So the botting problem annoys many people, why not solve it?
What does a forum, like this one, or any other do when they have a (spam)bot forum?
Well to answer that you'd have to realise the one simple difference between bots and humans:
Humans are intelligent, bots are not.
So forums let people type a serie numbers at registering, to prevent bo0ts adapting these numbers are displayed as an image.
Now: why not do the same at guild wars? I mean: offcourse not at registration, but: every time you enter an area you have to enter a 4 digit code or something like that, after 4 failed attempts you log out.
Prevents botting because the player would have to help the bot every single time it wants to enter an area, taking away the main advantage of botting (gaining gold while not playing).
How to stop the bots:
hyro yamaguchi
|pyro|
/notsinged
banning every few months seems so work
banning every few months seems so work
hyro yamaguchi
So? This would be a permanent solution.
And Anet wouldn't have to spend time on banning them.
Why do something the hard way when you can do it the easy way?
And Anet wouldn't have to spend time on banning them.
Why do something the hard way when you can do it the easy way?
broodijzer
that would be hurting the good players because of the bad players. Only hit the botters please, and leave the clean players out of the trouble.
hyro yamaguchi
Huh? Hitting the good players? What are you talking about? I am talking about typing 4 numbers each time you enter an instance from a town, how does that affect any non-bot players?
xXRiSkXx
/notsinged
No way am I going to be put at an inconvenience because of the botters, and by the way bots can be programed to be able to rad that type of information and input it.
No way am I going to be put at an inconvenience because of the botters, and by the way bots can be programed to be able to rad that type of information and input it.
hyro yamaguchi
Erh..I don't think they can, just like the forum system with numbers in an image.
But going through extea trouble? Honestly, how can you be so selfish? typing 4 numbers isn't a lot of trouble!
But going through extea trouble? Honestly, how can you be so selfish? typing 4 numbers isn't a lot of trouble!
Exoudeous
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Erh..I don't think they can, just like the forum system with numbers in an image.
But going through extea trouble? Honestly, how can you be so selfish? typing 4 numbers isn't a lot of trouble! |
Besides its allready easy to spot boters by looking at game data. bots do teh same exact movements over and over and over. humans do not even if they are farming.
If you stop the bots then there will just be human players taking over. its an instanced game, so this isnt as big of a problem as in a real mmo, because the bots arnt stealing your mob and your loot.
hyro yamaguchi
No: but they are a great source of the money that is being sold at ebay, and the reason why many players are getting rich:
They are helping the inflation.
Now Anet wants to stop these bots right?
Why do they have to go through the trouble of watching the logs over and over again, while a simple solution can do the same trick?
I mean: it takes a few seconds to load an instance right? Say you can start typing while it is loading, you would minimalise the time to a few seconds, really what is a few seconds these days?
Oh and by the way, any easily farmable area will be nerfed due to overbotting:
Any player that hasen't got supreme farming skills can say goodbye to any chanche of earning some money: the difference between the 2 will only grow.
Oh and Anet won't have to nerf any area at all, saving them more time. And they will be able to spent that time doing other more important stuff for the game.
Really 2 or 3 seconds each time you enter an instance is virtually nothing.
They are helping the inflation.
Now Anet wants to stop these bots right?
Why do they have to go through the trouble of watching the logs over and over again, while a simple solution can do the same trick?
I mean: it takes a few seconds to load an instance right? Say you can start typing while it is loading, you would minimalise the time to a few seconds, really what is a few seconds these days?
Oh and by the way, any easily farmable area will be nerfed due to overbotting:
Any player that hasen't got supreme farming skills can say goodbye to any chanche of earning some money: the difference between the 2 will only grow.
Oh and Anet won't have to nerf any area at all, saving them more time. And they will be able to spent that time doing other more important stuff for the game.
Really 2 or 3 seconds each time you enter an instance is virtually nothing.
Exoudeous
Sorry its just an all around bad Idea.
What if you misstype it?
what if you are in a party and a party member messes it up?
What about the people that dont farm, why should they be made to type some lame crap to enter a zone?
It wouldnt stop bots at all, most bots are moniterd by a person sitting with a few pcs set up anyway. they could just type in stuff when needed. There is a reason why no online rpgs have stuff like that. I bet you wont find one person to agree with this.
/notsignd x10000000
What if you misstype it?
what if you are in a party and a party member messes it up?
What about the people that dont farm, why should they be made to type some lame crap to enter a zone?
It wouldnt stop bots at all, most bots are moniterd by a person sitting with a few pcs set up anyway. they could just type in stuff when needed. There is a reason why no online rpgs have stuff like that. I bet you wont find one person to agree with this.
/notsignd x10000000
Bankai
As someone who sucks at these kind of things (no, I do not have a problem or anything. I just suck.), I say no.
Urzza
Exoudeous puts it well.
/notsignd
/notsignd
Kali Magdalene
I hate encountering this stuff on webpages. I don't want to run into it in a game.
I would be unsurprised if something like that came to pass, though.
I would be unsurprised if something like that came to pass, though.
Franco
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Man Im not going to type out some numbers every time i rezone just because some asian kid wants to sell some money on ebay
/not signed
Aki Soyokaze
/not signed
There are just too many conficts that arise from this, such as party members, putting in the incorrect numbers, the annoyance of even having to do this, etc. Besides anything short of banning the bots is just a band-aid solution, for it was thought that they could not live without the sun... Doh!
There are just too many conficts that arise from this, such as party members, putting in the incorrect numbers, the annoyance of even having to do this, etc. Besides anything short of banning the bots is just a band-aid solution, for it was thought that they could not live without the sun... Doh!
KoalaMeatPie
/Not Signed
Hyro, Trust me on this, Keep Your dignity, Don't argue about this anymore.
I don't want to type in 4 numbers each time I go threw a zone, That does not make me selfish. That makes me Not Annoyed. And if I am not annoyed, everybody wins.
Thousands of people will get annoyed, and when they get annoyed, Anet Gets hate mail, and when Anet can't cope with people they tell you to take it to the forums, meaning they come here so the Dev team can see your posts. Then everybody gets annoyed.
Its a bad idea that resolves a Minor problem. Only and less then 5% of the economy is effected.
Hyro, Trust me on this, Keep Your dignity, Don't argue about this anymore.
I don't want to type in 4 numbers each time I go threw a zone, That does not make me selfish. That makes me Not Annoyed. And if I am not annoyed, everybody wins.
Thousands of people will get annoyed, and when they get annoyed, Anet Gets hate mail, and when Anet can't cope with people they tell you to take it to the forums, meaning they come here so the Dev team can see your posts. Then everybody gets annoyed.
Its a bad idea that resolves a Minor problem. Only and less then 5% of the economy is effected.
Ristaron
Too much of an inconvenience, though it is a good idea otherwise.
/notsigned
/notsigned
Caleb
/nothank you
no pin wars.....
no pin wars.....
kurtas
Nice idea, loses points on having to do it every time you enter a zone though, that would get really old really fast.
/notsigned
/notsigned
Zui
No thanks, I'll pass.
Roshi_ikkyu
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No: but they are a great source of the money that is being sold at ebay, and the reason why many players are getting rich:
They are helping the inflation. Now Anet wants to stop these bots right? Why do they have to go through the trouble of watching the logs over and over again, while a simple solution can do the same trick? I mean: it takes a few seconds to load an instance right? Say you can start typing while it is loading, you would minimalise the time to a few seconds, really what is a few seconds these days? Oh and by the way, any easily farmable area will be nerfed due to overbotting: Any player that hasen't got supreme farming skills can say goodbye to any chanche of earning some money: the difference between the 2 will only grow. Oh and Anet won't have to nerf any area at all, saving them more time. And they will be able to spent that time doing other more important stuff for the game. Really 2 or 3 seconds each time you enter an instance is virtually nothing. |
Bots farm for gold, it doesn't really effect the wider public.
Yeah I know some newb can ebay him self a million. That doesn't cause me any hassels.
Inflation is caused by the sellers and demand. If more 15^50 swords dropped, they wouldn't cost 100k +ecto.
Its not the bots as so many people seem to claim. Its supply and demand.
I remember when sigils were 100k +
And nerfing areas isn't to stop bots, there only interested in gold. Nerfing is to stop farmers. As long as one class can solo one area there will always be bots.
And there will always be farmers. Even if its farming wood or lode stones!
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Yeah its easy, unless you stuff it up, in which case you make it 30sec to 40 secs to enter a instance. I would see the out cry now. Think having to do it every single time.
hyro yamaguchi
Well: I dont know about you, but I can type 3 numbers an 1 or 2 seconds, and getting it accepted wouldn't take that much time.
But still I guess most people are simply too lazy to do something that takes 3-4 seconds each time you enter an instance form a town, so that both bots and leechers would be stopped.
But anyway: I'm still working on this subject because I belive it has potential, perhaps an improved version later.
Any ideas welcome (which was why I posted this in sardeliac in the first place).
Oh by the way, question:
If you'd put a button at a random place on the screen, changing every time, could you programm a bot to click it?
But still I guess most people are simply too lazy to do something that takes 3-4 seconds each time you enter an instance form a town, so that both bots and leechers would be stopped.
But anyway: I'm still working on this subject because I belive it has potential, perhaps an improved version later.
Any ideas welcome (which was why I posted this in sardeliac in the first place).
Oh by the way, question:
If you'd put a button at a random place on the screen, changing every time, could you programm a bot to click it?
Aki Soyokaze
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Well: I dont know about you, but I can type 3 numbers an 1 or 2 seconds, and getting it accepted wouldn't take that much time.
But still I guess most people are simply too lazy to do something that takes 3-4 seconds each time you enter an instance form a town, so that both bots and leechers would be stopped. |
Why is it that you expect the people who are not botting or leeching to jump through hoops? When the most reasonable solution would be to ban the bots and simply be aware of who you're letting in your group. The problems caused by bots and leechers should not be placed on anyone else other than the bots and leechers themselves.
I nor anybody else is lazy because we don't want to put in a 4 digit code. It's just that the problems caused by those few people who do bot or leech are not ours to deal with.
Livingston
/no sign
I don't think this would stop bots anyway. People would just stay to type in the 4 numbers, then leave. And they'd come back when they needed to do it again.
I wouldn't care much about having to type in 4 letters before an area, but I would quit the game if I had to click on a random spot periodically.
Livingston
I don't think this would stop bots anyway. People would just stay to type in the 4 numbers, then leave. And they'd come back when they needed to do it again.
I wouldn't care much about having to type in 4 letters before an area, but I would quit the game if I had to click on a random spot periodically.
Livingston
Faer
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Erh..I don't think they can, just like the forum system with numbers in an image.
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If you'd put a button at a random place on the screen, changing every time, could you programm a bot to click it?
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It'd take me about five minutes to program a bot to do that. And I'm not the best programmer around.
Not only is your suggested solution an inconvenience to all legitimate players, it is also a great way to piss off thousands of people who, like myself, already have to go through enough crap to load into a zone. Plus, it wouldn't stop the botters at all (except perhaps those that bot by means of a simple macro).
If you want to suggest a way to stop bots, try to do some research beforehand.
lilnate22
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Oh by the way, question: If you'd put a button at a random place on the screen, changing every time, could you programm a bot to click it? |
idk if u didnt kno this or not but every thing on a comp is stored as #s and everything has a unique value. all u have to do is program the bot to find the value for that buttton an wallah!
how o u think ppl do the 10pip regen glitch?
hyro yamaguchi
Well Faer, I was trying to , but the mods decided it was a suggestion.
I wanted to know wether this was possible.
I wanted to know wether this was possible.
Faer
I agree with the moderators; your original post was written in the form of a suggestion, not in the form of a query as to how bots work. Therefore, the movement of it to Sardelac was justified and appropriate.
I understand where you're coming from, but please remember that Google is your friend. You're probably not going to find out how they work here, and therefore, you won't really find out if this is possible (which it is, to an extent, but it's extremely impractical) on these forums.
I understand where you're coming from, but please remember that Google is your friend. You're probably not going to find out how they work here, and therefore, you won't really find out if this is possible (which it is, to an extent, but it's extremely impractical) on these forums.