have you all read the GW insider about the salvage ability yet

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well if u have here it is straight from the insider

We’ll also be updating some existing titles this way. For instance, after Nightfall releases, you’ll actually have a chance of successfully removing a magic component, like a Fiery Sword Hilt, without destroying the item it’s attached to. The Wisdom title (earned by identifying items) will improve your ability to do this.

looks like no more 100% quarentee of salvage

what do u guys think of this and yet no mention of inherent mods yet either.

and a little rant also see below this

for all those said in another post not to worry anet knows what they are doing. heres my first I TOLD YOU SO. no commenting on that rant as thats not the topic, hope you all enjoyed reading the GW insider like i did.I love alot of whats coming with NF.

srry for the extra little rant but it was needed at he end another win win for those new players

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Everything that was said has been said in the thread that was shut down. Worthless title should never affect game if I do get 100%.


Anyways the new salvage options are good.

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Well, sounds good to me. I dont see what the fuss is about.

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu
Everything that was said has been said in the thread that was shut down. Worthless title should never affect game if I do get 100%.
and yet that was the exact point i tried to make in that thread.if it wasnt done right it would be bad. well by the GW insider guess what its not being done right.



Tijger Well, sounds good to me. I dont see what the fuss is about.

it stats that ur salvage will be better chance and not 100% guarenteed depending on ur title. thats the fuss

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its never 100% so it was probaly 90 before and it will stay 90 and if u up ur title it will increase the % by 1 or 2 per level probaly

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its never 100% so it was probaly 90 before and it will stay 90 and if u up ur title it will increase the % by 1 or 2 per level probaly
well according to the PCGamer article it was gonna be 100%

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
and yet that was the exact point i tried to make in that thread.if it wasnt done right it would be bad. well by the GW insider guess what its not being done right.



Tijger Well, sounds good to me. I dont see what the fuss is about.

it stats that ur salvage will be better chance and not 100% guarenteed depending on ur title. thats the fuss
Of course this is speculating they might increase the drop rate of golds.

Seriously if I was a casual gamer title linking bonus would really bug me to the point of not wanting to play the game. Casual players aren’t really going to befit from the title system bonus.

Other thing that was said too if they are going to implement this that titles that affect game play should all become account based.

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Why don't I get the Guild Wars Insider? I didn't know one had come out already. I remember seeing something about it being available to anyone that owned an account, and I definitely own an account :/ But now I can't even find the news announcement that talks about the Insider.

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Why don't I get the Guild Wars Insider? I didn't know one had come out already. I remember seeing something about it being available to anyone that owned an account, and I definitely own an account :/ But now I can't even find the news announcement that talks about the Insider.
http://www.guildwars.com/insider/issue01.html


you should have gotten an email from anet about it, not sure y u didnt.

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Did I miss something? The title effects your ability to remove a mod Without Destroying the Weapon.

Not the rate at which you salvage the mod. High Wisdom = Salvage mod and keep weapon, Low Wisdom = Salvage mod and destroy weapon.

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Originally Posted by Cloudpiercer
Did I miss something? The title effects your ability to remove a mod Without Destroying the Weapon.

Not the rate at which you salvage the mod. High Wisdom = Salvage mod and keep weapon, Low Wisdom = Salvage mod and destroy weapon.
From what I understand, that hit the nail on the head. At least that's the way I took it.

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Originally Posted by Cloudpiercer
Did I miss something? The title effects your ability to remove a mod Without Destroying the Weapon.

Not the rate at which you salvage the mod. High Wisdom = Salvage mod and keep weapon, Low Wisdom = Salvage mod and destroy weapon.
That's absolutely right. If you read what they wrote, higher widom just gives you an increased chance the weapon WON'T be destroyed on salvaging. Everyone that went to the event ANET hosted that got to try Nightfall said that salvaging was 100% and you picked the part.

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however it still has on new players. so it does nothing for them. it only helps those that have bought unid, chest runners, the supposedly hated traders that alot of ppl claim they hate. how is this exactly good. these changes are supposedly most for those CASUAL players. however it dont help them except that if they want they now are forced to grind for that title. im by far from a CASUAL player. it wont affect me. look at what Zehnchu said in his post. that would be the effect of this.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
Tijger Well, sounds good to me. I dont see what the fuss is about.

it stats that ur salvage will be better chance and not 100% guarenteed depending on ur title. thats the fuss
Well, lets review the current situation. I have 2 ranks in that category currently and the other day I salvaged a gold axe with 2 mods and got 2 steel and no mod. My title obviously didnt help me one iota.

If this system is implemented I would at least have a much higher chance of getting the mod and even keep the weapon...Yeah, I'm all against that.
So again, whats the fuss about? Its a definite improvement over the current situation.

Players without a title dont lose anything, players with a title get some benefit from it.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
however it still has on new players. so it does nothing for them. it only helps those that have bought unid, chest runners, the supposedly hated traders that alot of ppl claim they hate. how is this exactly good. these changes are supposedly most for those CASUAL players. however it dont help them except that if they want they now are forced to grind for that title. im by far from a CASUAL player. it wont affect me. look at what Zehnchu said in his post. that would be the effect of this.
What? Let me get this straight, your complaining because somone who has been playing GW since prophecies and likes to work on titles, is gonna have a slight advantage over someone who just started playing? That just doesnt make sense to me.

And whats really funny is how people complain about something that will never directly effect them if they dont want it to. Ok someone with Wisdom might get to keep a weapon.... how is that making the game less fun for you? All it is, is a much needed bonus for titles that are otherwise just for bragging rights.

Everytime Anet makes a significant improvement in the game someone comes along and complains about some minute detail it changes

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Originally Posted by Cloudpiercer
What? Let me get this straight, your complaining because somone who has been playing GW since prophecies and likes to work on titles, is gonna have a slight advantage over someone who just started playing? That just doesnt make sense to me.

And whats really funny is how people complain about something that will never directly effect them if they dont want it to. Ok someone with Wisdom might get to keep a weapon.... how is that making the game less fun for you? All it is, is a much needed bonus for titles that are otherwise just for bragging rights.

Everytime Anet makes a significant improvement in the game someone comes along and complains about some minute detail it changes
Well, I personally think manitoba just did a great job outing himself. In his first post, he goes on a "rant" and cheers this as a win for the new players (the new advantage to wisdom title). Then when he finds out he misread and that it just gives you a higher chance you KEEP the weapon and that 100% salvage and mod choice is INDEPENDENT of title, it suddenly becomes a "title advantage is unfair to the new player" rant.

Basically, if the game gives the type of advantage HE wants (> chance keep weapon, no 100% or mod choice), then it's great for new players. If EVERYONE gets a different benefit (100% salvage with mod choice) and yet the bonus stays the same (> chance keep weapon), it becomes unfair to new players.

Transparent at best. This whole "trader use the new player" excuse card is pretty pathetic. The "it gives longer players an unfair advantage over new players" is also the exact opposite they've agrued in the past because the whole thing was a "I put in the time, I deserve a reward, my xxx rare weapon that you can never have without 10,000 hours also and then only if you get lucky to see the drop".

Anyway, this doesn't seem like much of an advantage to me. If I'm salvaging something off a weapon, it's because I want that part, not the weapon. Otherwise I'd just replace the part. It's pretty rare I get an item I want and a perfect mod I'd want on ANOTHER weapon, not that one. To me they took the best road....you get your grind title reward for something that the majority could care less about having happen anyway, while EVERYONE gets the new salvage system that will benefit EVERYONE.

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quote by Zehnchu
Seriously if I was a casual gamer title linking bonus would really bug me to the point of not wanting to play the game. Casual players aren’t really going to befit from the title system bonus


and yet this dont bother the rest of u. this is where the fuss is about plain and simple. no it wont affect me at all. BUT AGAIN IT WILL AFFECT THE NEW PLAYER BASE for a while. thats what is keeping the game going the new player base. and yet we get more ME post again. YES its great for us that have been playing awhile, and yet it also gives us an advantage over the new players. remember its not supposed to be time over skill. i was reminded of that so much in my last thread and yet the ME factor remains for alot. go figure. according to u guys so far now ur for the old player base and not the good for new players. nice side changes.


i was being sarcastic in my first post how its a win win for new players. sorry i missed the sarcasim emote when i posted that. i want it fair for all players not just one side. its not an advantage i want at all never said i did. i said i liked alot about NF and i warned about if things werent done right it was gonna screw over one side. well thats what is happening. all i want is its fair for all. nothing more and nothing less. if u still dont get that truelly feel bad for you.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
i was being sarcastic in my first post how its a win win for new players. sorry i missed the sarcasim emote when i posted that. i want it fair for all players not just one side. its not an advantage i want at all never said i did. i said i liked alot about NF and i warned about if things werent done right it was gonna screw over one side. well thats what is happening. all i want is its fair for all. nothing more and nothing less. if u still dont get that truelly feel bad for you.
Ya, I got that right after I posted. However, my points in the above post still stand. The current system sure doesn't favor a new player either or reduce grind.

I'm mixed on the whole titles/benefit thing. Lightbringer I see as problematic unless it's just obtained almost automatically by everyone playing through the game. Otherwise we start seeing "LF mm and monk, must have LB TITLE DISPLAYED" issues. The Wisdom hardly seems like much of a benefit to me, for the reason stated above. The only time it offers a REAL advantage I see is if you had a crudy req / skin with 2 PERFECT MODS you actually wanted. Then you would get both and not just one due to the 100% salvage system.
Realistically, I think I've only seen that happen maybe 1-2 times for me on items. The remainder depends on the bonuses and implementation, but yes, I do see problems with this, just NOT so much on Wisdom.

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Does anyone think that the price of UND golds might rise ?

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The OP has everything: atrocious grammar and spelling, poor reading comprehension, yet another salvaging and titles rant, and unbridled sanctimony. This horse has -60 DP.

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The OP has everything: atrocious grammar and spelling, poor reading comprehension, yet another salvaging and titles rant, and unbridled sanctimony. This horse has -60 DP.

Well i'm not exactly caring for grammer, i am a little more worried about the new players.

And what did u bring to this thread? Oh yeah flaming. nice trade off though.

Now as far as my reading comprehension, sorry i dont carry a thesaurous around with me. im just not that anal retentive. And im not saying you are.

And as far as unbridled sanctimony goes. Well excuss me if my values get in your way of the ME factor for you , please dont let that stop you.

Oh the horse is still kicking also.


Franco, Does anyone think that the price of UND golds might rise ?
ofcourse they dont realize these things, those ME blinders make it quite difficult to see around any corners.

And the only reason the inherents thread was closed was due to the ignoramous bickering on both sides. So please dont try to start that here.

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Now as far as my reading comprehension, sorry i dont carry a thesaurous around with me. im just not that anal retentive. And im not saying you are.
Decided to carry your dictionary instead???

Note to Mods... sorry, just couldn't pass on a softball like that.

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I'll cast my vote in favor of a few previous posts. The chance of getting a mod hasn't necessarily decreased from 100% but you now have a chance to obtain the mod and still have the weapon.

Imagine the possibilities...max. wisdom title -> salvage hilt and keep weapon -> salvage pommel and keep weapon -> salvage inscription and keep weapon -> salvage steel ingots...so you get a hilt, pommel, inscription, and some steel from a single weapon. Of course, the chance of this scenario should be slim to none even with a maxed wisdom title but it is better than only one of them. Finally no more having to lose a highly salvageable item with a mod for just the mod or common crafting mats.

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Decided to carry your dictionary instead???

Note to Mods... sorry, just couldn't pass on a softball like that.
naa i dont need one. internet really is for more than just porn.

Actually i was typing fast the last few post like i normally do. sure u know what i mean by hands move faster than trying to type.

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Anyway, this doesn't seem like much of an advantage to me. If I'm salvaging something off a weapon, it's because I want that part, not the weapon. Otherwise I'd just replace the part. It's pretty rare I get an item I want and a perfect mod I'd want on ANOTHER weapon, not that one. To me they took the best road....you get your grind title reward for something that the majority could care less about having happen anyway, while EVERYONE gets the new salvage system that will benefit EVERYONE.
That sounds about right from my perspective. The majority of weapons you'd be salvaging for the mod probably aren't worth keeping anyway and if it's to keep the weapon, but keep the mod, would you really want to chance destroying a perfect weapon to get the old mod even with extremely high chances of salvaging?

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Salvaging a mod will be a 100% success for everyone.
Everyone will have a chance to not destroy the item when they salvage something from it, people with the 'Wisdom' title will have a higher chance to not destroy the item.

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Does anyone think that the price of UND golds might rise ?
No, but there will more then likely be more of a demand. But that’s just speculation so don’t get your hopes up just yet.

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I think they should opt for another means/title salvage bonus to be honest. Something along the lines of the amount of all items salvage the higher that number is the better percentage, rather then it just being based on the wisdom track. Of course the numbers to gain rank would be high, everyone would benefit and there is still something for hardcore to work for maxing out the title and of couse better percentage.

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I think they should opt for another means/title salvage bonus to be honest. Something along the lines of the amount of all items salvage the higher that number is the better percentage, rather then it just being based on the wisdom track. Of course the numbers to gain rank would be high, everyone would benefit and there is still something for hardcore to work for maxing out the title and of couse better percentage.
that would be the right way to do it. ty Zehnchu

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Here we go again, with how the GW economy will either fall or rise trip again. I’ll restate my point from last time, if all else fails then A-net will fix. They don’t let things go to hell just because; there will always be a fix.

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Does anyone think that the price of UND golds might rise ?
Well, whites are cheap right? I don't remeber, is there a such thing as an UND white? If not, I'm gonna go shopping for the next cheapest thing, UND blues. That is, if they make titles that affect your gameplay account based. Otherwise its just a lot of time and money, grinded away for nothing... Unless you only play on one character of course.

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Here we go again, with how the GW economy will either fall or rise trip again. I’ll restate my point from last time, if all else fails then A-net will fix. They don’t let things go to hell just because; there will always be a fix.

noone but u said anything about the ecomony. has nothing to do with the economy. but if you like to discuss that we could ask the mods to leave a ecomony thread open and you're more than welcome to explain it in there just how anet would fix things.

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Try reading again OP. They say nothing about your chance to salvage the mod.

"We’ll also be updating some existing titles this way. For instance, after Nightfall releases, you’ll actually have a chance of successfully removing a magic component, like a Fiery Sword Hilt, without destroying the item it’s attached to. The Wisdom title (earned by identifying items) will improve your ability to do this."

Your wisdom title will only improve your chance of mainting the actual weapon when you salvage the mod.

Edit, and actually, given the example used, it seems we will be able to mod the prefix of Dragon Swords.. was this already a possibility?

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Originally Posted by Tijger
Well, lets review the current situation. I have 2 ranks in that category currently and the other day I salvaged a gold axe with 2 mods and got 2 steel and no mod. My title obviously didnt help me one iota.
Ummm... suprise? They aren't implementing the system until they release Nightfall.

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Try reading again OP. They say nothing about your chance to salvage the mod.

"We’ll also be updating some existing titles this way. For instance, after Nightfall releases, you’ll actually have a chance of successfully removing a magic component, like a Fiery Sword Hilt, without destroying the item it’s attached to. The Wisdom title (earned by identifying items) will improve your ability to do this."

Your wisdom title will only improve your chance of mainting the actual weapon when you salvage the mod.

Edit, and actually, given the example used, it seems we will be able to mod the prefix of Dragon Swords.. was this already a possibility?
i have read and reread it lots of times. however you and a few others havent read what i wrote.

NO WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MODS. i said the 100% gaurantee. remember the PCGAMER article mentioned 100% salvage of MODS AND WEAPON. i did HOWEVER STAT that there was no longer gonna be 100% SALVAGE. but ty for pointing that detail out yet again.

and on the FDS, no way they will allow dual prefix mod on a weapon. so no you will not see a sundering fiery dragon sword of fort.

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Does anyone think that the price of UND golds might rise ?
Of course,the richer part of the community without the title will want to snap up unid's and sellers will raise their price to match the demand. The rise won't be that high though..couple k tops. The slightly higher prices won't last long though as everyone will want in and the market would soon be flooded and the prices of unid would soon fall back down to 500-1k each.

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This is what I read when I go over this thread:

WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH SALVAGE ISNT WHAT I WANTED IT TO BE WAH WAH WAH WAH

Sheesh, stop crying. So the salvage options are different to what a magazine says, big deal. Doesn't surprise me that PC Gamer are wrong, the game isn't finished yet, so Anet have the right to change stuff. You guys need to get over it, just because you can't make money the normal way and are relying on 100% salvagable mods.

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This is what I read when I go over this thread:

WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH SALVAGE ISNT WHAT I WANTED IT TO BE WAH WAH WAH WAH

Sheesh, stop crying. So the salvage options are different to what a magazine says, big deal. Doesn't surprise me that PC Gamer are wrong, the game isn't finished yet, so Anet have the right to change stuff. You guys need to get over it, just because you can't make money the normal way and are relying on 100% salvagable mods.
all i can say on that is ORLY. cause by what you are saying id say you didnt read it very well. i dont need to rely on any mods. i know how to make money fast. its not about me. its for the new players coming in. but since u somehow believe i cant make money do a post search for my post name.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
noone but u said anything about the ecomony. has nothing to do with the economy. but if you like to discuss that we could ask the mods to leave a ecomony thread open and you're more than welcome to explain it in there just how anet would fix things.
I meant of course this might lead to it again or will, as the same situation as before with previous threads. You start to see a pattern that makes its way back to the original idea, that’s what they call in some terms a reenactment of past endeavors. I clearly rather stay out of this debate for it’s nothing but déjà vu, and yes I know I got myself involved by posting. However if it gets to that point again, I gave my legitimate answer from last time. So in doing so I save my time and yours; thank you and good bye.