Yesterday I was farming Rotscale with a group of people, and an argument surfaced.
I was using fire storm on Rotscale because I think that with Winter up, Fire Storm would interrupt Rotscale every second for 10 second (if he's casting, of course), where as Meteor Shower would only interrupt Rotscale every 3 secons for 9 seconds. Damage-wise, at rank 15, in my case, fire storm does 14dmg/second for 10 second, for a total of 140dmg, where as Meteor Shower does 56dmg/3 sec for 9 sec, for a totaly of 168dmg. The difference in dmg is easily covered with a flare. Not to mention Meteor Shower takes 60 sec to recharge and 25 energy to cast, whereas Fire Storm takes 30 sec to recharge and 15 energy to cast.
I only use meteor shower to take out bowman and rotting dragons. And maybe on Rotscale when I have plenty of energy.
Please let me know if my reasoning is correct. Thanks!
Fire Storm or Meteor Shower against Rotscale?
Arcueid13
T-D-C
How would firestorm with Winter interrupt Rotscale? Unless you are using Spinal Shivers as well??? Just wanted to clear that up.
The thing is he wouldn't stay in the firestorm area for long as it triggers an AOE flee. Metor Shower doesn't trigger the flee script.
The thing is he wouldn't stay in the firestorm area for long as it triggers an AOE flee. Metor Shower doesn't trigger the flee script.
Tachyon
Correct me if I'm wrong but how can you interupt with Firestorm even if Winter is active? I thought that all Winter did was to convert any elemental damage to cold damage regardless of what element it originally was.
Firestorm doesn't interupt as standard and I'm pretty sure that Winter doesn't add interupt to skills.
Firestorm doesn't interupt as standard and I'm pretty sure that Winter doesn't add interupt to skills.
Franco
He probably had a Necro using Spinal shivers, thought that would be obvious in rotscale farming. -_- Then winter turns fire storm into COLD STORM 
, and interrupts.
, and interrupts.
ShadowStorm
Since Firestorm/Winter can't interrupt anything without Spinal Shivers, Meteor Shower is better. Meteor Shower doesn't trigger AoE Flee script on the AI, because the enemies have to get hit 1 time every 1.5 seconds or sooner to trigger script, whereas Firestorm, which triggers every second, will.
Arcueid13
My bad!! Let me correct that, lol. Yes we did have Necro with shivers... I just assumed that every Rot farming group would have a necro with shiver.... :/
Rotscale doesn't run from Fire Storm. He pretty much stays in one place when he's all alone and the whole team ganging on him.
Rotscale doesn't run from Fire Storm. He pretty much stays in one place when he's all alone and the whole team ganging on him.
lightblade
The answer is...BOTH!!!
Once you cast Fire Storm or Meteor Shower, rotscale will back off into the corner. This time, have you warrior pin it in the corner, and just keep nuking it with more Fire Storm and Meteor Shower
Once you cast Fire Storm or Meteor Shower, rotscale will back off into the corner. This time, have you warrior pin it in the corner, and just keep nuking it with more Fire Storm and Meteor Shower
CHUIU
Neither!
One monk goes tank, one goes smite, and you own him this way.
One monk goes tank, one goes smite, and you own him this way.
Hockster
Anyone that uses firestorm needs to go back to school.
Carth`
Please don't use Fire Storm anywhere except pre-searing Ascalon. 
-Old 3FL-
I <3 firestorm in pre sear
i can enjoy it for wat it used to be :P
i can enjoy it for wat it used to be :P
madamesabina
my biggest issue with firestorm is that it easily scatters groups and not into ideal places. also the knockdown and spike from meteorshower prevents them from getting anywhere detrimental to your team any time soon.
icedragon981
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Originally Posted by Carth`
Please don't use Fire Storm anywhere except pre-searing Ascalon.
QFT, gotta love it when some random W/E runs into battle spamming FS and flare. *sigh*
Emu
Firestorm is not completely useless in PVE. If, for some reason, you're having a great deal of trouble keeping aggro on your tanks and your casters are getting swarmed, firestorm can easily buy your casters 8 seconds of not being pounded on bliss.
Gorebrex
Was pretty sure, but looked it up, and Meteor Shower causes exhaustion, which always makes me VERY reluctant to use a skill like that. Im PvE only, but dont feel any need to have the ability to lay down the absolute maximum amount of damage thats possible in-game. I use other skills, do ok, dont care for Firestorm much because of the recharge, but if I had to choose, Id take it over Meteor Shower. Of course, I think most other people would go the opposite way...
Arkantos
If you use firestorm, please uninstall GW and throw your computer out of a 1000 story high building.
LouAl
well that is just rude...
The guy already claimed that FS doesn't make Rot run anywhere (at least not anywhere bad) so quit banging on him over it.
I gotta say, nice job thinking about using FS + winter. I always assumed Shivers was for when they get hit with a cold weapon, which is not the case.
Anyway, my recommendation, assuming Rot doesn't run enough that all of FS hits him, is to use FS. You could use it twice as often and use about half the energy. The only issue I would see is that your necro might be pissed that s/he is out of energy in no time (and will probably stay that way because you can keep FS up more often). Good luck
The guy already claimed that FS doesn't make Rot run anywhere (at least not anywhere bad) so quit banging on him over it.
I gotta say, nice job thinking about using FS + winter. I always assumed Shivers was for when they get hit with a cold weapon, which is not the case.
Anyway, my recommendation, assuming Rot doesn't run enough that all of FS hits him, is to use FS. You could use it twice as often and use about half the energy. The only issue I would see is that your necro might be pissed that s/he is out of energy in no time (and will probably stay that way because you can keep FS up more often). Good luck
ShaneOfMach
haha everyone's logic here is so flawed
Firestorm would work great for rotscale farming, seeing as interruption is a must in surviving, Firestorm hits every 1 second, costs less energy, does not cost exhaustion, and does the same amount of damage.
Assuming your warrior is smart enough to pin it in the corner, Rotscale would WANT to run, but won't be able to move, allowing a few seconds of it just sitting their doing nothing.
Tell me a REASON not to bring firestorm, and then I might believe you. Otherwise, just don't talk with such a narrow mind assuming firestorm is bad for everything.
Firestorm would work great for rotscale farming, seeing as interruption is a must in surviving, Firestorm hits every 1 second, costs less energy, does not cost exhaustion, and does the same amount of damage.
Assuming your warrior is smart enough to pin it in the corner, Rotscale would WANT to run, but won't be able to move, allowing a few seconds of it just sitting their doing nothing.
Tell me a REASON not to bring firestorm, and then I might believe you. Otherwise, just don't talk with such a narrow mind assuming firestorm is bad for everything.
Stockholm
"Only use Firestorm in Pre-Searing."
What a narrow minded cookie-cuter player you must be.
Have you ever thought outside the box yourself?
FS + Winter + SP smart idea keep them comming.
Arkantos why don't you jump from the same floor? or thats not posted in a build for cookie-cutters so you can't do it?
What a narrow minded cookie-cuter player you must be.
Have you ever thought outside the box yourself?
FS + Winter + SP smart idea keep them comming.
Arkantos why don't you jump from the same floor? or thats not posted in a build for cookie-cutters so you can't do it?
squan
hmmmm i dont like firestorm that much, only good thing about it is that you dont get exhaustion. but for the rest it scks.
Carth`
Rotscale does run from Fire Storm. It makes him want to flee, and it makes him change his target. Just use an icy weapon.
I think outside the box all the time. I'm frequently the only person seen using my build, and I have a hard time getting in groups because I don't follow the cookie-cutter. But that doesn't mean I insult random people who don't like my build for valid reasons, which is what you do Stockholm.
I think outside the box all the time. I'm frequently the only person seen using my build, and I have a hard time getting in groups because I don't follow the cookie-cutter. But that doesn't mean I insult random people who don't like my build for valid reasons, which is what you do Stockholm.
TheLordOfBlah
if he doesnt run, why not use it?
EDIT: OK i dont farm rot but people are saying he runs and some say he doesnt... which is it?
EDIT: OK i dont farm rot but people are saying he runs and some say he doesnt... which is it?
LouAl
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Originally Posted by Arcueid13
My bad!! Let me correct that, lol. Yes we did have Necro with shivers... I just assumed that every Rot farming group would have a necro with shiver.... :/
Rotscale doesn't run from Fire Storm. He pretty much stays in one place when he's all alone and the whole team ganging on him. This is post 6. All the anti-firestorm posts were made after this one. It explains how Rotscale doesn't have room to run when he is getting gangbanged by most of the team...hence the no running thing. I say WinterStorm that mother into the ground.
Rotscale doesn't run from Fire Storm. He pretty much stays in one place when he's all alone and the whole team ganging on him. This is post 6. All the anti-firestorm posts were made after this one. It explains how Rotscale doesn't have room to run when he is getting gangbanged by most of the team...hence the no running thing. I say WinterStorm that mother into the ground.
moko
LouAl & Stockholm are completely right, the op DID say that Rotscale is BODYBLOCKED, so he couldnt flee from FireStorm even if he tried to.
the FS/Winter/SP combos is something interesting to see.
anyways, to the question, id go with FireStorm in this case, considering the aggro is correctly done.
firestorm does have its uses, most of you are just too busy with cookie-cuter i guess. if the backline of casters is under attack, a firestorm is nice to split the mobs up, in pve that is.
to the rest of the people that havnt made a constructive post so far; read the full thread, use your brain, make a decent post, or just dont post at all.
the FS/Winter/SP combos is something interesting to see.
anyways, to the question, id go with FireStorm in this case, considering the aggro is correctly done.
firestorm does have its uses, most of you are just too busy with cookie-cuter i guess. if the backline of casters is under attack, a firestorm is nice to split the mobs up, in pve that is.
to the rest of the people that havnt made a constructive post so far; read the full thread, use your brain, make a decent post, or just dont post at all.
Stockholm
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Originally Posted by Carth`
Rotscale does run from Fire Storm. It makes him want to flee, and it makes him change his target. Just use an icy weapon.
I think outside the box all the time. I'm frequently the only person seen using my build, and I have a hard time getting in groups because I don't follow the cookie-cutter. But that doesn't mean I insult random people who don't like my build for valid reasons, which is what you do Stockholm. Please don't use Fire Storm anywhere except pre-searing Ascalon.
Is that not an insult to the OP when he put's a valid argument for using a skill? that sentence only in your post, no argument to validate your point. Seams like trolling to me.
I think outside the box all the time. I'm frequently the only person seen using my build, and I have a hard time getting in groups because I don't follow the cookie-cutter. But that doesn't mean I insult random people who don't like my build for valid reasons, which is what you do Stockholm. Please don't use Fire Storm anywhere except pre-searing Ascalon.
Is that not an insult to the OP when he put's a valid argument for using a skill? that sentence only in your post, no argument to validate your point. Seams like trolling to me.
ShaneOfMach
Okay.
When Rotscale is PINNED IN THE CORNER BY THE WARRIOR, HE CAN'T FREAKING MOVE SO USE FIRESTORM.
is it really that hard to understand?
When Rotscale is PINNED IN THE CORNER BY THE WARRIOR, HE CAN'T FREAKING MOVE SO USE FIRESTORM.
is it really that hard to understand?
Arkantos
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If you're running purely for interrupts, as some people dont seem to be able to read :P then wouldnt running up to him and using Lava Font be a good idea? I dont know Rotscale's Skillset or the area around him, it just seemed to be better than both
Carth`
If you've got him trapped then by all means use Fire Storm. It has the added advantage of stopping him from attacking or using skills. This is also means Spinal Shivers isn't of use.
I used this strategy when there was a tough Mursaat boss that the henchmen couldn't kill (I was monk so I had no attacks). Bodyblocked him, then when Cynn used Fire Storm he sits there not healing for 10 seconds.
The problem is rarely do you get a team that can coordinate like that, which is why Fire Storm is usually a bad idea.
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Originally Posted by Stockholm
This is also means Spinal Shivers isn't of use.I used this strategy when there was a tough Mursaat boss that the henchmen couldn't kill (I was monk so I had no attacks). Bodyblocked him, then when Cynn used Fire Storm he sits there not healing for 10 seconds.
The problem is rarely do you get a team that can coordinate like that, which is why Fire Storm is usually a bad idea.
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Is that not an insult to the OP when he put's a valid argument for using a skill? that sentence only in your post, no argument to validate your point. Seams like trolling to me.
I don't say "use it in pre-searing" as an insult. If you didn't know, in pre-searing nothing flees from AoE, so Fire Storm owns all there.
dudely_dude
my nuker does this a totaly differnt way than all these
he uses mark of rodgart, firestorm, meteor shower, meteor, than follows up with pets skills from my secondary.
i own Rot this way with no interupt but the meteors
he uses mark of rodgart, firestorm, meteor shower, meteor, than follows up with pets skills from my secondary.
i own Rot this way with no interupt but the meteors
Spirit Of Azrael
Telling someone a skill sucks doesnt mean "LAWL u shud paly mi cuukie chutter bild!"
It is saying that the skill SUCKS. Firestorm sucks, and should be deleted from GW imo.
Ele nukers = fail anyways versus an Echo SS...
It is saying that the skill SUCKS. Firestorm sucks, and should be deleted from GW imo.
Ele nukers = fail anyways versus an Echo SS...
Sasuke The Betrayer
^Above..
Totally right. But you muts understand the situation. We're talking about Rotscale. He will hardly attack because he'll be casting mots of the time. And also, he won't even nail a full cast due to the fact that he's getting interrupted. SS would be better in taking out the dragons, but not Rotscale himself. Don't sidetrack this to Ele vs SS please.
Totally right. But you muts understand the situation. We're talking about Rotscale. He will hardly attack because he'll be casting mots of the time. And also, he won't even nail a full cast due to the fact that he's getting interrupted. SS would be better in taking out the dragons, but not Rotscale himself. Don't sidetrack this to Ele vs SS please.
Gizzen Garr
is this the " Fire Storm or Meteor Shower against Rotscale?" thread or the i dispise FS thread?
FS has a good purpose AoE. it buys time for ur casters to heal up if u have a idiotic tank that can't keep arrgo.
FS has a good purpose AoE. it buys time for ur casters to heal up if u have a idiotic tank that can't keep arrgo.
Stupid Shizno
Is it just me or does dosnt anyone bring glyph of energy when going as a nuker?
I always cast glyph of energy before MS...no exhuastion, 5e spell....just seems odd since everyone complained about it giving exhaustion.
I always cast glyph of energy before MS...no exhuastion, 5e spell....just seems odd since everyone complained about it giving exhaustion.
Luciora
I've used glyph at times but I don't rely on MS for primary damage so I normally run dual attunements. Spam my usual skills and then echo MS him.
Not been there in a while but when I went with a few groups I would normally just nuke his support crew with a monk keeping me alive. Then it is easy for the team to run up and pin him in a corner for the fight. It all depends on the team you are in and the general skills everyone has.
Fire Storm is not all that bad, it does have times where it is very useful. Do a search and you will find a number of threads where this has been discussed already.
Not been there in a while but when I went with a few groups I would normally just nuke his support crew with a monk keeping me alive. Then it is easy for the team to run up and pin him in a corner for the fight. It all depends on the team you are in and the general skills everyone has.
Fire Storm is not all that bad, it does have times where it is very useful. Do a search and you will find a number of threads where this has been discussed already.
Perkunas
"Ok Nukers! Fire away" When they say that, I cast arcane echo 1st, then MS, FS, MS and spam flare. They can't run while they are on their butts. So, Fire Storm the hell out of 'em.
Admael
Theres are reason why cookie cutter builds are coined that way. It's because they work. Why bash something that works? Would you rather have a build thats unique and doesn't work?