shambling > vamp ??

my MM atm runs
Flesh Golem,Horrors and Vamp Horrors
and yes i know a lot of people use fiends but when out with henchmen i dont quite trust them to keep the chittering hoard of foes from knawing at my ankles while im trying to summon.
anywho to my question ~
both shamling and vamp horrors have a 15 sec recharge so when nightfall comes out i would like to pack one or the other, to me it looks like shambling horrors will have the upper hand, and they cost 10 energy less to summon, but what do you guys think? Shambling or Vamp??

~A Leprechaun~

I really like the health boost from vamps so I don't have to think about healing myself.
Shamblings also have their obvious plus.
So I say take both and drop the golem
You can have your 3 minions (vamp , shambling , horror/fiend) and use a different elite instead of golem - jagged bones for instance. I do think having 4 different minions would be too many on your skill bar

I could never thing replacing my vamps. Not only are they nice damage dealers but have a real nice heal. Think. A skill that does damage and heal, and using a damage attribute. And since you can only have 10 minions I like mine strong.

Shambling vs Vampiric?

Never tried Shambling, but would I give up my Golem for Jagged? I'll give that a shot. The thing you must look at is what do you plan to do? A re-usable corpse (Golem), or turining the Shambling into another form of undead.

If you are talking straight up Shambling vs Vampiric, then I'll take Vampiric. Health recoup is better than none.

but then the question is really is Vamp better than shambling AND jagged in one?

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^ yes

Yes, but since Jagged Bones is an elite and it is used to create a Jagged Horror, you must take that into consideration. Which means, you lose the other possible elites.

But like I said, I'd rather have healing given back to me rather than not having it. I can't remember what abilities does the Jagged Horror or the Shambling Horror have over the Vampiric Horror?

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Again, you are a MM, do what you do best, not throwing disease around and neglecting your minions. You don't see healers going around meleeing people do you?
Throw in Vamp, Shambling, Fiend/Horrors, Golem/Jagged Bones/AOTL/OoU and then throw in BOTM and some healing skills and/or Rez.
Your minions will be dishing out damage/tanking anyway, so there's no need for you to throw in disease and damage around unless you are solo farming with a MM (those were good times =/ )
4 Minion skills are not much, after all, you are a MM.

but why do you need 4 different types on minion??????
its not like you can have more that way

~A Leprechaun~

No, but you get options. I want to be able to gain life back, have some Fiends for backline firing, and some bleeding going on + a rampaging Golem whenever I feel like.

Well now you also have to consider vampiric with Order of Undeath....
Looks to me like they just tried to broaden MM to where it becomes completely opinion....I know some losers with no life are still going to try and waste time getting the straight facts on which is better but its still opinion and has been since Factions came out.

What minions to use is determined by what role your MM is currently playing. Farming in SF with B/Ps could mean you provide tanking minions or actually use fiends in conjunction with Winnowing and FW and kill faster. No one should bring both >> (Well some people bring Horror with Fiend just in case they have an unexploited body and not enough energy to animate a Fiend).
Your MM is how you make it, so there is really no "THE BEST BUILD".

Having multiple minion types does more than just give you options, it helps you defeat the recharge. If a body drops, you need to move quickly to grab it before the enemy does, and if you just raised a Vampiric, you have 15 seconds before you can start your long cast to get the next one.[/Bloody_Obvious]

I personally think that Vampiric + Shambling is an excellent combo, leaving you open to take Jagged Bones if you care to. Those who argue that the Golem gives you a reusable corpse miss the point in that with JB, all corpses are reusable (if you plan ahead a bit).

I also like keeping Vampirics around to offset the per-attack cost of OoU. You lose 2% but gain an extra 17 (at DM16) on top of what you normally would. I call that a fair trade. Now you can spend the rest of your skills on keeping them alive and not worry about yourself.

My 2 cents: With Nightfall, MMs became fun again. You can see a Necro with minions in tow, and not instantly know his full skillbar -- and that will make him deadly.