How to echo Dervish Elite Form?

Ok so I was trying to figure out how you could echo one of the avatar forms. I figure archane echo wont work because its not a spell its a form. So the next choice would be to use echo, but you cant because its also an elite and you cant carry 2 elites.

So next choice would be to use Arcane Mimicry on an ally with an elite form, but mimicry doesnt work on forms.

Anyway I figure if you have an elite form, and arcane mimicry, you can give a hero the elite echo. Mimic the echo, use the echo, then use the form. I wonder if theres anyway that would work? Just something to ponder during these final days before the release of Nightfall.

At the moment I'm tempted to say that it cannot be done. That is the only combo possible that I see and the only one I haven't tried.

To make it clear for all:
Arcane Mimicry on someone with echo.
Echo.
Elite Form
Elite Form before echoed version runs out.

My guess though, would be no. Mind you it IS just a guess. Anet has gone out of their way to ensure that the elite forms CANNOT be exploited, so I'm guessing that echo will not be usable on elite forms.

they went to some length to prevent it with everything from changing the wording/function of arcane (borrow allys elite), and having the skill actually have a separate cooldown feature to prevent (my guess) 10/10 universal hsr

Thats what I'm thinking, if they went through so much to prevent it... theres little chance that this loop hole will work. But technically it should, unless they try to say echo cant work on elite form skills also. (which is probably gonna happen)

Anyway why would you echo a form when its affect only you and can stay over 68 Sec or more.. And you can't have two form the same time, Just because its two elite and would be stupid.

Hey look, I'm Balthazar And Lyssa's Avatar!

Yes Cloud, by the wording of the skills as they stand at the moment, yes it should work. I would not be surprised however if there were a little unwritten line saying "elite forms cannot be echoed", OR that the "disabling of the skill" carries across to the echoed version.

Elemental, the point is to be able to keep up the form 100% of the time, or as close as you can get to that. Imagine Bathazar's up for 100% of the time... I wouldn't say you'd be invincible, but you would be pretty close to it.

well, remember that echo says: For 20 seconds, Echo is replaced with the next skill you use. Echo acts as this skill for 20 seconds
so, if the forms last 68 seconds + 18 seconds = 86 seconds of duration - 120 seconds the elite is disabled= 34 cooldown until the original elite cools down.

by the time the form ends arcane mimicry should have recharged.
IF its allowed (in case ANet reads this and decides to disable it ) you will gain 18 (top) extra seconds of the form (also if its not interrupted while you recast it)

if the ally skill bar has no use for echo, it will be a waste for him. surely though, he will have a skill bar decided to work on echo as its center.

the dervish will end with two skills that have a very long cooldown (arcane mimicry 60 seconds, the elite form 120 seconds)

personally, i think its a waste of skill combo, but each to his own, if you have fun doing it, go you

Its really just more of a conjecture. But those extra 18 seconds could be devastating during any battle. Say your fighting a couple bosses, those extra 18 seconds could be enough to finish one off, then after that all your skills recharge and you can focus on the next boss.

I just believe alot of builds start off as seemingly useless skill combinations, so I'm just throwing this idea out there for people to think over.

Arcane Mimicry -> Assassin's Promise

Normal Dervish armor is 60. Balthazar is +40 universal armor. Thats only 100 armor.

Warriors have an armor set with that much armor already. This would be more useful for an avatar such as melandru which gives you +200 health and also shields you from conditions.

Thats 110 armor, 6 less than a Warrior using Sentinels (rare) and a Shield.

If I'm wrong, correct me but isn't it 60 armor with +10 against certain elements? Conditional +armor doesn't count because in the right conditions anything could do well.

The max base armor level is 70 on a Dervish and 80 on a Paragon.

Timing that is extremely tricky: you only have 5 seconds to kill your target. Maybe you can use it in some spike builds, but a good infuser will totally ruin your day. Besides, do we know if Promise recharges "disabled" skills?

Ah, okay. Thanks.

I wonder if Serpent's Quickness would work on the listed recharge time or the 120 seconds one?

It's an elite just like the avatars.

...and Arcane Mimicry copies an elite skill?

...an Elite non-Form skill.

(I just owned Alleji. That felt good. )

Promise recharges everything except res signet (including itself). And you have 5 seconds, thats better than trying to use Oath Shot.

Almost certainly the listed recharge time. So yeah, probably not a solution.

ANet aren't exactly the world's most consistent templaters, but have a look at the full entry for Auspicious Incantation, which brings up the difference between skill disabling and extending recharge times.