Starting a Petition

Takurami Seishin

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2006

Silver Fox Society

R/A

I am creating a petition for the Guild Wars Developers. Many have voiced their support and I look to you, the forum viewers, to voice yours.

We want to be able to use class runes other than our own on our armor. We feel this will bring further customization for our characters and new opportunities on the battlefield. For the sake of an example I shall use my character:

Takurami Seishin is an R/A and he wields Shiro's Blades. Now, Shiro's Blades requires a whopping 15 Dagger Mastery to be able to fully benefit from its power. But he cannot attach a Rune of Superior Dagger Mastery to his armor because his primary is Ranger. This is the problem many face and feel it is rather unnecessary.

I am collecting signatures from you, the players, so that Guild Wars Developers will take notice of our call for change. Thank you for your time.

Supporters:
J Havoc
Jenova Sorrowsong
Takurami Seishin
Annon Hellregal

And hopefully more to come...

Lilanthe

Lilanthe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

/notsigned.

Don't you think that 55hp monk is enough ? Do you want to make them even more invulnerable ?

SaucE

SaucE

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

OgreSlayingKnife.com

[MEEP] Biscuit of Dewm

N/

/not-signed

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

/not signed

I can't believe you're spamming in game for this stupidity.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

/nay

Why don't you just switch to A/R instead?

Oh....right....then you will have another Zodiac Recurve Bow of Noob Bashing that has req. 16 Marksmanship. I see.

Seriously, the game has the primary/secondary profession mechanic for a reason, ok?

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Takurami Seishin
Takurami Seishin is an R/A and he wields Shiro's Blades. Now, Shiro's Blades requires a whopping 15 Dagger Mastery to be able to fully benefit from its power. But he cannot attach a Rune of Superior Dagger Mastery to his armor because his primary is Ranger. This is the problem many face and feel it is rather unnecessary.
Uh...use a weapon with a lower requirement?

This is a baseless petition.

explodemyheart

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Indiana

Gui1d War스 P01ic트 [Pr으]

Mo/

/notsigned

Quote:
Originally Posted by Takurami Seishin
Takurami Seishin is an R/A and he wields Shiro's Blades. Now, Shiro's Blades requires a whopping 15 Dagger Mastery to be able to fully benefit from its power. But he cannot attach a Rune of Superior Dagger Mastery to his armor because his primary is Ranger. This is the problem many face and feel it is rather unnecessary.
There are daggers with the exact same stats as Shiro's Blades, complete with a nice, low req! Find some. If it's all about the skin, I say that's your own problem and stop being so vain. Either that, or make an A/R and problem solved.

Off to start my petition thread for Anet to give us 8 more skill slots, because 8 is not enough... /sarcasm

Takurami Seishin

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2006

Silver Fox Society

R/A

My thread can go without the flaming, thank you.

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

Your thread should just go. Away.

Paperfly

Paperfly

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

/notsigned.

Pick up Chkkr's Pincers, which have the exact same stats except that they deal piercing instead of slashing damage... Oh, and they have a 9 Dagger Mastery requirement.

Brianna

Brianna

Insane & Inhumane

Join Date: Feb 2006

yeah this is a bad idea, then theres no point in having a Necro as an MM, u could have an ele MM instead with 15 death then, that makes no sense at all, if u just think about the logic of having second professions and why they dont let u use runes from professions other then ur own it makes alot of sense.

Ariali Maiyr

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2006

A/W

Wow I hadn't the slightest idea that the guild wars community could be this jerky. He had an idea that he threw out there. At the most giving the weapon suggestions or valid reasons why it isn't a good idea, but that much unnecessary rudeness is ridiculous. If you think about it the concept of using your secondary professions runes is not illogical. After all you can use teh skills and you can put max skill points into them. You wouldn't be able to put a rune in the primary ability anyways. So seriously get over yourselves and show a litlle common curtousy.

Lilanthe

Lilanthe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

The real reason behind this petition is the guy want to be a wannabe scimitars dual-wielder ranger like Drizzt.

/end thread.

explodemyheart

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Indiana

Gui1d War스 P01ic트 [Pr으]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariali Maiyr
If you think about it the concept of using your secondary professions runes is not illogical.
Not illogical? Maybe not illogical, but it's not necessary. At all. That's why you're allowed more than 1 character slot and can have a primary of any class. Do you not realize the full implication of what's being asked? Do you not realize how utterly imbalanced it would make some things? Anet would have to nerf things simply to allow people to put sup secondary runes on their armor when they don't even need to, because they already have plenty of character slots to have a primary with sup runes.

As for the rudeness, such is life. Not everybody's going to sit around and coddle people. It's worse in real life, if internet bothers you so much you're really going to have a hard time in the real world.

awelcomecomatose

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

CHICO

Axes Of Evil [AoE]

N/

/unsigned.

The reason for the hostile response from others is no surprise. Throwing out ideas is one thing but he is actually trying to make this a part of the game with this petition and if it were to happend I would quit playing. If you coudl use rune on your secondary there would be virtually no reason to choose one class over the other minus the apperance and inherent ability of that character. I see no problem what so ever with not being able to use ruins on your secondary esp sup runes.

Vahn Roi

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

/notsigned. It's a matter of balance.

Scutilla

Scutilla

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Tyrian Explorers League

R/P

You can petition all you want, but simply put, ANet is not going to do what a petition says if it unbalances the game or goes against their vision for the game, regardless of how many signatures are on it.

A better choice would have probably been to create a thread to discuss the subject (which this will probably turn into anyways) and discuss the pros and cons of it. If ANet reads the discussion and sees that it's a good idea, and sees that people are in favor of it, they might consider it. A flat-out petition with no real reasoning behind is not as likely to recieve much attention.

vinegrower

vinegrower

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Song of the Forsaken

E/

/not signed

Both runes and primary attributes are key to the balance between the classes. Take one or both away and that balance will collapse.

And Shiro's Blades is a very bad example, especially since you could simply use a different green with the exact same stats except that they require 8 instead of 15. Problem solved.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

/not signed

There's a reason they're called "Primary" and "secondary" professions. If you want to get the max use out of daggers & assassin skills? Make a primary Assassin.

Ken Dei

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

"Signet of Dissapproval"

while I like the idea in that little fantasy work where I kill everything. As been stated, it's not a good thing balence wise.

HOWEVER. I think every single person who has flamed the OP should be ashamed, and re-examine their tolerance levels.

In addition, the example provided by the OP was probably just that. An example, but of course everyone pints it in the worst light possible. Yet another thing to be ashamed of.

I'm sure the mods will role in with the tanks any moment now.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

/sets thread on fire

No

MMSDome

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

lol

/notsigned

why dont you make a list of non supporters?

Aki Soyokaze

Aki Soyokaze

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Vancouver

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariali Maiyr
If you think about it the concept of using your secondary professions runes is not illogical. After all you can use teh skills and you can put max skill points into them. You wouldn't be able to put a rune in the primary ability anyways. So seriously get over yourselves and show a litlle common curtousy.
Show common courtesy? The point of his petition is so that he can make himself stronger, not so that the Guild Wars gaming experience can be improved. And even if you overlooked this how can you overlook the balance issues that can arise from allowing people to stick runes on their armor from other classes?

But you're right, I didn't think about it... because you don't need to give any thought to come up with the obvious answer....

/notsigned

Does-it-Matter

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

N/

As has been said, and apparently needs to be reiterated, this isn't a good idea.

You're adding possibly nine more points to attributes. Think of all the 55 builds that would pop up if this was implimented. While yes, it could have possitive effects, I don't feel it would outway the downside.

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Now, as a side note. To my knoweldge, the only person "flaming" (and by that, I mean coming close if you have a VERY thin skin...) is Cacheelma.

Seriously people, a statement that goes against yours is NOT a flame. It's called criticism. Flaming involves personal attacks. And by personal attacks, I mean off topic. Harsh criticism, is still criticism.

Additional side note... if you say something extremely stupid like "babies taste better after they've been in a blender" expect to be the subject of off topic criticism.

This has been a small dip into the real world. Thank you, and I return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

Oh a GW forum

Oh a GW forum

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

W/

Possibly the worst suggestion ever.

/notsigned

/taunt

DeathandtheHealing

DeathandtheHealing

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2006

In a PVE GUILD YAY! :P

Me/Mo

hahahahaahahahhaha.......

wait i'm not done holding my sides

hahahahahahhahahahahhaahah

Resp

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

E/Me

/notsigned sure ))

Signed to nerf your R/A experise :P )))

Caleb

Caleb

Nil nisi malis terrori.

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/Me

........

/nothankyou

jonnybegood

jonnybegood

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

huh?

The Final Exodus[FX]

/not signed those blades were made for Sins only and aren't all these useless petitions redundant?


"This has been a small dip into the real world."

Dont you mean the internet?

Kool Pajamas

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

wouldnt be balanced

/not signed

elsalamandra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Although I do not agree with the petition, I find it pathetic the adverse and negative remarks by some of the people answering.

Quote:
'As for the rudeness, such is life. Not everybody's going to sit around and coddle people. It's worse in real life, if internet bothers you so much you're really going to have a hard time in the real world'
LOL.

get a grip man, I would like to see you say that face to face in real life as it is so easy to hide behind your monitor and slag off this person who has merely made a suggestion.

By the way, now you have somebody else to slag off now and please do lol.

explodemyheart

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Indiana

Gui1d War스 P01ic트 [Pr으]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by elsalamandra
Although I do not agree with the petition, I find it pathetic the adverse and negative remarks by some of the people answering.



LOL.

get a grip man, I would like to see you say that face to face in real life as it is so easy to hide behind your monitor and slag off this person who has merely made a suggestion.

By the way, now you have somebody else to slag off now and please do lol.
I would say it to your face, or anyone else's, for that matter. Don't presume to know what I would or would not do in any given situation. If I feel a certain way I have no problem saying it because unlike some people, I do have a backbone. I really don't care how people feel about me, in person or otherwise. If they don't like what I have to say, it's their problem, not mine. I'm a very abrasive sort of person. If you don't like me, that's fine. If you do, that's fine too. I don't care either way.

I still stand by my original statement. If you can't handle people's bad attitudes on the internet, how the hell do you manage in real life? The real world is much, much worse and people will say it to your face. People that you can't turn around and "tell off", less you lose, say, your job. Grow a thicker skin, deal with it.

JoeKnowMo

JoeKnowMo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Wessst Siiide, USA

Mo/

/notsigned

I'd flame, but it's a lil too easy in this case

Sir Mad

Sir Mad

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Moe's Pub

Pigs Can Fly [Pigs]

R/

/not signed

"Secondary" profession are called secondaries for a reason. A R/A is not supposed to be as a good with daggers as a A/R for example.

Harvey Birdman

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

NO.

Also, I think you should get rid of the names of other people who agree. Y'know, to save them from embarassment.