule should be obvious, avoid scattering the aggro that the tank has managed to gather on himself, thus using of skills like firestorm, tenai's heat, is a no no. The harm you cause by scattering aggro all over your party is hardly worth the damage those skills give. By avoiding scattering aggro, it also means you don't get in your tanks aggro bubble when he is pulling, it will avoid creating the awful effect known as an aggro chain, where you become the link to all your other soft party members by being the one to attract aggro away from the tank.

Rule 2 should also be obvious too, include some form of energy management, attunements, glyphs, or whatever rocks your boat, at least have something to help with your energy, you are useless if all you are doing is sitting waiting for energy to regen, worse still if you are waiting to regen after causing aggro to scatter all over your party.

With 1 and 2 down, all you need to do is just nuke away. By observing these simple rules, you will notice that your party has a much easier time and you won't need to use an elite like double dragon for when they get close (questionable too since flame burst is better and non-elite), cause if you are following those rules, they will still be at the tank.

Also, kiting goes a long way, typically i'll kite instead of standing still trying to use a pbaoe on an approaching foe. Basic kiting is enough to get you out of trouble and not require much healing, but if you really want a self heal, don't bring heal area, especially not at 4 healing, ether feast at 4 inspiration gives a 75 heal at only 5 energy, so you should see how bad heal area is at 4 healing prayers. In fact, i question trying to bring any kind of self heal if you only want to spend 4 points in that heals attribute, what's the point? Might as well kite and wait for a monks heal.

Edit: Attribute point quests. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Attribute_quests

Energy Storage: 12 +1
Fire: 12 +3 +1
Protection Prayers: 3

Meteor Shower
Fireball
Incendiary Bonds
Ether Prodigy
Fire Attunement
Rodgort's Invocation
Glyph of Essence/Sacrifice (Sacrifice preferred)
Rebirth/Resurrection Chant (Chant preferred)

Something to think about. Not much, but still something.

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I'll post my generic nuking build that is about as efficient as you can get in the fire line:

Glyph of energy/Immolate/fireball/rodgort's/meteor shower/fire attunement/glyph of sacrifice/rez chant.

Kinda like the one posted earlier, though arguably more optimized. I used to try echo nuking but it's pretty bad, as you run into a lot of energy issues really fast and this build is far more sustainable; glyph of energy+shower or rodgort's synergizes really well with attunement to get some energy back.

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The bar I've been running on a fire guy in PvE:

Fireball, Rodgort's Invocation, Meteor Shower, Ether Prodigy, Ward Against Melee, Heal Party, Resurrection Chant, Glyph of Sacrifice

11+1+2/3 Fire
6+1 Earth
8+1 Energy Storage
10 Healing

Weakest skill on the bar is Meteor Shower, but there's nothing really attractive that I want there...and really, I already have the Glyph of Sacrifice, and it brings back good memories. How can I resist?

Peace,
-CxE

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What's Rodgort's Invocation do?

Deals Nearby-area damage (one-hit), and burning.

My new skills list:
1.Fire Attunement
2.Meteor Shower
3.Fire Storm
4.Breath of Fire
5.Rodgort's Invocation
6.Healing Breeze
7.Ressurection Chant
8.Ressurection Signet

Tell me if you think it is an improvement from my previous list.

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What do glyph of renewal do and it is better right? I do not like fireball all that much but I may give it another try.

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Why? Because of it's quick recharge time?

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Fireball is good because it is one of the few spells in the fire line that actually has a good energy to damage ratio, it is the one of the most efficient spells in the fire line actually.

Anyway, you still seem fixated on the dot aoes, the days are long gone where you can just play any skill you like as a fire ele and get away with it, not since the aoe ai update where monsters run like headless chickens from dot aoes. These days, it is all about playing the skills that do not cause aggro to scatter, like i have mentioned in my previous post. As such the only skills that are playable and do not cause massive harm to a party by scattering aggro all over them are the non dot aoes, skills like fireball, rodgort's invocation, incendiary bonds, meteor, meteor shower, immolate, basically all the non dot aoes. You usually do not get much damage out of the dot aoes anyway since the monsters start running the instant so much as 2 hits of the dot aoe lands on them and with the small aoe sizes of the dot aoes, you barely get anything for all the energy you spent casting them. Which is why you will notice, pretty much everyone recommends you stay away from the dot aoes. The only exception to the rule is meteor shower, and only because it causes knockdown, if it didn't it will probably be avoided as well.

I like to sometimes echo fireball with channeling, Its very efficient. Then throw in whetever else i need.

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fireball and immolate are the kings of efficiency in the fire line.






























which is pretty effin sad, when you think about it.

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If Immolate got buffed it would be insane in pvp.

But actually, that would be a good thing.

The fact that it comes in at a low amount of damage, followed by burning, is really good. Once you factor in it's recharge is arguably the best non-elite fire spell going in the game.

You'd have a hard time convincing me it's better than Fireball. A really, really, really hard time.

But your depth chart of Fire skill power is something like:

Fireball
Rodgort's Invocation
Immolate
Flare
Meteor Shower

...yeah

Peace,
-CxE

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I stopped using Flare after Pre-Searing...& I don't inteand to go back to it.

I was meaning Ensign's list.

Well I changed around my skills for PVP and I still don't like em that much.

~New Skills List~
1.Elemental Attunement (Elite)
2.Meteor Shower
3.Fire Storm
4.Teinai's Heat
5.Breath of Fire
6.Rodgort's Invication
7.Healing Breeze
8.Ressurection Chant

~Name of Build~
AoE Redmage

Firestorm? LOL!!
Conjure Flame? LOL 2x!!

Rebirth? LOL'd s'more!!

Honestly, dude... Out of the hundreds of elementalist builds out there, it takes 5 minutes or less to look at the builds collection at the top of this thread to discover a few taboos.

Firestorm is quite possibly one of the most useless skills out there now that duration AoE makes monsters run. Duration AoE is now only good for protecting the casters/ranged fighters from enemy melee in PvE. A 10 duration one is now a waste, so if you ARE taking duration AoE for this purpose it should be a 5 second AoE like Breath of Fire... or similar. That ONE 5 second Aoe and Meteor Shower should be your ONLY duration AoE on the bar.

Conjure Flame? You are nuker. This means you dont rely on weapon dmg. Even with Conjure Flame, your wand dmg is negligable at best. Waste of a slot in both PvE and PvP on a nuker.

Rebirth? As was said already, this is a bad bad idea for a nuker. The nuker works with a HIGH resevoir of energy for 2 reasons: expensive spells, and the ability to dish out dmg for a longer duration then many. Rebirth has just eliminated your very purpose and effectiveness as a nuker. In a normal PvE group, any other hard rez or rez sig is just fine...

Double Dragon is also not too great of an elite. Several other skills do mebe 20 less dmg without being an elite. Try another elite. Elemental Attunement maybe, since you have NO energy management.

Heal Area, not bad, but not great. With such a low amount in Healing its really not worth it, since you also risk healing enemy melee targets...

Honestly, your build is very counterproductive. You have 4 duration AoE spells. You are gonna be making the warriors run ALL over the place to hit the enemies and risk ruining good aggros when they are well maintained/controlled by the front line. I suggest you read up a bit more in this forum for ideas. Eliminate ALL skills from your bar except Meteor Shower, and the Rez Signet. And start from scratch.

Heres a descent framework:

Attack Spell (Non-duration AoE)
Attack Spell (Non-duration AoE)
Attack Spell (Non-duration AoE)
Attack Spell
Attack Spell >OR< Energy Management/Utility
Energy Management (From primary OR secondary class)
Safety Spell (i.e. SHORT duration AoE, utility spell, healing, self healing)
Rez (either Rez sig or hard Rez, NOT REBIRTH)

Hope this all helps, i am honestly not trying to flame, just help you be more effective for your team as an effective and lasting nuker.

cheers!