Sick of people Spamming WTB commendations 150g
krameriffic
This is a combination of information dissymmetry and Darwinism. Sorry, but if you want a game devoid of all real world logic and reason, maybe you should look into Hello Kitty Island Adventure; or perhaps you could invent a time machine and go back to antebellum Georgia so you can exercise your "chivalry".
Trvth Jvstice
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Originally Posted by Kha
If two people agreeing to the price of the commendation and trading it for 100 or 150 gold is immoral, then all trading in the game is immoral since there is no defined prices (just guidelines) and we just sell at what we agree to.
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It's "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Not- "Do unto others then run."
Trvth Jvstice
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Originally Posted by krameriffic
This is a combination of information dissymmetry and Darwinism. Sorry, but if you want a game devoid of all real world logic and reason, maybe you should look into Hello Kitty Island Adventure; or perhaps you could invent a time machine and go back to antebellum Georgia so you can exercise your "chivalry".
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ChaoticCoyote
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Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks
I just wanted to see how many other people do not like to see obvious scamming take place.
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If they were paying 10g per commendation, I might agree witht he scamming accusation -- but 150g is a reasonable price for something people received for "free" by doing quests. The fact that someone can turn 750g-worth of commendations into items worth 1k or more is a matter of understanding the game economy.
There exist better ways of making money; however, buying low and selling high is a long-standing foundation of modern commerce.
floppinghog
lets stick the rock to the pole and remember the phrase: BUYER BEWARE. period
no one forces ppl to sell their little papers, and i spent a long time buying many of one the commendation verisons to trade for my ales. and a number of times people asked me what they were for first, i directed them to quartermasters, and some decided not to sell.
very simply put: its their freaking fault, who cares (and i wasnt lookin to "scam" anyone - i saved money indirectly, buy paying less than 250 for ale in my eyes)
no one forces ppl to sell their little papers, and i spent a long time buying many of one the commendation verisons to trade for my ales. and a number of times people asked me what they were for first, i directed them to quartermasters, and some decided not to sell.
very simply put: its their freaking fault, who cares (and i wasnt lookin to "scam" anyone - i saved money indirectly, buy paying less than 250 for ale in my eyes)
Puddin Cheeks
This is rather hiRarious to watch unfold.
"Better someone else lose 50gold than me", Stellar Logic there.
Yeah the amount of gold is cheap, but that is not the point.
Okay, I'm running down a crowded sidewalk with a knife and someone gets stabbed. "Oh, my it isn't my fault, they knew I had a knife."
"Better someone else lose 50gold than me", Stellar Logic there.
Yeah the amount of gold is cheap, but that is not the point.
Okay, I'm running down a crowded sidewalk with a knife and someone gets stabbed. "Oh, my it isn't my fault, they knew I had a knife."
Trakata
This is not a scam.
A scam would be the ever-infamous "Pay me 10k and I'll tell you how to make 100k an hour" only to have the "secret" be to do the same to other people. That's a scam.
If I spammed, "WTB Drago's Flatbow 75k" and I got a PM from somebody wanting to sell to me, was I scammed? No. If I had spammed "WTS Drago's Flatbow 75k" and gotten a buyer, did I scam him? No. We agreed on a price.
For more concrete values, the same applies. If I spammed "WTB Commendations 500g each" and got PMs, I wasn't scammed. I chose to pay 500g each. If I said, "WTS Commendations 50g each" and got a buyer, did he scam me? No.
That said, buying low and selling high is common practice and not at all immoral. For a real world example, if I bought a motorcycle for $200 because the seller didn't know how to fix it up, and I proceeded to fix it up and sold it for $1000, did I scam either the buyer or the seller? Of course not, it's simple business mechanics.
A scam would be the ever-infamous "Pay me 10k and I'll tell you how to make 100k an hour" only to have the "secret" be to do the same to other people. That's a scam.
If I spammed, "WTB Drago's Flatbow 75k" and I got a PM from somebody wanting to sell to me, was I scammed? No. If I had spammed "WTS Drago's Flatbow 75k" and gotten a buyer, did I scam him? No. We agreed on a price.
For more concrete values, the same applies. If I spammed "WTB Commendations 500g each" and got PMs, I wasn't scammed. I chose to pay 500g each. If I said, "WTS Commendations 50g each" and got a buyer, did he scam me? No.
That said, buying low and selling high is common practice and not at all immoral. For a real world example, if I bought a motorcycle for $200 because the seller didn't know how to fix it up, and I proceeded to fix it up and sold it for $1000, did I scam either the buyer or the seller? Of course not, it's simple business mechanics.
TheUndertaker
First to the OP, your avatar is cool.
Other than that this thread is lame. You say you are out to help new players from losing their 50g. Okay, that's noble enough.
Let me put myself into the shoes of a new player. I have done some quests, I have let's say 7 commendations. Someone says they will buy them for 150g, that's 1050g for all. Now I realize, b/c even though I'm new I'm not a dullard, that there is obviously something they can get w/ my commendations that they can't get w/ 1050g. So I have 2 choices:
1. Sell em and get my 1050.
2. Spend time trying to figure out whatever it is they are trading for. If I choose to spend that time, I can then start wasting my time trying to "scam" others. That will be my reward for spending time trying to learn the so called scam, that could have been used playing the game.
I sell mine.
Other than that this thread is lame. You say you are out to help new players from losing their 50g. Okay, that's noble enough.
Let me put myself into the shoes of a new player. I have done some quests, I have let's say 7 commendations. Someone says they will buy them for 150g, that's 1050g for all. Now I realize, b/c even though I'm new I'm not a dullard, that there is obviously something they can get w/ my commendations that they can't get w/ 1050g. So I have 2 choices:
1. Sell em and get my 1050.
2. Spend time trying to figure out whatever it is they are trading for. If I choose to spend that time, I can then start wasting my time trying to "scam" others. That will be my reward for spending time trying to learn the so called scam, that could have been used playing the game.
I sell mine.
Kha
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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice
The point is, the person is taking advantage of a new or newb player. This is the same as the people in pre-searing buying black and silver dyes from new players for 100 gold, just on a smaller scale.
It's "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Not- "Do unto others then run." |
With Imperial Commendations and what not, you can easily find out how much it is worth by seeing what you can get with the items from the guardsmen. If people are too lazy to figure out this price on their own (which is really not that hard to do), then they are not getting scammed but rather just letting other players dictate how much they should sell things for.
And in both cases one can research this stuff on fansite forums and websites. Not everyone may know of this way, but it really doesn't take a genius to figure out that there would be websites discussing game information.
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Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks
This is rather hiRarious to watch unfold...
Okay, I'm running down a crowded sidewalk with a knife and someone gets stabbed. "Oh, my it isn't my fault, they knew I had a knife." |
Relnor
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Originally Posted by Trakata
This is not a scam.
A scam would be the ever-infamous "Pay me 10k and I'll tell you how to make 100k an hour" only to have the "secret" be to do the same to other people. That's a scam. If I spammed, "WTB Drago's Flatbow 75k" and I got a PM from somebody wanting to sell to me, was I scammed? No. If I had spammed "WTS Drago's Flatbow 75k" and gotten a buyer, did I scam him? No. We agreed on a price. For more concrete values, the same applies. If I spammed "WTB Commendations 500g each" and got PMs, I wasn't scammed. I chose to pay 500g each. If I said, "WTS Commendations 50g each" and got a buyer, did he scam me? No. That said, buying low and selling high is common practice and not at all immoral. For a real world example, if I bought a motorcycle for $200 because the seller didn't know how to fix it up, and I proceeded to fix it up and sold it for $1000, did I scam either the buyer or the seller? Of course not, it's simple business mechanics. |
Zehnchu
Simply put it’s not a scam.
There are a few items that can be traded for commendations that have any value. 5 Commendation can get you 1 platinum and that’s from selling the superior salvage kit back to a merchant. I am not sure about elite mission keys for the sell back value to merchant same with the rare scrolls. Since there is a huge supply of commendations they have very little market value.
In the end it’s up to each player to determine if it has any real value to them and it’s their own choice to sell them or not.
There are a few items that can be traded for commendations that have any value. 5 Commendation can get you 1 platinum and that’s from selling the superior salvage kit back to a merchant. I am not sure about elite mission keys for the sell back value to merchant same with the rare scrolls. Since there is a huge supply of commendations they have very little market value.
In the end it’s up to each player to determine if it has any real value to them and it’s their own choice to sell them or not.
swimnserve88
From what I can tell, this stems from ANet's lack of foresight to place correct monetary values on items that are exchanged for other items of equal (and many times lesser) value. Ever heard of Troll Tusks?
I buy Monastery Credits for 75-100g each, then exchange them for ale, which I then take to Droks, proceed to get drunk for an hour straight, and spam WTB Troll Tusks, and chances are, I barely break even, not to mention I still need to run the tusks to the trader. Now, if I were a 55er or W/Mo that had just been out farming, and I see a person wanting to buy my tusks, I have 2 options:
1) Sell em then and there, and get back to farming for more tusks faster
or
2) Hold onto them, and then spend the time later to run to the trader and exchange them and so on and so forth
Now, it comes down to convenience. Do you want to spend more time making more money, or less time making less money? Whether or not one is faster than the other is not something I want to test out, if it can even be done considering the variables involved.
Now, onto the Commendations. Sure, a good majority of people know how much commendations are worth, and some do not. However, there is more behind the person spamming WTB Commendations 150g etc.
1) How many people have actually sold to him? I have been in districts for 10 minutes at a time and have had no replies to buying and selling Black Dye, doesn't mean I have gotten or sold a dye for each time I spammed.
2) How many people just want the cash right on the spot? Honestly, I have merched greens a few times, simply because it isn't worth my time to sit around and try and get that 1k for Shreader's Talons, or some other less-sought after greens. And let's not mention the ever popular Shing Jea greens, those are always a joy to see dropped...
3) How many people do not know any better, but see that they are getting 150g from an item that merches for much less? In the end, it is their choice to sell those things, not the buyers' choice. It is always the seller's choice for the most part, and if the buyer makes clear that he has a firm price in mind, then it falls onto the seller, does he want the cash now or will he hold out for more?
Basic economics is at play: Buy/sell now at price X or buy/sell later at price Y, but the thing is, over time, which is more effective, buying/selling X and then continuing with anything else you had to do, ie make money, armor, quest, dyes, etc, or holding out for price Y and sitting on your cash/item for the perfect moment, which may take minutes, hours, weeks, etc. How do you want to spend your time to make the most of it?
During the Dragon Fest, there was a mda rush to get orbs during the opening hours of the event, before the quests. Turns out, people were buying orbs at ridiculous amounts of money. Now, ANet makes a few quests the next day that give out 240 orbs. How do the mad rush buyers feel now?
I can tell you that I made a good amount of cash by buying orbs at a low price and then selling them later for a higher price. Took a butt-load of time and effort on my part, but it worked. I didn't want a mask, nor did I feel like I was cheating people, because I was able to get orbs from willing sellers and sell to willing buyers. In the end, everyone won, because they wouldn't have made those choices at the time had they not wanted to. Sure, looking back, it seems like it may have been considered a possible scam, but then hindsight is 20/20, and orbs are worthless now. So it comes back to what do you want form the time you spend making/spending cash in game.
And there is a whole other can of worms to open about the Ranik sellers in Pre-Searing, talk about people being lazy....
My opinion: let people buy and/or sell at the prices they want, it will fall to the other people in the district to decide how they want to respond to the text that flies ever so rapidly during peak selling hours. And it also depends on whether the seller is determined enough to sit through any flak or lulls in trading that he may experience.
I buy Monastery Credits for 75-100g each, then exchange them for ale, which I then take to Droks, proceed to get drunk for an hour straight, and spam WTB Troll Tusks, and chances are, I barely break even, not to mention I still need to run the tusks to the trader. Now, if I were a 55er or W/Mo that had just been out farming, and I see a person wanting to buy my tusks, I have 2 options:
1) Sell em then and there, and get back to farming for more tusks faster
or
2) Hold onto them, and then spend the time later to run to the trader and exchange them and so on and so forth
Now, it comes down to convenience. Do you want to spend more time making more money, or less time making less money? Whether or not one is faster than the other is not something I want to test out, if it can even be done considering the variables involved.
Now, onto the Commendations. Sure, a good majority of people know how much commendations are worth, and some do not. However, there is more behind the person spamming WTB Commendations 150g etc.
1) How many people have actually sold to him? I have been in districts for 10 minutes at a time and have had no replies to buying and selling Black Dye, doesn't mean I have gotten or sold a dye for each time I spammed.
2) How many people just want the cash right on the spot? Honestly, I have merched greens a few times, simply because it isn't worth my time to sit around and try and get that 1k for Shreader's Talons, or some other less-sought after greens. And let's not mention the ever popular Shing Jea greens, those are always a joy to see dropped...
3) How many people do not know any better, but see that they are getting 150g from an item that merches for much less? In the end, it is their choice to sell those things, not the buyers' choice. It is always the seller's choice for the most part, and if the buyer makes clear that he has a firm price in mind, then it falls onto the seller, does he want the cash now or will he hold out for more?
Basic economics is at play: Buy/sell now at price X or buy/sell later at price Y, but the thing is, over time, which is more effective, buying/selling X and then continuing with anything else you had to do, ie make money, armor, quest, dyes, etc, or holding out for price Y and sitting on your cash/item for the perfect moment, which may take minutes, hours, weeks, etc. How do you want to spend your time to make the most of it?
During the Dragon Fest, there was a mda rush to get orbs during the opening hours of the event, before the quests. Turns out, people were buying orbs at ridiculous amounts of money. Now, ANet makes a few quests the next day that give out 240 orbs. How do the mad rush buyers feel now?
I can tell you that I made a good amount of cash by buying orbs at a low price and then selling them later for a higher price. Took a butt-load of time and effort on my part, but it worked. I didn't want a mask, nor did I feel like I was cheating people, because I was able to get orbs from willing sellers and sell to willing buyers. In the end, everyone won, because they wouldn't have made those choices at the time had they not wanted to. Sure, looking back, it seems like it may have been considered a possible scam, but then hindsight is 20/20, and orbs are worthless now. So it comes back to what do you want form the time you spend making/spending cash in game.
And there is a whole other can of worms to open about the Ranik sellers in Pre-Searing, talk about people being lazy....
My opinion: let people buy and/or sell at the prices they want, it will fall to the other people in the district to decide how they want to respond to the text that flies ever so rapidly during peak selling hours. And it also depends on whether the seller is determined enough to sit through any flak or lulls in trading that he may experience.
Livingston
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Originally Posted by Trakata
This is not a scam.
A scam would be the ever-infamous "Pay me 10k and I'll tell you how to make 100k an hour" only to have the "secret" be to do the same to other people. That's a scam. |
Livingston
Trakata
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Originally Posted by Livingston
Actually I'm not sure I would call that a scam either, that is if the person proclaiming it actually did make that much. I seriously doubt someone could be so sly to get that to work often enough to say that you can make 100k "an" hour, which would suggest a constant flow of cash as long as you execute "the secret," but if they said how to make 100k "in" an hour, that would be different. Once again assuming said person had actually done so before. In which case if he has, then there is no scam as it can indeed work.
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MMSDome
theres nothing wrong with that because the other person is getting more money out of it then you are. I used to buy these to buy ale and get drunk.
Gros Albert
I don't think it's a scam at all...
it's a way of making money....
if someone is buying perfect gold weapons all day long and then he sell them at an higher price...it's not scamming...it's a way to make money
and if your tired of them....just off you trade and local chat...simple as that
it's a way of making money....
if someone is buying perfect gold weapons all day long and then he sell them at an higher price...it's not scamming...it's a way to make money
and if your tired of them....just off you trade and local chat...simple as that
Indian
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Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks
This is rather hiRarious to watch unfold.
"Better someone else lose 50gold than me", Stellar Logic there. Yeah the amount of gold is cheap, but that is not the point. Okay, I'm running down a crowded sidewalk with a knife and someone gets stabbed. "Oh, my it isn't my fault, they knew I had a knife." |
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Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks
It is funny that everyone keeps comparing the game to the "real" world.
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Learn.Learn.Learn. thats all you can do. and please OPEN your eyes
Kais Unduli
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Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks
I never tried to say that, but apparently the only way to play the game is to be a complete A**hole.
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I believed you've pointed your thoughts directly at yourself.
TEX Cougar
I'm currently one of the people 'spamming' the 'Buying ~ALL~ Monastery Credits - 100g each!'
Why? Simple, buying credits for 100g helps me get drunkard title for half the price!
If people ever ask "what are the credits used for?" I explain fully what you can do with them, and ive even helped a few with missions and quests to help them get more credits and xp because they asked.
As for the scamming? Theres no scamming going on here at all!
Puddin cheeks, you wrote "Okay, I'm running down a crowded sidewalk with a knife and someone gets stabbed. "Oh, my it isn't my fault, they knew I had a knife."
Ok this is a little absurd, to simplify, the victim didnt have a button to click on to 'accept' the stabbing..
Why? Simple, buying credits for 100g helps me get drunkard title for half the price!
If people ever ask "what are the credits used for?" I explain fully what you can do with them, and ive even helped a few with missions and quests to help them get more credits and xp because they asked.
As for the scamming? Theres no scamming going on here at all!
Puddin cheeks, you wrote "Okay, I'm running down a crowded sidewalk with a knife and someone gets stabbed. "Oh, my it isn't my fault, they knew I had a knife."
Ok this is a little absurd, to simplify, the victim didnt have a button to click on to 'accept' the stabbing..
Hollerith
People who buy troll tusks at 20g ea. scam as well.
I'm just kidding, I think this is silly. When I first started out, I needed plant fibers to craft some armor at Ascalon. I WTB'd, and talked the seller down to an attractive 150g per fiber. It's not his fault he didn't know the value of plant fibers, and I gave him what I thought was a fair price.
I gave up being protective of everyone back when I played Diablo1 on BNet for a couple months. Let them learn.
I'm just kidding, I think this is silly. When I first started out, I needed plant fibers to craft some armor at Ascalon. I WTB'd, and talked the seller down to an attractive 150g per fiber. It's not his fault he didn't know the value of plant fibers, and I gave him what I thought was a fair price.
I gave up being protective of everyone back when I played Diablo1 on BNet for a couple months. Let them learn.
Divinus Stella
Dont most people just junk the commendations anyway?
Way too much effort to lag into a city full of spamming morons and find your way to some chinese man just to trade it in for an ID kit or some crap.
Way too much effort to lag into a city full of spamming morons and find your way to some chinese man just to trade it in for an ID kit or some crap.
TEX Cougar
Its not that much effort to find a quartermaster, and still even if you do want to junk them then you'd be more than happy finding someone wanting to buy them from you
fenix
The main reason people buy Commendations and similar items cheap, is because you can trade them for ale. Ale costs 200g from the Merchant, whereas if you can get yourself Commendations for 100g or 150g, you save ALOT of money. I'll do a bit of math:
Incorrigable Ale Hound title:
10000 mins drunk, so 10000 ales
10000*200 = 2,000,000g
10000*150 = 1,500,000g
10000*100 = 1,000,000g
In theory, you can make a saving of 1 million gold, just by buying the Commendations for 100g from people.
Incorrigable Ale Hound title:
10000 mins drunk, so 10000 ales
10000*200 = 2,000,000g
10000*150 = 1,500,000g
10000*100 = 1,000,000g
In theory, you can make a saving of 1 million gold, just by buying the Commendations for 100g from people.
Riken Chrono
actually most of the people you see that spam that are trading it for ale, not trading for scrolls or w/e then selling those. This has nothing to do with scam if they're making a profit off it..its the same thing as buy low sell high. Guess half or more of the people in guild wars are scammers then :/
Talon hit the point.
Talon hit the point.
Thallandor
Echoing the rest of the posters. Most players buy them for 100g to trade for ales for titles, not neccessary scamming them for 50g as mentioned by the OP. Its the same as buying black dye for anything thats less than a decent amount from a player in pre. It happens cause of knowledge or rather lack of it. Scam? If so smart buying/selling in all aspects can be considered a scam. If this disturbs the OP to no end, perhaps instead of asking them to leave, this and most online games rather perhaps isnt for you.
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/anyways vote for closure for obvious reasons.
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/anyways vote for closure for obvious reasons.
Puddin Cheeks
For the majority I feel that several people on this thread had very valid points. Yes it can be a cheaper way to achieve your drunkard title and also many people will sell for 150g just to avoid having to make a couple of transactions for a measly 1k.
The money never was the issue and I didn't realize how many people were actually going for the drunkard title. I guess once you have beaten all of the games and have an unlimited amount of money anyway getting drunk must be a fun thing to do.
As for comparing things to the real world. I can go to the store and get a Case of Bud Light without having to spam in the parking lot for tokens to make it cheaper.
I have enjoyed reading everyones posts, so please stop holding me by the throat for making comments that offend you.
/please close this thread for sanity reasons.
The money never was the issue and I didn't realize how many people were actually going for the drunkard title. I guess once you have beaten all of the games and have an unlimited amount of money anyway getting drunk must be a fun thing to do.
As for comparing things to the real world. I can go to the store and get a Case of Bud Light without having to spam in the parking lot for tokens to make it cheaper.
I have enjoyed reading everyones posts, so please stop holding me by the throat for making comments that offend you.
/please close this thread for sanity reasons.
Phoenix Arrows
You can't say that everyone buys Commendations to exchange and resell as Sup Salv Kits, as I know a few people who don't do that. I, for one, buy Commendations for Ale, as I like Titles and I want this Drunkard one . Anyways...pointless thread IMO. This is just a market trading thing; buy low sell high. Not scamming unless you get something different than what you had a deal to trade for. Close please.
Loki Seiguro
umm i don't think it matters. some poeple know what they do but don't care for any of it. why just today i bought 500 imperial commodations lol. i asked him if he knew what they did and he said yeah but i don't give a &&&&.
and if some poeple don't know what they do they should ask before selling
- and yes its clever trading
and if some poeple don't know what they do they should ask before selling
- and yes its clever trading
elLOCOmutha
I'll pay 150gp to anyone that can close this thread!
Obviously Anet has no consitency when punishing certain scammers and letting others go on doing what they do. If you swear and someone screenshots it and reports it you will get a warning maybe even temp suspend...but scamming is alright in anets eyes it seems. Anet neds to rethink how they are running this game or it will go down the dumps more than it is already imo.
Obviously Anet has no consitency when punishing certain scammers and letting others go on doing what they do. If you swear and someone screenshots it and reports it you will get a warning maybe even temp suspend...but scamming is alright in anets eyes it seems. Anet neds to rethink how they are running this game or it will go down the dumps more than it is already imo.
Phoenix Arrows
Well...this isn't exactly scamming...both sides agree on a deal and both sides get what they want.
TEX Cougar
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Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks
For the majority I feel that several people on this thread had very valid points. Yes it can be a cheaper way to achieve your drunkard title and also many people will sell for 150g just to avoid having to make a couple of transactions for a measly 1k.
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Pretty much everyone ive seen buying the commendatioons or credits have been going for the drunkard title, at half price you cant really go wrong!
Still if anyones holding it to your throat, who cares? You've given your thoughts and opinions, be they wrong or right you've put them there for discussion!
The only thing i disagree with though are the comparions to real life, as its only a game
Caleb
WTB Imperial Commendations - 125 gold. PST me!
warriorsmiley
I for one dont see it being a scam its a way to fuel titles cheap. Some people use it to buy ale i myself use it to get forbiddens keys for 450 a pop instead of 600 each.
Master Fuhon
A better question revolves around why people "aren't very nice in game" instead of why they are scamming. I've been in groups where an ectoplasm falls sometime during the course of a whole wipe. I let the matter sit for a matter of time, until I start to think that my group members have suddenly turned into bloodthirsty vultures waiting for the ownership flag to run out. In one group, we specifically had 3 people trying to convince a person that an ectoplasm had value. This person was just going to let it stay on the ground, until people said, "You will be glad you made the decision to pick it up when you go to the Rare Materials Trader".
Now I've been scammed by those damn NPC vendors in the past with dyes, although for some reason I kept the Black/Silver ones because they were pretty. I also been fortunate enough not to vendor any top selling warrior weapons, because warrior was the first class I played through the game. I kept my Commendations because I assumed they would have a purpose, and I explored towns and found these guys a week after I had started playing Factions.
It's a matter of: "Hey, welcome to the internet". People don't have to worry about empathizing with anyone else because the other person is just a name on the screen. Or more importantly, there is no fear of retribution for anything that you do to that person. The commendation signets thing is overkill compared to the more complex scams people are running.
This is a natural part of a competitive world, where people haven't experienced enough in their lifetime to know any better. "Someone's profit only comes at someone else's expense." Scammers continue to forge temporary relationships taking advantage of the weaknesses of other people. I hear too much of the high-and-mighty opinion that the competitive aspects of the world are the only ones that keep it going along. I can hardly remember the amount of times that someone has tried to gain an advantage over my supposed "naivety". It's clear that at some point in time, the person is only making the deal because they aren't aware of the value of the item. Otherwise, it would be "WTB booze 150g".
A place that lacks kindness, lacks a reason for me to go back there. What makes these forums go 'round, is the build/strategy sharing by the better players who have nothing more to profit from. What makes the game live on, is the talented players who waste their time helping you get through missions that you aren't skilled enough to beat on your own. At no point in time does a guy buying my commendation signets for a lower price contribute anything to anyone but himself. These people aren't scammers, but they are people who lack value (and you justify a title over it?).
Now I've been scammed by those damn NPC vendors in the past with dyes, although for some reason I kept the Black/Silver ones because they were pretty. I also been fortunate enough not to vendor any top selling warrior weapons, because warrior was the first class I played through the game. I kept my Commendations because I assumed they would have a purpose, and I explored towns and found these guys a week after I had started playing Factions.
It's a matter of: "Hey, welcome to the internet". People don't have to worry about empathizing with anyone else because the other person is just a name on the screen. Or more importantly, there is no fear of retribution for anything that you do to that person. The commendation signets thing is overkill compared to the more complex scams people are running.
This is a natural part of a competitive world, where people haven't experienced enough in their lifetime to know any better. "Someone's profit only comes at someone else's expense." Scammers continue to forge temporary relationships taking advantage of the weaknesses of other people. I hear too much of the high-and-mighty opinion that the competitive aspects of the world are the only ones that keep it going along. I can hardly remember the amount of times that someone has tried to gain an advantage over my supposed "naivety". It's clear that at some point in time, the person is only making the deal because they aren't aware of the value of the item. Otherwise, it would be "WTB booze 150g".
A place that lacks kindness, lacks a reason for me to go back there. What makes these forums go 'round, is the build/strategy sharing by the better players who have nothing more to profit from. What makes the game live on, is the talented players who waste their time helping you get through missions that you aren't skilled enough to beat on your own. At no point in time does a guy buying my commendation signets for a lower price contribute anything to anyone but himself. These people aren't scammers, but they are people who lack value (and you justify a title over it?).
Phaern Majes
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Originally Posted by Phoenix Arrows
Well...this isn't exactly scamming...both sides agree on a deal and both sides get what they want.
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To the OP if your really want to stop some of it, or at least get back at these low traders. Just inform the public they can trade 1 commendation for 1 scroll and then sell it for 200g. I mean am I scamming if I go around spamming WTB Kanaxi's Edge - 500g! No I'm not, I doubt anyone would sell it for that cheap, but should someone actually sell it, then thats not scamming just getting lucky on a buy.
Numa Pompilius
Hahahaha, I get the impression _a lot_ of people are doing this. I guess those 50 g/ea add up.
I bet it's the same people who used to scam newbies out of black dye in pre searing too.
But no, this isn't a scam, and the correct response would be either for ANet to add a 200g/ea option from the quartermaster directly, or for people with rather higher morals to explain to the newbies what the value of a commendation is.
I bet it's the same people who used to scam newbies out of black dye in pre searing too.
But no, this isn't a scam, and the correct response would be either for ANet to add a 200g/ea option from the quartermaster directly, or for people with rather higher morals to explain to the newbies what the value of a commendation is.
Roshi_ikkyu
I advertise to buy certain items at a given price, often low.
Its not scamming, buy low sell high
OP should have learnt from his first thread, build a bridge get over it.
Its not scamming, buy low sell high
OP should have learnt from his first thread, build a bridge get over it.
Stixxx
IMHO ppl who sell their recommendations to these guys are obviously too lazy to check trader prices. Has nothing to do with experienced or not experienced.
Franco
Well go to Shing Jea Monastery and Kainang and spam IMPERIAL ARE WORTH 200G AND GOD IS THE SALVATION OF EARTH, like those looneys in camden town, If someone wants to waste his money spammin W.T.B trying to make a 1k profit with a Sup salvage kit , then thats his problem lol.
Snowman
No, I agree! its not a scam, its nowhere near being a scam.
I wouldnt even call it 'clever' trading, whats clever about it? taking advantage of another persons ignorance is not clever and is a common trading practise world-wide.
Should something be done to stop this particular problem? should we make more effort to inform the ignorant?... well no, I dont think so..
However this is another issue that would benefit from an better trading system, auction house or Escrow which Guildwars so desperatly needs.
I wouldnt even call it 'clever' trading, whats clever about it? taking advantage of another persons ignorance is not clever and is a common trading practise world-wide.
Should something be done to stop this particular problem? should we make more effort to inform the ignorant?... well no, I dont think so..
However this is another issue that would benefit from an better trading system, auction house or Escrow which Guildwars so desperatly needs.