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Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

09 Oct 2006 at 17:47 - 1

http://www.guildwars.com/competitive...e/observer.php

One fundamental flaw which really annoyed me:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christian Brellisford

Observer Mode is a feature in Guild Wars that allows players to watch the top 100 guilds compete against other guilds in Guild-versus-Guild (GvG) combat. It is a great tool for players to see what other teams are running and helps people learn more about competitive play in the game.

So, uh, HA doesn't exist. Right. I do realize that Christian Brellisford is a GvG writer, but that comment is a little ignorant.

Also, I love how he excluded Assassins and Ritualists from the Profession tips.

Clord

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Finland

Victory Via Valour

09 Oct 2006 at 18:01 - 2

Also article ignores Assassin and Ritualist.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

09 Oct 2006 at 18:10 - 3

One day Zinger will make a thread about something before it's even posted on the GW site.

Kais Unduli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Room V

09 Oct 2006 at 18:33 - 4

Well, these are his personal observations. I guess he has very selective eyesight.

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

09 Oct 2006 at 18:36 - 5

HA < GvG.

That is all.

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

09 Oct 2006 at 18:38 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

So, uh, HA doesn't exist. Right. I do realize that Christian Brellisford is a GvG writer, but that comment is a little ignorant.

I believe his article was only in regards to GvG, so mentioning that HA is also viewable by observer mode is rather irrelevant. Neglecting to mention that something exists is not saying that something does not exist, nor does it show that it's existance is not known by the one who makes such a statement.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

09 Oct 2006 at 19:09 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

Neglecting to mention that something exists is not saying that something does not exist, nor does it show that it's existance is not known by the one who makes such a statement.

How many double negatives did you use in that sentence?!

Trvth Jvstice

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

HALE

W/

09 Oct 2006 at 19:23 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

How many double negatives did you use in that sentence?!

Yeah, I gave up after reading it 3 times lol

I suppose I could just add up all the negatives and if it's an odd number it means he disagrees with you. lol

Tingi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

09 Oct 2006 at 19:31 - 9

edit

read wrong argh

Divinus Stella

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Wales

Steel Phoenix

09 Oct 2006 at 23:41 - 10

I think anet are trying to say "dont waste your time, this new 6v6 isnt worth watching"

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

09 Oct 2006 at 23:49 - 11

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Originally Posted by Article

Warriors also tend to bring a defensive self-heal like Healing Signet. Watch how the Warriors use this to help their Monks save Energy, or when the Warrior has extended beyond Monk healing range.

Does the last part sound like he's trying to say that overextended warriors HS??

If so: lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

Also, I love how he excluded Assassins and Ritualists from the Profession tips.

That's anet saying something about those classes in GvG.

lennymon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Seattle

Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

10 Oct 2006 at 00:17 - 12

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Originally Posted by Article

You can open up multiple copies of the party window, one for each party. Press "P," then click the icon at the top of the window to open another one. Click the icon at the top of a party window to switch between different sides. Use this in Heroes' Ascent to keep tabs on more than one team.

I think this may be a reference to HA. Also, almost nothing in there is exclusive to gvg. Here's your lollipop.

Its a pretty decent article, which obviously was written JUST as observer mode hit the streets before Factions was released which explains the lack of Rit and Sin references. What Im saying is it's obsolete. Mesmers for example in the *current* metagame are NOT domination heavy. they are inspiration with either domination or illusion

Or Eles, only support role? Has anyone alse seen the number of Obs spikes out there lately???

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

10 Oct 2006 at 00:23 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by lennymon

I think this may be a reference to HA. Also, almost nothing in there is exclusive to gvg. Here's your lollipop.

Its a pretty decent article, which obviously was written JUST as observer mode hit the streets before Factions was released which explains the lack of Rit and Sin references. What Im saying is it's obsolete. Mesmers for example in the *current* metagame are NOT domination heavy. they are inspiration with either domination or illusion

Or Eles, only support role? Has anyone alse seen the number of Obs spikes out there lately???

Observer Mode debuted last December. So you are saying this article took ten months to write?!

lennymon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Seattle

Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

10 Oct 2006 at 00:49 - 14

or to publish, regardless what Im saying is that's the time it is reporting on in essence, the 'not-so-current-state-of-the-game'

edit:
As to the ha/gvg stuff: My bottom line implication is that the article is pretty dumbed down and has no real bias either way with a few refereneces to gvg (albeit as bland as boiled beef) and only one mention of HA - still the info is so generic as anything other than 'hey there is observer mode' as a translation of the entire article would be a stretch.

unmatchedfury

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Cookie Cutter [FTW]

10 Oct 2006 at 02:22 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clord

Also article ignores Assassin and Ritualist.

where?

i don't see it, maybe im missing something tho

Quote:

Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

I believe his article was only in regards to GvG, so mentioning that HA is also viewable by observer mode is rather irrelevant. Neglecting to mention that something exists is not saying that something does not exist, nor does it show that it's existance is not known by the one who makes such a statement.

which would explain why ritulists arn't mentioned, Im still confused about assasins though

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

10 Oct 2006 at 03:00 - 16

I think someone got it right; this article might have been written long before the HA got changed to 6v6. Thus, that part of article is a tad....off, so Anet remove it and any references to it.

Shadowfox1125

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

PST

W/

10 Oct 2006 at 03:35 - 17

I guess you can go contact him; his IGN is at the bottom of that article.

SasquatchTimeToDie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Cupertino, CA

We Are All Pretty {ugly}

10 Oct 2006 at 03:57 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

I suppose I could just add up all the negatives and if it's an odd number it means he disagrees with you. lol

heehee!

ShadowStorm

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Take me where I cannot stand.

The Better Part of Valor

W/N

10 Oct 2006 at 07:26 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

How many double negatives did you use in that sentence?!

Read it carefully. He didn't use any double-negatives. That sentence makes perfect sense.

Kais Unduli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Room V

10 Oct 2006 at 08:27 - 20

It is possible this guy only has Prophecies to play with, but even then, he should have seen a few rits or sins running around in Tyria at same point, and he has to have seen at least ONE (1) assassin in GvG. Crappy article writer; learn the game you write about.

Vermilion Okeanos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

10 Oct 2006 at 08:56 - 21

It appears to me that the article is recent enough, but the focus was "observe mode help you climb the GvG ladder".

While I don't know why sin and rit are left out. I assume the article was pasted together from old article and a few new typing.

Quote:

Read it carefully. He didn't use any double-negatives. That sentence makes perfect sense.

beats me to it

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

10 Oct 2006 at 09:11 - 22

I would assume that Assassin was left out because it's a very niche profession, and Ritualist was left out because the profession is virtually non-existant in GvG.

I would also assume that he didn't point people to watch HA because you're not going to ever become a better player from watching HA matches. Unless, like, you don't know how to interrupt the ghost.

Ditto that for spike on spike. There's very little to learn from watching a spike team play.

Peace,
-Cxe

lennymon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Seattle

Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

10 Oct 2006 at 19:16 - 23

I've been on observer mode a lot lately, and rits are not even close to non existant... Heck... I saw a 6 rit/2 monk team in gvg the other day - granted, not for long though

. Every bloodspike has em as well... Sins are far less prevalent. The article itself has nothing 'wrong' with it, but its just not valid to relate it to the current metagame at all.

unmatchedfury

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Cookie Cutter [FTW]

10 Oct 2006 at 21:46 - 24

Its kina sad how rits are pretty much ignored GvG wise. And from teh looks of the skills they're getting in Nightfall things aren't gonna look up for them much.

blackbane

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

new york

Korean Gawd Mode

Mo/A

11 Oct 2006 at 01:18 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

I would assume that Assassin was left out because it's a very niche profession, and Ritualist was left out because the profession is virtually non-existant in GvG.

In 6 months, there will be no monk proffesion, remember that

EDIT: no offense to the little story he wrote, but how come his notes on observer mode sound awfully like master togo speaking?? "Look master togo, there must be over 10 enemies there, what a glorious battle it shall be!. WAIT, Yijo, watch how we can wait to see if the groups will seperate, you wait here ill draw some to us"

Cirian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

European Union

The Amazon Basin

11 Oct 2006 at 13:36 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbane

"WAIT, Yijo, watch how we can wait to see if the groups will seperate, you wait here ill draw some to us"

What is this heresy?! An NPC's job is to aggro every mob on the planet

edit: I've been seeing Assassins and Ritualists in GvG. I think we'll be seeing more flavours of Ritualists in the future too, or at least I hope so.

Xasew

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Storm Bearers[SB]

11 Oct 2006 at 16:06 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehlemming

Does the last part sound like he's trying to say that overextended warriors HS??

If you're facing for example a degen team and you Warriors are in the enemy backline pressuring Monks, I'm pretty sure it's a hundred times wiser to use that Heal Sig than to run back to your Monks for a heal. Overextended Warriors Heal Sig all the time.