Underground Fighting's 1v1 Warrior Ladders

BowLad21

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

This, + math, shows how this is obviously a scam. I pay 10k to enter, so do nine of my buddies. We play, the winner gains 40k. He shares it among us. We are now all much poorer, and not so much happier. The creator of the tourney pays 100g for each invite. After sitting at the gh for 10 minutes, he makes a massive gain with small losses.

pigdestroyer

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Chavos Del [ocho]

W/

I remember some pve scrubs running this kind of 1on1 war tourny on my alliance... it was embarrasing a bunch of dolyak sig wamos... those 1v1 tourneys are the lowest of the low

Franco

Franco

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

England

VoB

Me/

like i said before... this is just a chance of wammos to kill each other and flame away.

Taurus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mexico

Go for the eyes [jizz]

W/Mo

Make the entrance fee lower ( 0 gold if possible, but with no rewards also ), limit it to pure warriors only and this lil thing your running might be worth something.

Franco

Franco

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

England

VoB

Me/

Mm i didnt know wammos had gold.

audioaxes

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

1v1 is just beyond silly as the game was not designed for it
there will be many cases where 2 certain builds going at each other will result in a stalemate.... how fun is that

Lawnmower

Lawnmower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/R

A way an interface could work:


You walk up to another play in an outpost. You target the player(or click on it). You press C(challange).

A interface pops up on the other players screen. "Player X has challanged you to a duel.

Please set timelimit:

-1 Minute
-2 Minute
-3 Miutes
-5 Minutes
- 10 Minutes
- 30 Minutes
- Unlimited

Win based on;

-Total Damage output
-Who has most health(%) by the end of the fight
- others?


Both players agree on the rules, and they can then fight in towns. Maybe only a few towns. a little circle will appear in the town where the players can enter. Other players can't enter this circle. A flag will appear just above the circle, with a mark or logo to indicate that a duel has begun. A messege across the entire district will appear. "Player X has challanged Player Y, to a 5 minute fights, where the one with the most total damage output wins".

Other players(spectators) will be able to target the flag, just outside the circle where the two people fight, and gamble. Specators will be able to simply put their money in their inventory down on a player. Odds will go in and against favors, to add to the game.

This is not only cool because it gives players reasons to use money on finding out who has the best builds to counter the other players builds, but also because it adds suspense and fun.


:-D

Alonzo

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

The Death Riders

Me/E

Ok if y'all would actually go to the two websites that have been provided earlier on in the thread and read the rules and how matches have been there is a time limit set, 5-10 mins somewhere in there I believe 10 is going to be max it was 5 at first but the exact is undecided it does not just go on forever and yes when the time limit is reached there is a decision made by the judges/admins, (the main reason they are there) based on certain criteria. And for the one who said its a scam, the minimum for the 10k ladder is 4 people hence the minimum prize of 40k if more people join the 10k ladder the prize goes up accordingly... everyone will get their rewards, until/if we open the ladder to free entry and it becomes the challenges for best stats, fame, and more. So please ive said it before and i'll say it again before you go coming up with your "great ideas" or things that should be required in this 1v1 tournament read/ glance through the websites some of it might already be covered. (I might not have covered all complaints or reasons this might not work but o well... If you dont like it DO NOT POST NO ONE CARES HOW MUCH YOU THINK THIS IS LAME OR ABOUT YOUR "ULTIMATE" BUILDS)

EDIT: Entry fees are no more, but there is a 5k membership fee upon joining, which allows access to all ladders. THERE WILL STILL BE REWARDS/PRIZES

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
EDIT: Entry fees are no more, but there is a 5k membership fee upon joining, which allows access to all ladders. THERE WILL STILL BE REWARDS/PRIZES
Now it's sounding more and more like a scam...

Trvth Jvstice

Trvth Jvstice

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

HALE

W/

Just for argument's sake, let's say that 10% of the GW community like the idea of 1x1 warrior battles. Even at 5% that would still be a ton of people with like interests. Why do you have a problem with these thousands of people that want to test their skills/ have some fun?

A forum like this is the best way to draw more people that like the idea. It just makes sense for him to post here.

To the warrior haters/brainiacs that think they are too smart or elite to play a warrior: Many (or most) of the people involved in a contest like this have deeply examined their build and the different ways a warrior can be played. Of course we know that a good mesmer, nec, ele or monk can shut down and kill most warriors. This is about the tactics involved in a warrior vs warrior fight.

With the common warrior against most other professions, the other profession can use just a few skills to greatly reduce the warriors ability to hurt them. If a monk .eg knew ahead of time that he was going to face a warrior 1 on 1, the warrior wouldn't stand a chance.

But lets say that the monk knew that he was facing another monk 1 on 1, imagine the strategy and pre planning that would be involved. If the OP had made this a post about casters going 1 vs 1 there wouldn't nearly as many people against this.

Osi Ri S

Osi Ri S

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

N/

the website didnt work for me so if my suggestion was already covered then my bad. I suggest you make it PURE war vs war. I myself am not a big fan of war vs war because all it boils down to is a blocking/riposte fight (Auspicuous Parry ftw)

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

I can just see people hammering each other over the head. (no pun intended)

Warrior is about the most predictable class. The secondary would be what counts in your 1v1 matches.

Spader

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

W/Mo

mmmhmmm

i don't know how many wars i've killed with SS with a necro secondary and a zelaot axe. love when the run next to there monk woooooottt.

trankle

trankle

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

BloodBath & Beyond

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by BowLad21
This, + math, shows how this is obviously a scam. I pay 10k to enter, so do nine of my buddies. We play, the winner gains 40k. He shares it among us. We are now all much poorer, and not so much happier. The creator of the tourney pays 100g for each invite. After sitting at the gh for 10 minutes, he makes a massive gain with small losses.
What?!?!

Use math to help yourself, not saboutage yourself. Enter alone and win. 40k winnings minus 10k investment equals 30k. That's math.

Why on earth would you spend 100k to enter a 40k contest? That's a scam you and your buddies are playing on yourselves. If you and 19 friends entered and split the same prize, would it be a bigger scam?

A scam is a scam if the money paid/recieved is not as advertised. Assuming that the guys are legit (and there's so far no reason to believe otherwise), then it's simply a matter of whether you feel:

A. The fight would be fun for you

and/or

B. The chance of winning is worth the advertised fees.

Don't call someone a scammer just because your buddies can't do math.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by martialis
Binding Chains
Shadowsong
One hit from Shadowsong will cancel Binding Chains. Any sort of spirit in a 1v1 battle is a bad idea, because the other party can simply move.

Ghull Ka

Ghull Ka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Seattle, WA

Grenths Helpdesk

N/

Cool in theory; but get rid of all the entry fees and just give away prizes or you're a scammer.

Ozric

Ozric

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Texas

Phoolz Like Us

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
A way an interface could work:


You walk up to another play in an outpost. You target the player(or click on it). You press C(challange).

A interface pops up on the other players screen. "Player X has challanged you to a duel.

Please set timelimit:

-1 Minute
-2 Minute
-3 Miutes
-5 Minutes
- 10 Minutes
- 30 Minutes
- Unlimited

Win based on;

-Total Damage output
-Who has most health(%) by the end of the fight
- others?


Both players agree on the rules, and they can then fight in towns. Maybe only a few towns. a little circle will appear in the town where the players can enter. Other players can't enter this circle. A flag will appear just above the circle, with a mark or logo to indicate that a duel has begun. A messege across the entire district will appear. "Player X has challanged Player Y, to a 5 minute fights, where the one with the most total damage output wins".
This would be cool. though I don't know how'd you implement it one match at a time in a busy city like KC or LA. Would go a long way though to make sleepy outposts like HoD, Serenity Temple, and Durheim Archives more interesting.

Add a duel queue, and scratch the gambling and global announcement ideas though. Just being in town doing your errands and being able to observe the duelists skill usage would be enough for me.

Lawnmower

Lawnmower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozric
This would be cool. though I don't know how'd you implement it one match at a time in a busy city like KC or LA. Would go a long way though to make sleepy outposts like HoD, Serenity Temple, and Durheim Archives more interesting.

Add a duel queue, and scratch the gambling and global announcement ideas though. Just being in town doing your errands and being able to observe the duelists skill usage would be enough for me.

that would be sweet. most likely will never happen. Anet would never do such a thing

linh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mo/

I wish I were a mod

martialis

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

RA, reporting you

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetdoc
One hit from Shadowsong will cancel Binding Chains. Any sort of spirit in a 1v1 battle is a bad idea, because the other party can simply move.
Kiting and running are not allowed and the entire fight has to take place at a fixed point. Binding chains is just for the first 10 seconds of the fight, and I was just trying to make the gayest warrior build I could think of.

[QUOTE]there is a time limit set, 5-10 mins somewhere in there I believe 10 is going to be max it was 5 at first but the exact is undecided it does not just go on forever and yes when the time limit is reached there is a decision made by the judges/admins, (the main reason they are there) based on certain criteria.[QUOTE]

It also says that the the judging criteria are a secret. So since all matches will be this long, and the rules that decide the winner are a secret, how can anyone know which skills to bring? If I bring divine boon, do I win automatically? The website tells us nothing about how to play in this game. It doesn't tell us the rules.

[QUOTE]before you go coming up with your "great ideas" or things that should be required in this 1v1 tournament read/ glance through the websites some of it might already be covered. (I might not have covered all complaints or reasons this might not work but o well... If you dont like it DO NOT POST NO ONE CARES HOW MUCH YOU THINK THIS IS LAME OR ABOUT YOUR "ULTIMATE" BUILDS)[QUOTE]

Many people seem to think it's lame, and it's obvious that it won't work. The reasons it won't work are listed for you here, but you refuse to change anything. I'm sorry you don't like my ultimate build. What do you want people to post in your thread?

Good luck with your scam, and remember, Healing Hands FTW!

Alonzo

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

The Death Riders

Me/E

You go on ahead and think it's lame honestly I dont give a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO about what you think... if you don't want to do it and just want to sound like a hardass by saying its a terrible idea, just don't post... it's prety simple if you think you're big and bad because in a forum thread you believe you show off your knowledge of an online game and disprove everything said, then congratuRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOinlations do you want a cookie? honestly keep it to yourself if it's just bashing the idea of this because no one cares... and so you know I never said the judging criteria was a secret I just did not state what the criteria was, so don't go making shit up now because then you'd be the one lying now wouldn't you? I'd just like to say how is it obvious it won't work when it is already in progress right now...? just wondering because it seems to me that when something such as this idea is actually taking place it is indeed "working." How you have come up with the idea this is a scam is beyond me like i've said at the beginning of the post why is it you come to the automatic conclusion that it is a scam?

What Now Homie

What Now Homie

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

I'm currently looking for a PvP guild

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
You go on ahead and think it's lame honestly I dont give a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO about what you think... if you don't want to do it and just want to sound like a hardass by saying its a terrible idea, just don't post... it's prety simple if you think you're big and bad because in a forum thread you believe you show off your knowledge of an online game and disprove everything said, then congratuRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOinlations do you want a cookie? honestly keep it to yourself if it's just bashing the idea of this because no one cares... and so you know I never said the judging criteria was a secret I just did not state what the criteria was, so don't go making shit up now because then you'd be the one lying now wouldn't you? I'd just like to say how is it obvious it won't work when it is already in progress right now...? just wondering because it seems to me that when something such as this idea is actually taking place it is indeed "working." How you have come up with the idea this is a scam is beyond me like i've said at the beginning of the post why is it you come to the automatic conclusion that it is a scam?
>_> /rage

Sasuke The Betrayer

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

I dunno, but it sounds like a good thing to make money like that... BECAUSE, if the prizes of 1k/5k are 10k and like 15k. And lets say the 10k grand prize is 50k.... well although you gain money... The person who hosts and gathers the money gets all the $$ for... wait... doing a 1v1 pvp battle in a team pvp game. Hm, you should've done this in WoW buddy, not Guild Wars. If you were talking in a respective order, that means the 5k ladder winner gets 25k. I notice you have 16 players in the 5k ladder. That means you gain 80k from that, and only give 25k to the winner. Why not everything? or does this mean you only did this competition to gain money... and not really for the greater good for everyone? You deserve all the flaming your getting, especially when you posting in a place where many experienced players feel much different from you. I'm betting the only contestants you have are noob wammos who need money desparately, as i have seen, to earn the 25k, by only paying 5k.

If I were the creator, I would hand out ALL the money I get for entrance for EVERYONE. You know how much fun and different it would be if it was 8v8 of pure warrior tankers? That'd be fun, well not really, juts meatshields bsahing each other to death, but how about 8 v 8 like a real GvG battle. Also... if you keep that red engine up, you';ll be expecting more flaming lol

azunder

azunder

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
You go on ahead and think it's lame honestly I dont give a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO about what you think... if you don't want to do it and just want to sound like a hardass by saying its a terrible idea, just don't post...
Some of the replies give good reasons why they're bashing it. If you can't address those reasons, then you don't make your idea look any better.

For example:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tainek
but hang on a moment, you cant remove hex's AND remove Conditions, AND remove Enchants with one single class
He's saying the idea won't work because to consistently win, it's impossible to bring enough counters to cover everything. Because of this, it's basically luck if you brought the right skills or not. What's your answer to this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
it's prety simple if you think you're big and bad because in a forum thread you believe you show off your knowledge of an online game and disprove everything said, then congratuRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOinlations do you want a cookie? honestly keep it to yourself if it's just bashing the idea of this because no one cares...
You should care if people bash your idea or not. If you can't disprove them, people will belive their opinion and won't join your ladder.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
and so you know I never said the judging criteria was a secret I just did not state what the criteria was,
so don't go making shit up now becauseit obvious it won't work when it is already in progress right now...? just won then you'd be the one lying now wouldn't you? I'd just like to say how is dering because it seems to me that when something such as this idea is actually taking place it is indeed
"working."
I think what they refer to as "working" is having a 1v1 warrior ladder which needs great strategy and skill. Unfortunatly, from what we've seen, it looks like it will be like a raffle. If you were lucky enough to bring the right skills to a match, you win without question.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
How you have come up with the idea this is a scam is beyond me like i've said at the beginning of the post why is it you come to the automatic conclusion that it is a scam?
When someone asks for money, the scam alarm bells start to ring. Yes, it's possible that this is a scam. Whether it's a scam or not, can't really be proven until someone trusted actually tries out your ladder and tells us. Don't act like it's impossible for you to scam anyone with this.

Also, upping the entry fee is a bit suspicious. It's like a scammer realizes that he won't get that much victims, so he tries to increase the profit per victim.

xDusT II

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Melbourne

Although the idea is good.. There are just too many builds and counters out there to make this anywhat a test of skill.

The problem is. in most 1v1's. Two people will pack a rage of skills to try to counter as much as they can. Let's use a forum example and say someone (Player 1) brought Healing Hands.

After Player 1 destroyed player 2 with healing hands, they decided to have a re-match. This time player 2 brings shatter enchantment and Deals out massive damage to Player 1 whenever he uses HH...

Player 1 then goes off and uses a different build etc...


So the porblem here is that anyone here can be victorious if they just find the counters to the other players build...



PS. My Visage build will counter HH because of the energy drain. 'Fear me' would work ONLY if you wanded (probably a rule against that) otherwise it wouldn't charge up.
Then again shatter enchant ftw or e.denial would kill this build nicely.