Halloween Contest Rule thing, pretty funny

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While reading the rules for the new contest I found this:

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Canadian residents will be required to answer an additional mathematical question in order to claim their prize.)
the hell?

Lilanthe

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Canadian law.

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Anet is sectionalist.

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Probably some legal issue.

People in Quebec can't enter either, thats funnier.

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That same mathematical question are also given to canadians who want to purchase food, water, and shelter... they're basically trying to purge these lesser-canadians who don't know how to solve basic math.

lol jk

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omg... why do people always see more then there is when it comes to this...

This same thing is in all contests, the nightfall party also has this its not Anet that thinks of it its what they have to do in order for canadians to also be able to have a chance to win.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill_testing_question

From what i understood reading it law in canada dissalows people winning something out of pure luck, you HAVE to do something for it,the math question is enough for it to be counted as legal.

Btw the question might be something like what is 2+2= ? so its not hard its just so you have to do something for it

Lilanthe

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
People in Quebec can't enter either, thats funnier.
I wonder why though.

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Exactly. The Canadian gov't holds strict control over gambling in Canada, but if something is considered a reward for a "Test of Skill" then the gov't is ok with it.

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Lol, now that's dumb. They don't want gambling, but they provide a simple rule so EVERYONE with half a brain can gamble anyway. What's the point in that??? Only to show they disapprove, but because they can't stop people anyway, they think of this rule so they can still claim they are against it?
(My country, The Netherlands, has loads of these rules too, which I think are absurd. They call it "gedoogbeleid" meaning "tolerance-policy". They can thus state they are against it, but will tolerate it. Decide what you want governments! don't make silly laws like these. They're no use. Either forbit it, or legalize it.)

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again only for north americans o.o

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Originally Posted by Xenex Xclame
Btw the question might be something like what is 2+2= ? so its not hard its just so you have to do something for it
Maybe they sould make the math problem easier. *giggle*

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It isn't going to affect you much. It will be a very simple math question such as

2(5+4)=?

If you cannot do that then, well, google will have the answer

Edit: As a little aid to people unsure on how to do this.. You solve algrabraic equations like the simple example above with the following method. You do parts of the equation before other parts in this order:
  1. B rackets (Everything inside brackets)
  2. I ndices (The little ²'s and ³'s next)
  3. D ivide (Divide if you need to)
  4. M ultiply (Then times stuff)
  5. A dd (Then add things)
  6. S ubtract (Then take other things away)

bigwig

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this should explain the skill testing question
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill-testing_question

and i believe quebecers aren't eligible due to quebecs law system being different from the rest of canada. This stems from quebec being colonized by france instead of britain, their law systems being different.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legolas Ravenwood
It isn't going to affect you much. It will be a very simple math question such as

2(5+4)=?

If you cannot do that then, well, google will have the answer

Edit: As a little aid to people unsure on how to do this.. You solve algrabraic equations like the simple example above with the following method. You do parts of the equation before other parts in this order:
  1. B rackets (Everything inside brackets)
  2. I ndices (The little ²'s and ³'s next)
  3. D ivide (Divide if you need to)
  4. M ultiply (Then times stuff)
  5. A dd (Then add things)
  6. S ubtract (Then take other things away)
Or you can remember it with a rhyme and make it easier on yourself.

Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally

Parentheses
Exponents
Multiply
Divide
Add
Subtract

Very simple order of operations. If you don't know that by college you are teh fuxored.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Bath
Or you can remember it with a rhyme and make it easier on yourself.

Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally

Parentheses
Exponents
Multiply
Divide
Add
Subtract

Very simple order of operations. If you don't know that by college you are teh fuxored.
That's funny, i've been taught "Brackets Exponents Division Multiplication Addition Subtraction" my entire life.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by maedrarle
While reading the rules for the new contest I found this:



the hell?
That's just an absolute insult to Americans...thank god I'm Chinese

M1h4iL

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Lol I seem to think of South Park when reading this, and how they LOVE canada.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Bath
Or you can remember it with a rhyme and make it easier on yourself.

Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally

Parentheses
Exponents
Multiply
Divide
Add
Subtract

Very simple order of operations. If you don't know that by college you are teh fuxored.
>_> that's what I use as well.

Lilanthe

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwig
this should explain the skill testing question
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill-testing_question

and i believe quebecers aren't eligible due to quebecs law system being different from the rest of canada. This stems from quebec being colonized by france instead of britain, their law systems being different.
Quebec was conquered by the British afterwards.

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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10053978

tells why they have to take a test

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of all the questions to ask, why does it have to be mathematical ?

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Because it's a universal language.

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Is it sad that I'd rather have prizes 5 through 9 than 1 through 4? Do people entering this contest really need a copy of Factions or the Factions Prima guide? It really should be Nightfall goodies, not Factions.

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i thought the questions would have something to do with guild wars instead

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I'm a Chinesse Canadian, do I still have to take the test??

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If you live in canada yes.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Electric Sky
i thought the questions would have something to do with guild wars instead
From reading the Wiki:
That wouldn't work under the law.

It has to Test your Skill. And knowing information about Charr doesn't mean you are skilled or smart in real life.

Also stuff like 2+2 isn't a test of skill, it has to be a REAL math problem, something that a 1st grader couldn't answer.

Anyway...Wiki mean mentions that this law isn't even enforced anymore, Anet just has a history of making a thousand percent sure that they are on good terms with every country they sale their games in.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by some guy
I'm a Chinesse Canadian, do I still have to take the test??

Like you can't solve the question

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
Also stuff like 2+2 isn't a test of skill, it has to be a REAL math problem, something that a 1st grader couldn't answer.
Probably something like:

4+16x2-6/2

At least, that's what I found in my Mars Bar a few months ago..

Juhanah

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As for quebec not being able to participate, is because of Loto-Quebec. Every commercial contest, casino and luck games have to be approved by them first. And imo if the cost to have it approved is more than the actual prize of the contest.. There's no reason to get it approved.

I also don't think Anet and their sponsors wanna go through all the legal stuff just to get a small halloween contest approved in Quebec.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loto-Quebec

dmndidjit

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Fear not Canadians, all the Halloween Art Contest says is "Canadian residents will be required to answer an additional mathematical question" not "correctly answer an additional mathematical question."

At least it is only an additional question, not subtractional or multiplicational, or the dreaded long divisional. Though I wonder if this actually means everyone now has to answer a math question and Canadians have to answer an extra one.

Regardless, I’m pretty sure you won’t have to worry about getting it right. If being right was a requirement the brain trust at ANet would surely need to get an outside company to administer the test and I doubt they have the budget for that.

Now that was uncalled for. Every time someone picks on ANet a pixel cries.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Juhanah
As for quebec not being able to participate, is because of Loto-Quebec. Every commercial contest, casino and luck games have to be approved by them first. And imo if the cost to have it approved is more than the actual prize of the contest.. There's no reason to get it approved.

I also don't think Anet and their sponsors wanna go through all the legal stuff just to get a small halloween contest approved in Quebec.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loto-Quebec
Oh...I live here and I didn't know that. I've always wondered if it had something to do with the language barrier. But last year there were a few Quebec winners so I wonder how that worked out? Oh well, this somewhat calms me down but not enough. Maybe I'll send in the entry anyways and have a US guildie claim the prize.

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Didn't anyone read what I posted last time somebody asked about why the whole skill-testing question deal exists here in Canada? Anyone?

Only the federal and provincial governments can run games. Lotteries, casinos, betting, and yes, Guild Wars Halloween Art Contests, are forbidden by law. BUT prizes may be awarded for games of skill or games of chance and skill, providing that entry into the contest is free (the "no purchase necessary" clause, which I always miss in American ads ). The skill-testing question (which, as ruled by the Alberta Provincial Court, must contain the four basic mathematical processes) guarantees that the game does in face contain an element of skill and thus does not violate the Criminal Code.

Of course, that's without going into the situation in Quebec...

And a little disclaimer:
I'm no law talking guy.

trickfred

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
Probably some legal issue.

People in Quebec can't enter either, thats funnier.
Quebec does have different (some would say silly) laws regarding contests that the rest of Canada (they often charge fees to the contest holders as well), and many companies find them too difficult/bothersome to deal with. It's much, much easier and less time-consuming to just exclude Quebec. It's a rather common occurrence.

/Canadian
//Anyone want Quebec? We won't miss it.


P.S. - For more information on the subject:

"Montreal, Canada, June 18, 2005

Void in Puerto Rico, Quebec and New York. This legal small print appears on all almost 90% of North American sweepstakes and contests. Big corporations like Pepsi, Best Buy or MGM are constantly using contests and sweepstakes as a marketing strategy to promote their products nationally in the US and Canada. However, the French province of Quebec with almost one third of the population of Canada is often not included in any contests. Indeed, it has to do with charity and contest laws in the province of Quebec. When planning national contests, companies are confronted with a unique set of rules and regulations in order to include Quebec. The Regie des Loteries et Courses du Quebec requires long preparation times and fees for approval. As a result a great number of national contests promoted by national brands exclude the province of Quebec. To shed some light on the issue, we have contacted the government agency responsible for slot machines, horse races, lotteries, sweepstakes and contests in Quebec. The following is a list of required steps in order to accomplish the impossible, get a sweepstakes approved in this unique Canadian province. The rules of a publicity contest must be accessible to the public and must include as a minimum:

·The conditions for entering the contest
·The places where the public must deposit or send the contest entry forms
·The deadline for entering the contest
·A description of the method of awarding the prizes
·The place, date and time the prizewinner will be named
·The media used to inform the winners of the prizes won
·The place, date and deadline for claiming prizes, or where applicable, whether the prizes will be delivered to the winner
·The information about how a jury will select the winners
·The nature of the skill-testing requirement that a winner has to satisfy in order to claim his prize
·A person for whom a publicity contest is carried on shall furnish security to the board where:
1)He has a head office or place of business in Quebec declared in accordance with the laws of Quebec
2)He has not been convicted of an offence against the Act or these Rules in that year precede the date of the launching of the publicity contest
3)That the value of a prize offered to Quebec residents is more than $ 100


It is recommended for companies wishing to offer contests and sweepstakes in Quebec to contact the Regie des Loteries et Courses du Quebec by visiting their website at www.racj.gouv.qc.ca

Meanwhile, until Quebec loosens its rules and regulations, a good site to enter contests valid and legal in Quebec is Quebec Concours located at: www.quebecconcours.com
There, you will find an extensive list of games, contests, sweepstakes, lotteries and surveys that pay participants. The site is a free resource for all Quebecois residents.

Bernard Gagnon
Canada Gaming Agency."

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dmndidjit
Fear not Canadians, all the Halloween Art Contest says is "Canadian residents will be required to answer an additional mathematical question" not "correctly answer an additional mathematical question."
so the rule is still flawed then? a canadian can answer "Yes" if he is asked "2+2" and claim the prize.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilanthe
I wonder why though.
Oh come on, everyone knows quebecians suck at math.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legolas Ravenwood
It isn't going to affect you much. It will be a very simple math question such as

2(5+4)=?
Answer is 18! What do I win?

Oh and that Canadian law is rather funny.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiki
A court decision ruled that these must contain at least three operations to actually be skill testing; for example, a common question might be "(2 × 4) + (10 × 3)" (Answer: 38)
I seriously can't believe a court sat around and decided on how hard a math problem had to be. I mean imagine the debate that ensued!

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Quote:
Oh come on, everyone knows quebecians suck at math.
Now we all know about your bad culture....

Btw im from Québec and its true that Loto-Québec take a lots of space and are not easy to deal with sometimes. For the math problem its always a real joke like this: 4+2-2x4/4= So if you win something like a Million buck and dont know how to solve this its not looking good for you lol

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Originally Posted by CleverLoginName
That's funny, i've been taught "Brackets Exponents Division Multiplication Addition Subtraction" my entire life.
Technically they are both right since mult/division and add/subtraction are actually supposed to be done simataneously.

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So does that mean i won't be able to go one the Halloween Event cause i live in quebec?
If so...that really sucks...