returning to guildwars

Okey so I decided to restart playing GW when the preview event was on. I started to remember how much I really liked this game, the great graphics, fun skill combinations etc. So I restarted playing on my mesmer, who was on the mission (vizunah square (foriegn square)). Then I started to remember why I stopped playing GW. First try togo dies due to lack of healing from the other hench team. Second time this happens again even though there was 5 people in it this time. Next time I got into a good group and even though there wasn't anotehr team we got to the third big fight, but then mehnlo died because we had only henchies as healers (our mistake I admit). The next time the same thing happened as the first two with teh same team. Then I tried with hench and right at the start tehy were bugged and ran strait to where togo is and died. Then we managed to do the third big fight, and I disconnected. Next time Togo dies again, and the next someone quits for gvg and everyon else quits. Then I get into a good full player group, get up to the third big fight again, but mehnlo and togo are bugged and have got stuck, so the fighting there isn't triggered, and we have to resign. Then I try one more time with that team and togo dies. Then I give up.

Bear in mind too that there isn't many people doing this so it takes a long time to get a group.

Sorry for the rant but it really annoyed me because only once out of all those times was it my teams fault that we died, so it wasn't through lack of skill that we failed, it was just bad luck, and I don't think that's a good thing. Now I'm really thinking about stopping playing again.

Sorry for reading my rant but it really annoyed me and wasted loads of time. Anyone else have problems like this?

European server at least party is made nearly when I spawn to district.

Sadly this is not because of the mission,this is not because of game mechanics,how its build,amount of enemies,its sheer incompetence of the average guild wars players.

Ok not the bugs but the dying of Togo is,im sorry you guys but the average guild wars player is an utter fool and id be surprised of such a person even passed kindergarden.

Now this might just be me,but every mission i do i get paired with robitic dimwits,who are so silent it mightaswell be a single-player RPG,the way they play is even weaker then youre average henchmen,and when it requires a bit of thinking or teamwork they fail miserably.

This entire community,how someone is viewed as good or bad,and the average skill and intelligence of youre average player,is,once again im sorry,pathetic.

Edit:Sounds like the other team failed btw.

The thing that bothers me is this:Guild Wars is a good game,a VERY good game,and it saddens me to see it ruined by those who dont appreciate it,those i meet have no intrest in the storyline,no intrest in the thrill of battle,no intrest in the skill and pleasure of combat itself,no,all they have an intrest in is gogogo rush rush rush,play out game,get uber weapons,get expansive armor,and do it again.

I might be overreacting but thats how i feel,and its a turn off for me.

Youre problem with this is that its probably far to hard to get anything done in this game with this community.

vizunah square is a PITA if the other team sucks. I once had a lvl 6 necro with full henches as the other team... stuff like that screw you over.

Eventually you will get it done. I advise you to try when it is night time 5-6PM PST, as there's more adults that came home from work.

Henchmen ftw... I do most of my missions and quests with henches, I just ... cant stand the usual rage quiter the usual NOOBS FFS, the usual Im wielding this uber ! im better then you ! and all that crap.. Use henchmen ,they play better then some people.

Eh, with the "bug" going around of rangers/casters running into melle range, that might now work out either. For instance, I just recently re-created my assassin and need to get him through Sunjiang District, but I keep losing because Mhenlo runs into melle range and gets spiked down by 20 afflicted, thus causing the whole party to lose. Sure henches are better than a normal PUG for a lot of things, this "bug" has stopped my assassin cold in his tracks of progressing through the factions campaign, just because Mhenlo wants to be a warrior.
But, like most things, it's all situational.

European.

And yes it is annoying how people don't co-oporate. I have been playing wow for a while, and because it's not all insatnced, at high levels everyone does try hard because it is not the norm. Also you can do these instances with teh guild, on guildwars though I rarely do misions with my guild because it is unlikely they have the same one to do.

Also I think the fact that GW is free does attract some really imature people, I think they mainly come from runescape or somethign which is tottaly full of scams and cheats.

With guildwars I'm alsways wishing there was some sort of server with all the serious people who want to get good and enjoy the game.

From everything that I've seen and my own opinion-based answer, I absolutely and completely agree with Superdarth, the amount of players that lack logic and problem solving skills is just an enormous amount. Often times, they either insult you for doing something correctly or end up overextending, dying, then blaming you.

Again, this is just in my perspective, but I would just go with the heroes or your friends, guildmates, just basically people you know, and that are somewhat educated.

I don't really know anyone on it anymore, I find GW a very un-social game tbh

so waht ur saying is u want an easy game where as soon as u do 1 mission u want to beat it right away

umm no learn to do it with henchies i have quite a few times actually

This is what I picture when I encounter a bad player.

I picture some 11 year old with 2 larger than normal front teeth that is smiling but your not sure why. To the naked eye it would appear he is having fun and concentrating but if you slow down the video tape!! you can actually see ninja turtles and power rangers that dance around him and offer him cookies. you can't compete with that!! so his attention is forever lost.

errrrmmmm...no. I love a challenging game. It's just that all the times I tried it but one we lost because of something we could do nothing about! And about the second part, when you're in a good one it's much better and funner, afterall it's an MMO. Also taking henchies is unfair on the other team.

My advice would be to play in prime time when there are a lot of people on and try to get in a master group. These guys are there not only to finish the mission but to do this within a time limit. Most likely these guys are decent players who are going for the protector title. Give it the best you got.

A good MM is a must in this mission imo.

It's a shame you feel that way, but trust me, that mission is a bitch. Maybe you should play some pvp? Go to tyria? Start a new char? The possibilities are endless, my good cheese.

This game is community based....whitch means that UNLIKE any other games arround, a REALY AWESOME player can't save a bad party....every single member have to do their part otherwise its a complete faillure... The warriors need the monks to heal, that needs the necros to provide cover, that needs the rangers to deal damage and so on... The 8 skill thing requires all the party memebers to coordinate their skills in order to succeed.

NOT that this happens everytime, but I would say 99% of the game is fundamented in this conccept....

What this means is that PUG's will most surely fail... This also means, that henchs are cappable of doing 70% of the game w/ out much trouble IF you know how to handle them...in any sittuation, the blame is on you:

1. for getting into average PUG's...not taking some time arranging a balanced party that at least knows how to play their build....

2. for poor controll over henchs that (even whith the melee blablabla) are still far more capable then ANY average PUG player....

These facts are not a problem only on GW, they happen on EVERY SINGLE ONLINE RPG arround...they are just a little worse in GW cause we have TONS of kiddies running arround that simply doesn't have suficient brain to play this kind of game (no monthly fee's bad side) and comment I made on the first paragraph.

I have been playing this for 17 months now, and I experienced all the problems you described at some point of my gameplay....but nowadays I can just make alliance / guild / friend's partties and get every single mission done pretty fast (even the most difficult ones)....so, before you rant away and start thinking that the game sucks or some other rellated comments to the entire community or so, start re-thinking how you get into the partys you are playing whith...

Latter.

When I get frustrated in any situation, be it Hall of Heroes, a mission, something other that I cannot do but really tried hard to do, there is only 1 answer:

Log into my Pre Sear character.

Heart rate - Lowering
Stress - Lowering
Fun Levels - Climbing
Socialism - Maxing Out
Face Expression - Returning to smile

I wish ya the best of luck getting through Vizunah. For w/e reason I haven't had a problem finishing this mission the many times I've been through it, only really had issues like yours when I try to do the deed for Master's on my various characters.

Have to call it luck of the draw. Can only suggest you take a break between attempts until you find a group that can help ya get through this.

I do most missions on my first or second atempt aswel :s like i said, try henchman.

o.o either way you still have a restriction on the amount of people in your party. Pre-searing has a much lower max party members when compared to the rest of the game.

You could talk to people in town in pre or post, so I don't see how socialism maxes out.

You need to learn to control the hench better. The hench will heal togo/mhenlo if you stay near him. To keep the hench near him, target NPC monsters that are nearby him.

if your subclass is /mo, take jamei gaze/heal other and put some points in healing prayers (8 or 10), bring all henchies, specially the healer and ritualist, might not want to use the sin one, go to international district, enter, pray there is no human player, if you talk and no one replies, then you are good to go.

henchies at the other side, use heal other/jamei gaze when needed, i beat vizunah with all the classes (except ritualist) and they all were XX/Mo with heal other/jamei gaze.

QFT, been there done that. Its an annoying factor of the game mechanic that shoudl really be addressed. Maybe make it so people below a certain level can't get in there? After all, I thought THAT^^ was the whole idea behind locked gates in the first place.

@OP: sorry you've had trouble. Sadly, you're having trouble in the only mission where you can't guarantee a good team that does what you need it to. It was cool at the start, but once people started traveling on, the problems with such a mission type became easily appearant.

With hope, there won't be such in Nightfall.

Tactics: there is an easy way to beat this mission with only one team from the Tyrian side. IM a healer you trust and ask them about this; I'm sure they've gottne this cll a few times. Since you've been out of the loop, I know this can be hard for you but trust me; its the best way I've found to keep Togo up.

At the start of the game, your team will agro the first Am Fah group. As soon as they turn red, your monk should make a run for Togo (Mo/A BLight monk is preffered, making easy getaways from the other Am Fah that drop). Once he's there he can act as a supplort healer for the henchmen as everything in Cantha decides to drop on their heads. Primary focus is Togo and the healer henchies, and they will be on call to watch the other team for the rest of the game. remember, if both henchmen die, there is no hard rez to get the Canthans back up. No hard rez (and their liberal use a rez sigs) means that if they wipe, they won't get back up. Then its an 10 man mission instead of 18.

With Mhenlo supporting the Tyrians, one monk is more than enough for your backline as you make your way to Togo.

the third mission (where you seem to have trouble) can be quite brutal. This is why MMs are excellent in Cantha, however; Affliced make exploitable corpses. With every death you take, the Mm grows stronger. use this to your advantage and have them solo hold one of the three entrances for the Afflicted once you're surrounded. it makes an easy game of it to have one area shut down by a single player (and backup heal support). If MMs aren't available, trust to ward eles to greatly reduce damage in this confined fight.

You being a mesmer, spam Domination Hexes to be everyone's best friend. The Afflicted are easily cut down by Backfire, and Empathy does double damage to Frenzied Warriors.I recommend less shutdown/more kill stuff playstyle for castors having trouble here. Shutting down one critter is nice. But keep in mind, you've got a WHOLE LOT MORE Afflicted to deal with besides. Spread your damage out to keep them managable; the monks suck and the rits aren't good when forced out of single target healing.

I hope some of this helps you win through. Viz is a tough one to hench; more often than not its a crapshoot whether the Togo team survives till you get there (another factor needing to be addressed).

EDIT: ignore the people who spam "I've henched this one; you must suck lmao!" They keep forgetting to mention how many times they wiped along the way.

Ok just a little sompthing for everyone saying "go play with henchmen":

Wouldnt that take the "Massive Multiplayer" out of the "Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game"?

Thats another problem,i realy like the ability to do those missions with living players,but the way this is going the players dont act like there alive..at least the henchmen make some comments like suggesting a swim in the jade sea.

The problem is though if its no longer fun to play with other players theres no use in Guild Wars,if one would judge this game like it was a single player RPG it would get a VERY low score.

So basicly,whats the point in playing Guild Wars on youre own?

To get fancy looking armor and/or fancy looking titles and/or fancing looking weapons & armor to show off to all the other people after you have beaten and/or been run through every part of the game on your own as quickly as possible.

At least, that seems to be the most common philosophy among players.

By now you probably know how i feel about the common player and you probably also realize that i dont give a rats ass about why they play,im asking those on this forum.

to those who advise using henchmen, try using henchmen these days. because since the nf wpe the caster henchies will now run into melee range of the target mobs and tank!

it's just one of the many "oversights" of anet lately, like the skill hourglasses and the game freezing when closing with [X] ....

and don' ask them to fix it now, because theyre "too busy developing nightfall ...."

I remember completing the mission during the head start event, with only 8 men (no minion master in the team o.O)

We were all wondering if the rest of the game would be this hard as well...


Anyways, i've done it with an assassin at level 14, with 2 human players on the other side... you just need to stay away from the other team in the start, or the henchies will just run towards your Tyrian partners, leaving you (and Togo) to die.

Move alot in the mission, if you stay in one spot too long, afflicted will amass near you, and all those deaths will hurt you and the henchmen very badly... the first area is the hardest one, tbh.


Oh, and I've done the mission before that with a level 14 daggers R/A with 55 Armor Level as well... 15 henchmen... only had one death

I often take all henchies for this (from Factions side)

usually the other team is 100% henchman

so its me and 15 henchies doing the mission

I just did this mission *yesterday* (as lvl16 Ranger) - with 15 henchies - with no issues

It shouldn't matter what they have or haven't done. A good guild will help, no matter where they are in the game. I cannot count how many times I've done these missions, over and above the times I did it with my guys. Time to find a more helpful guild.

Yes. The henchmen keep up better conversation than an average PUg, but from my experience I'd say that's because in an average PUG no one has enough time to type anything. With Factions missions being mostly about speed, it's no surprise that people just wish to get it over with - without stopping to talk. Vizunah is one of the worst on this, with waves of enemies coming on.

Eh,noone i meet says anything when theyve got all the time of the world either though,so it cant be that,and the getting it over with mentality is worse,that would imply that they dont even enjoy playing.

Try the French servers, I always seem to find fantastic groups there. Sadly my French is restricted to a few "Biens!" and the occassional "zut!", but I manage to bluff it most times

Guys I would like to update you by saying I did it at last! yay It was the most unlikely team no one spoke and it has really wierd classes. It always feels like I have to end up leading those teams..saying what to do calling targets etc...reminds me so much of the time when I did the last prophecies mission with 1 warrior 4 rangers a necro and 2 healer hench, when I failed many times before...

Anyway thanks for you help it did help me in doing it. I do find really good groups sometimes, I just don't have the time to find one all the time, and it's hard to tell until you get playing.

And whoever mention it, yes I did spend a lotttt of time in pre searing at once point...those were the days.

And yes I really enjoy HA, but since my old pvp guild broke down I havn't found a decent one again, now that I'm unranked I can't get into the good and organised groups.

Basically I need a guild I really enjoy, anyone got any tips, other than guild hopping?