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mcsumo

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10 Oct 2006 at 23:06 - 1

Hi
I am trying to get my head around what makes a weapon valuable. I have screens showing various weapons I have picked up and as far as I can gather they are not worth that much. I don't want to bug the PC gurus with it since they seem so busy and stressed, so I figured I would see what everyone else thinks. Here are the pics:-

Now the bone staff is quite high req but has a bonus poison reduction mod, halves all spells casting 10% is max with 2 nice max mods, I thought it should be worth something but apparently it aint.

The earth staff :- max, max mods, halves recharge all spells, better req....still worth nothing

Does a staff have to have recharge AND casting time mods to be worth anything or is it purely about the skin?

The Long Sword....only purple

, not max

, inherent mod not good......so although it is a highly sought after skin, worthless i reckon/

The Fellblade max

, only purple

, inherent mod not great.....everyone loves fellblades but I am guessing this isn't worth much either.

Lastly a nice little spatha, max

, gold

, max inherent while enchanted mod

, but spathas aren't all that popular i gather, so is it worth anything? I really dont know on that one.

Please help, I would really like to understand these things better. All points of view will be appreciated.

HawkofStorms

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10 Oct 2006 at 23:11 - 2

Staffs must have recharge and casting mods to be considered worth anything. Just salvage the two staffs to get the insightful staff heads and then sell those for around 4k each.

And feel free to use the price check forum. More people then just price check guru's check there.

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

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W/Mo

10 Oct 2006 at 23:47 - 3

And more to the point - you can see everyone elses price checks and begin to learn the value of weapon skins, mods, etc. It can be pretty confusing at first but after a short while of studying you'll notice the patterns.

What makes a weapon more valuable?
-Max damage
-Max damage bonus (15% while over 50% being the most popular)
-Rare or desirable skin
-Gold (rare) color
-Low requirements
-Max modifiers

Stockholm

Desert Nomad

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10 Oct 2006 at 23:57 - 4

This is a good guid to pricing weapons.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3063024 sorry about that
Happy reading

Former Ruling

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11 Oct 2006 at 00:22 - 5

^ you gave no link lol

What makes a Weapon valuable for not:
1) Its Requirement. Low like 8 are always more expensive than high like 13.
2) For weapons, Its dmg mod. 15^50 is best, then 15 stance, 15 enchanted, and so on.
3) For Staves, It has to have Dual Inherent mods, a Casting time, and Recharge time mod.
4) For Sheilds, it has to have Dual max mods.
5) For Focii, Dual mods again needed
6) Skin VERY MUCH SO determines value. A 15^50 req8 Sparta is worth TONS less than a 15^50 req8 Gothic Sword for example.

Franco

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

England

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11 Oct 2006 at 00:40 - 6

-__- PCing forum ftw, and go merch that please.

HunterRose

Ascalonian Squire

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11 Oct 2006 at 01:03 - 7

Also when considering pricing an item (I'm no expert) you have to condsider the market. A half spell recharge 10% mod is nice, but not on a staff because if you consider greens or even collector staffs they get 20% HSR 20% HCT but it's limited to a certain attribute. Now if the staff hade HSR 20% (skill) HCT 20% (skill) HSR 10% then you've got something. Also the Wraps on those staffs are max def vs phy but most caster are in the rear so damage isn't there main concern (in PvE). So most staff weilders are looking for +20% extended enchantments.

My advise, when you have good weapon that isn't great, pawn it off to new players in Ascalon/Senji Monastary for cheap like 500-2k, whatever. This way you get a better then merchant price and a new player gets to start of with a weapon that's helpful and stylish.

Or like stated above try to salvage the best mods and sell them. Espesically when Nightfall comes out, the new salvage system is gonna cause chaos in the economy.

Former Ruling

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11 Oct 2006 at 01:38 - 8

Quote:

ow if the staff hade HSR 20% (skill) HCT 20% (skill) HSR 10% then you've got something.

You would have something because that is an impossible combination. You can have ONE Casting Time and ONE Recharge mod on them. So 20/20/10 is impossible.

All Staves are Rare and worth something if they have both a max casting and max recharge mod on them, though you are right that 20% of the same attribute is "better".

MOds on the weapons (be it staves or Weapons) NEVER effect the pricing of the weapons...slapping perfect mods on a weapon is something newer traders do thinking that their sword is worth more because they slapped a +30 on it..it isnt.

Warpy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Australia

Mo/Me

11 Oct 2006 at 01:58 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Former Ruling

You would have something because that is an impossible combination. You can have ONE Casting Time and ONE Recharge mod on them. So 20/20/10 is impossible.

Found this in a chest in UW, double damage mod, anyone seen one of those before?

Lil Macabre

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11 Oct 2006 at 02:15 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpy

Found this in a chest in UW, double damage mod, anyone seen one of those before?

Since when did chests drop blue crap?

Fake.

bart

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

11 Oct 2006 at 02:27 - 11

quest reward i reckon... too lazy to check

Warpy

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Mo/Me

11 Oct 2006 at 02:31 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil Macabre

Since when did chests drop blue crap?

Fake.

Not sure, but it was the chest near the Champion of Balthazar when you get your reward from the first quest. I also have seen ecto in FOW.

My mistake with saying UW but it was FOW, and yes I only have seen purple and golds from chests in UW and FOW, but this was from the large chest that doesn't require a key, so maybe it's different.

And that sword isn't crap.

And just so you know, it does drop in FOW and UW. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Long_Sword

Maybe your comments are fake?

Tachyon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

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11 Oct 2006 at 03:34 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil Macabre

Since when did chests drop blue crap?

Fake.

Perhaps you'd like to explain exactly what's crap about blue weapons!

Better still, tell it to my Mesmer. She uses a blue, max damage 20/20 HCT/HRT Illusion staff and she'll degen you into nothingness.

mcsumo

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11 Oct 2006 at 03:36 - 14

Well thanks for all the input guys (and gals)....I guess I just haven't seen enough really good drops yet to recognise the chaff from the wheat

. I will watch the PC forums closely to get more idea...now I am just getting to the stage where decent stuff drops for me.

Cheers!!

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

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11 Oct 2006 at 05:07 - 15

Apologies for the OTness, but:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpy

Not sure, but it was the chest near the Champion of Balthazar when you get your reward from the first quest. I also have seen ecto in FOW.

My mistake with saying UW but it was FOW, and yes I only have seen purple and golds from chests in UW and FOW, but this was from the large chest that doesn't require a key, so maybe it's different.

And that sword isn't crap.

And just so you know, it does drop in FOW and UW. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Long_Sword

Maybe your comments are fake?

1. Insulting people isn't a good idea.
2. That sword is crap, since it's non-max.
3. Chests don't drop blues.
4. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Garfazz...ng_%28Quest%29

lrn2wiki

Does-it-Matter

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11 Oct 2006 at 06:02 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehlemming

Apologies for the OTness, but:

2. That sword is crap, since it's non-max.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the HoD sword isn't max, the Nolani wand isn't max, the Ogre-Slaying Knife wasn't max (and had a useless, at the time, mod). Oh, and lets not forget that a Crystaline of any mod and any req/stat would still put most weapons to shame.

Here's the thing people buying weapons for FUNCTIONALITY aren't the ones spending millions of gold, at least statistically more times than not. Often enough, you'll see those people using crafted weapons.

The other group, the one that digs deep into their pockets, are the ones that buy a weapon because its special, unique or because "others think its cool" (call it popular if you want, but that's the ultimate result.)

For those people they will shell out the big bucks for anything that is unique (and let me tell you, a double base damage mod sword is unique!) It doesn't matter if its max damage, or low req, or good mods (although those will help the price) these items automatically start at an incredibaly inflated rate.

So to sum up all those words

Non-max =/= crap for non-functionality-based items.

Buzzer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

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11 Oct 2006 at 06:27 - 17

Quote:

and let me tell you, a double base damage mod sword is unique!

Nope. This sword is from a quest in Piken Square as tehlemming pointed out.

Akhilleus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

If it aint expensive, it aint worth buyin'.

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W/Mo

11 Oct 2006 at 07:10 - 18

the best way; hands down, to learning pricing, is by observation.
go to various trade districts and simply watch the WTBs/WTSes, watch who sits for hours upon hours spamming, not getting what they ask, and who spams for secconds before getting what they need.
it takes a little more time than simply asking "hey, whats XXXXXXX worth?" but, you may not know if the other persons accurate or not, and unlike with (most, im one of the few people i know who would tell you if it was easy, hard, or moderatly difficult to buy/sell an item at whatever price) pricechecks from other people, you will get an idea of how difficult a time it will be buying/selling the item, and how long it will take you.
im sure there are some traders who dont use my methods, and prefer asking others, but i prefer to rely on myself, not others (who may be biased).

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

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11 Oct 2006 at 07:29 - 19

This thread has made a turn for the worse.

Back on track...

Pricing on staves are very hard to wrap your head around. Basically if it isn't as good or better than a green staff, it isn't worth it to try to sell. Some staves that have a weird mix of mods are very useful for certain builds. Just look at the mods on the staff and think about what type of character that it would be perfect for. Try making that character and see if it is better than another staff.

For instance, a Mo/N healer using Offering of Blood could use a quirky cesta I found yesterday. It was r8 Blood and HSR Healing 20%. If it had +5 energy and HCT 20% I could probably sell it for 30k.

Warpy

Krytan Explorer

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Mo/Me

11 Oct 2006 at 09:56 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehlemming

Apologies for the OTness, but:

1. Insulting people isn't a good idea.

lrn2wiki

Please highlight my insult, so I can correct myself and apologise.

Ole Man Bourbon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Atlanta

GONG

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11 Oct 2006 at 16:02 - 21

Staffs just really aren't worth much no matter what. Even split-attribute staffs aren't worth much cause you can just use a wand and an offhand to get 2 attribute lines accounted for. The only thing I can think of being valuable is a staff with something like

20% x
20% y
Reduces Dazed duration

Otherwise, salvage for mods sell to merch.

Franco

Banned

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England

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11 Oct 2006 at 17:11 - 22

Quote:

Not sure, but it was the chest near the Champion of Balthazar when you get your reward from the first quest. I also have seen ecto in FOW.

My mistake with saying UW but it was FOW, and yes I only have seen purple and golds from chests in UW and FOW, but this was from the large chest that doesn't require a key, so maybe it's different.

And that sword isn't crap.

And just so you know, it does drop in FOW and UW. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Long_Sword

Maybe your comments are fake?

FOW does not drop ectos.
UW and FoW chests do not drop blue non max dmg weird items with 2 dmg mods.
Yes that sword is crap.

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

11 Oct 2006 at 17:40 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franco

FOW does not drop ectos.
UW and FoW chests do not drop blue non max dmg weird items with 2 dmg mods.
Yes that sword is crap.

There are specific monsters in Fissure of Woe that drop ecto. Need proof?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...fis sure+ecto

Nestaron

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11 Oct 2006 at 19:52 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sereng Amaranth

There are specific monsters in Fissure of Woe that drop ecto. Need proof?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...fis sure+ecto

Was just going to point that out... I keep telling people when i go to FoW but none of them believe me and refuse to kill the banshee...

Horseman Of War

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11 Oct 2006 at 20:24 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Former Ruling

^ you gave no link lol

What makes a Weapon valuable for not:
1) Its Requirement. Low like 8 are always more expensive than high like 13.
2) For weapons, Its dmg mod. 15^50 is best, then 15 stance, 15 enchanted, and so on.
3) For Staves, It has to have Dual Inherent mods, a Casting time, and Recharge time mod.
4) For Sheilds, it has to have Dual max mods.
5) For Focii, Dual mods again needed
6) Skin VERY MUCH SO determines value. A 15^50 req8 Sparta is worth TONS less than a 15^50 req8 Gothic Sword for example.

This guys pretty much correctomundo... and I will add to it

1.I have no need for a req 8 for anything personally (maybe tactics shields.. if applicable) If im using a skill its usually at least 12-15 if not 16... but perfect rares with req 8 ARE the most expensive... and most sought after.
2. I prefer the +15%always with -5 energy or -armor in many cases (especially bows!)
3. to clarify for staves... either 2020 for specific skillsets OR 10/10 for universal recharge/casttime is max too and well worth using if you use multiple types of spells (i.e. water and air together) but 2020s are definately better imo... use wand/focus for best results if you mix it up.
4. If you find a shield with a +1/20% for a caster class skillset, then that is awesome too. They do exist, but are very very rare (more rare than what youd be able to sell it for imo)
5. yep
6. yep.

mcsumo

Wilds Pathfinder

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11 Oct 2006 at 22:57 - 26

Thanks for all the input guys, I am starting to get my head around this pricing malarkey now.

I will be visiting FOW for the 1st time this weekend, so I especially liked the ecto pic (even if it was off topic

). The dialogue in that is comedy gold....it couldn't have been scripted better.

Anyway thanks again and hopefully after this weekend I will have something really worth using my new found pricing know how on. Cheers!!

Warpy

Krytan Explorer

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Mo/Me

12 Oct 2006 at 08:20 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franco

FOW does not drop ectos.
UW and FoW chests do not drop blue non max dmg weird items with 2 dmg mods.
Yes that sword is crap.

How can I or anyone believe anything you say to be accurate when you make comments like the above, especially for those that want to learn about the game? It's quite clear ectos do drop in FOW. The screenshot provided as well as other peoples comments validates what I said to be true.

It's all very amusing when people assume they know what they are talking about when they don't, problem is, people that come here to read and learn are mislead so easily.

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

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13 Oct 2006 at 04:04 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpy

Maybe your comments are fake?

Maybe I'm just thin-skinned, but were you to tell me that, I'd construe it as an insult to my intelligence.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpy

How can I or anyone believe anything you say to be accurate when you make comments like the above, especially for those that want to learn about the game? It's quite clear ectos do drop in FOW. The screenshot provided as well as other peoples comments validates what I said to be true.

It's all very amusing when people assume they know what they are talking about when they don't, problem is, people that come here to read and learn are mislead so easily.

Is it a coincidence that this also applies to your previous posts in this thread?

Warpy

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Mo/Me

13 Oct 2006 at 10:26 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehlemming

Maybe I'm just thin-skinned, but were you to tell me that, I'd construe it as an insult to my intelligence.

Is it a coincidence that this also applies to your previous posts in this thread?

Post wasn't refering to you but Franco, or are you really Franco?

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

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W/Mo

13 Oct 2006 at 13:28 - 30

He was trying to point out that if you had said that to him, he would be insulted. I agree.