have you all read the GW insider about the salvage ability yet
manitoba1073
well if u have here it is straight from the insider
We’ll also be updating some existing titles this way. For instance, after Nightfall releases, you’ll actually have a chance of successfully removing a magic component, like a Fiery Sword Hilt, without destroying the item it’s attached to. The Wisdom title (earned by identifying items) will improve your ability to do this.
looks like no more 100% quarentee of salvage
what do u guys think of this and yet no mention of inherent mods yet either.
and a little rant also see below this
for all those said in another post not to worry anet knows what they are doing. heres my first I TOLD YOU SO. no commenting on that rant as thats not the topic, hope you all enjoyed reading the GW insider like i did.I love alot of whats coming with NF.
srry for the extra little rant but it was needed at he end another win win for those new players
We’ll also be updating some existing titles this way. For instance, after Nightfall releases, you’ll actually have a chance of successfully removing a magic component, like a Fiery Sword Hilt, without destroying the item it’s attached to. The Wisdom title (earned by identifying items) will improve your ability to do this.
looks like no more 100% quarentee of salvage
what do u guys think of this and yet no mention of inherent mods yet either.
and a little rant also see below this
for all those said in another post not to worry anet knows what they are doing. heres my first I TOLD YOU SO. no commenting on that rant as thats not the topic, hope you all enjoyed reading the GW insider like i did.I love alot of whats coming with NF.
srry for the extra little rant but it was needed at he end another win win for those new players
Zehnchu
Everything that was said has been said in the thread that was shut down. Worthless title should never affect game if I do get 100%.
Anyways the new salvage options are good.
Anyways the new salvage options are good.
Tijger
Well, sounds good to me. I dont see what the fuss is about.
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by Zehnchu
Everything that was said has been said in the thread that was shut down. Worthless title should never affect game if I do get 100%.
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Tijger Well, sounds good to me. I dont see what the fuss is about.
it stats that ur salvage will be better chance and not 100% guarenteed depending on ur title. thats the fuss
unknown1
its never 100% so it was probaly 90 before and it will stay 90 and if u up ur title it will increase the % by 1 or 2 per level probaly
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by unknown1
its never 100% so it was probaly 90 before and it will stay 90 and if u up ur title it will increase the % by 1 or 2 per level probaly
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Zehnchu
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
and yet that was the exact point i tried to make in that thread.if it wasnt done right it would be bad. well by the GW insider guess what its not being done right.
Tijger Well, sounds good to me. I dont see what the fuss is about. it stats that ur salvage will be better chance and not 100% guarenteed depending on ur title. thats the fuss |
Seriously if I was a casual gamer title linking bonus would really bug me to the point of not wanting to play the game. Casual players aren’t really going to befit from the title system bonus.
Other thing that was said too if they are going to implement this that titles that affect game play should all become account based.
TheMosesPHD
Why don't I get the Guild Wars Insider? I didn't know one had come out already. I remember seeing something about it being available to anyone that owned an account, and I definitely own an account :/ But now I can't even find the news announcement that talks about the Insider.
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by TheMosesPHD
Why don't I get the Guild Wars Insider? I didn't know one had come out already. I remember seeing something about it being available to anyone that owned an account, and I definitely own an account :/ But now I can't even find the news announcement that talks about the Insider.
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you should have gotten an email from anet about it, not sure y u didnt.
Cloudpiercer
Did I miss something? The title effects your ability to remove a mod Without Destroying the Weapon.
Not the rate at which you salvage the mod. High Wisdom = Salvage mod and keep weapon, Low Wisdom = Salvage mod and destroy weapon.
Not the rate at which you salvage the mod. High Wisdom = Salvage mod and keep weapon, Low Wisdom = Salvage mod and destroy weapon.
Relambrien
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Originally Posted by Cloudpiercer
Did I miss something? The title effects your ability to remove a mod Without Destroying the Weapon.
Not the rate at which you salvage the mod. High Wisdom = Salvage mod and keep weapon, Low Wisdom = Salvage mod and destroy weapon. |
sumrtym
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Originally Posted by Cloudpiercer
Did I miss something? The title effects your ability to remove a mod Without Destroying the Weapon.
Not the rate at which you salvage the mod. High Wisdom = Salvage mod and keep weapon, Low Wisdom = Salvage mod and destroy weapon. |
manitoba1073
however it still has on new players. so it does nothing for them. it only helps those that have bought unid, chest runners, the supposedly hated traders that alot of ppl claim they hate. how is this exactly good. these changes are supposedly most for those CASUAL players. however it dont help them except that if they want they now are forced to grind for that title. im by far from a CASUAL player. it wont affect me. look at what Zehnchu said in his post. that would be the effect of this.
Tijger
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
Tijger Well, sounds good to me. I dont see what the fuss is about.
it stats that ur salvage will be better chance and not 100% guarenteed depending on ur title. thats the fuss |
If this system is implemented I would at least have a much higher chance of getting the mod and even keep the weapon...Yeah, I'm all against that.
So again, whats the fuss about? Its a definite improvement over the current situation.
Players without a title dont lose anything, players with a title get some benefit from it.
Cloudpiercer
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
however it still has on new players. so it does nothing for them. it only helps those that have bought unid, chest runners, the supposedly hated traders that alot of ppl claim they hate. how is this exactly good. these changes are supposedly most for those CASUAL players. however it dont help them except that if they want they now are forced to grind for that title. im by far from a CASUAL player. it wont affect me. look at what Zehnchu said in his post. that would be the effect of this.
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And whats really funny is how people complain about something that will never directly effect them if they dont want it to. Ok someone with Wisdom might get to keep a weapon.... how is that making the game less fun for you? All it is, is a much needed bonus for titles that are otherwise just for bragging rights.
Everytime Anet makes a significant improvement in the game someone comes along and complains about some minute detail it changes
sumrtym
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Originally Posted by Cloudpiercer
What? Let me get this straight, your complaining because somone who has been playing GW since prophecies and likes to work on titles, is gonna have a slight advantage over someone who just started playing? That just doesnt make sense to me.
And whats really funny is how people complain about something that will never directly effect them if they dont want it to. Ok someone with Wisdom might get to keep a weapon.... how is that making the game less fun for you? All it is, is a much needed bonus for titles that are otherwise just for bragging rights. Everytime Anet makes a significant improvement in the game someone comes along and complains about some minute detail it changes |
Basically, if the game gives the type of advantage HE wants (> chance keep weapon, no 100% or mod choice), then it's great for new players. If EVERYONE gets a different benefit (100% salvage with mod choice) and yet the bonus stays the same (> chance keep weapon), it becomes unfair to new players.
Transparent at best. This whole "trader use the new player" excuse card is pretty pathetic. The "it gives longer players an unfair advantage over new players" is also the exact opposite they've agrued in the past because the whole thing was a "I put in the time, I deserve a reward, my xxx rare weapon that you can never have without 10,000 hours also and then only if you get lucky to see the drop".
Anyway, this doesn't seem like much of an advantage to me. If I'm salvaging something off a weapon, it's because I want that part, not the weapon. Otherwise I'd just replace the part. It's pretty rare I get an item I want and a perfect mod I'd want on ANOTHER weapon, not that one. To me they took the best road....you get your grind title reward for something that the majority could care less about having happen anyway, while EVERYONE gets the new salvage system that will benefit EVERYONE.
manitoba1073
quote by Zehnchu
Seriously if I was a casual gamer title linking bonus would really bug me to the point of not wanting to play the game. Casual players aren’t really going to befit from the title system bonus
and yet this dont bother the rest of u. this is where the fuss is about plain and simple. no it wont affect me at all. BUT AGAIN IT WILL AFFECT THE NEW PLAYER BASE for a while. thats what is keeping the game going the new player base. and yet we get more ME post again. YES its great for us that have been playing awhile, and yet it also gives us an advantage over the new players. remember its not supposed to be time over skill. i was reminded of that so much in my last thread and yet the ME factor remains for alot. go figure. according to u guys so far now ur for the old player base and not the good for new players. nice side changes.
i was being sarcastic in my first post how its a win win for new players. sorry i missed the sarcasim emote when i posted that. i want it fair for all players not just one side. its not an advantage i want at all never said i did. i said i liked alot about NF and i warned about if things werent done right it was gonna screw over one side. well thats what is happening. all i want is its fair for all. nothing more and nothing less. if u still dont get that truelly feel bad for you.
Seriously if I was a casual gamer title linking bonus would really bug me to the point of not wanting to play the game. Casual players aren’t really going to befit from the title system bonus
and yet this dont bother the rest of u. this is where the fuss is about plain and simple. no it wont affect me at all. BUT AGAIN IT WILL AFFECT THE NEW PLAYER BASE for a while. thats what is keeping the game going the new player base. and yet we get more ME post again. YES its great for us that have been playing awhile, and yet it also gives us an advantage over the new players. remember its not supposed to be time over skill. i was reminded of that so much in my last thread and yet the ME factor remains for alot. go figure. according to u guys so far now ur for the old player base and not the good for new players. nice side changes.
i was being sarcastic in my first post how its a win win for new players. sorry i missed the sarcasim emote when i posted that. i want it fair for all players not just one side. its not an advantage i want at all never said i did. i said i liked alot about NF and i warned about if things werent done right it was gonna screw over one side. well thats what is happening. all i want is its fair for all. nothing more and nothing less. if u still dont get that truelly feel bad for you.
sumrtym
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
i was being sarcastic in my first post how its a win win for new players. sorry i missed the sarcasim emote when i posted that. i want it fair for all players not just one side. its not an advantage i want at all never said i did. i said i liked alot about NF and i warned about if things werent done right it was gonna screw over one side. well thats what is happening. all i want is its fair for all. nothing more and nothing less. if u still dont get that truelly feel bad for you.
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I'm mixed on the whole titles/benefit thing. Lightbringer I see as problematic unless it's just obtained almost automatically by everyone playing through the game. Otherwise we start seeing "LF mm and monk, must have LB TITLE DISPLAYED" issues. The Wisdom hardly seems like much of a benefit to me, for the reason stated above. The only time it offers a REAL advantage I see is if you had a crudy req / skin with 2 PERFECT MODS you actually wanted. Then you would get both and not just one due to the 100% salvage system.
Realistically, I think I've only seen that happen maybe 1-2 times for me on items. The remainder depends on the bonuses and implementation, but yes, I do see problems with this, just NOT so much on Wisdom.
Franco
Does anyone think that the price of UND golds might rise ?
gr3g
The OP has everything: atrocious grammar and spelling, poor reading comprehension, yet another salvaging and titles rant, and unbridled sanctimony. This horse has -60 DP.
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by gr3g
The OP has everything: atrocious grammar and spelling, poor reading comprehension, yet another salvaging and titles rant, and unbridled sanctimony. This horse has -60 DP.
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Well i'm not exactly caring for grammer, i am a little more worried about the new players.
And what did u bring to this thread? Oh yeah flaming. nice trade off though.
Now as far as my reading comprehension, sorry i dont carry a thesaurous around with me. im just not that anal retentive. And im not saying you are.
And as far as unbridled sanctimony goes. Well excuss me if my values get in your way of the ME factor for you , please dont let that stop you.
Oh the horse is still kicking also.
Franco, Does anyone think that the price of UND golds might rise ?
ofcourse they dont realize these things, those ME blinders make it quite difficult to see around any corners.
And the only reason the inherents thread was closed was due to the ignoramous bickering on both sides. So please dont try to start that here.
fog_of_redoubt
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Now as far as my reading comprehension, sorry i dont carry a thesaurous around with me. im just not that anal retentive. And im not saying you are. |
Note to Mods... sorry, just couldn't pass on a softball like that.
WLlama
I'll cast my vote in favor of a few previous posts. The chance of getting a mod hasn't necessarily decreased from 100% but you now have a chance to obtain the mod and still have the weapon.
Imagine the possibilities...max. wisdom title -> salvage hilt and keep weapon -> salvage pommel and keep weapon -> salvage inscription and keep weapon -> salvage steel ingots...so you get a hilt, pommel, inscription, and some steel from a single weapon. Of course, the chance of this scenario should be slim to none even with a maxed wisdom title but it is better than only one of them. Finally no more having to lose a highly salvageable item with a mod for just the mod or common crafting mats.
Imagine the possibilities...max. wisdom title -> salvage hilt and keep weapon -> salvage pommel and keep weapon -> salvage inscription and keep weapon -> salvage steel ingots...so you get a hilt, pommel, inscription, and some steel from a single weapon. Of course, the chance of this scenario should be slim to none even with a maxed wisdom title but it is better than only one of them. Finally no more having to lose a highly salvageable item with a mod for just the mod or common crafting mats.
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt
Decided to carry your dictionary instead???
Note to Mods... sorry, just couldn't pass on a softball like that. |
Actually i was typing fast the last few post like i normally do. sure u know what i mean by hands move faster than trying to type.
Mtank325
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Originally Posted by sumrtym
Anyway, this doesn't seem like much of an advantage to me. If I'm salvaging something off a weapon, it's because I want that part, not the weapon. Otherwise I'd just replace the part. It's pretty rare I get an item I want and a perfect mod I'd want on ANOTHER weapon, not that one. To me they took the best road....you get your grind title reward for something that the majority could care less about having happen anyway, while EVERYONE gets the new salvage system that will benefit EVERYONE.
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Phoebe
Salvaging a mod will be a 100% success for everyone.
Everyone will have a chance to not destroy the item when they salvage something from it, people with the 'Wisdom' title will have a higher chance to not destroy the item.
Everyone will have a chance to not destroy the item when they salvage something from it, people with the 'Wisdom' title will have a higher chance to not destroy the item.
Zehnchu
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Originally Posted by Franco
Does anyone think that the price of UND golds might rise ?
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I think they should opt for another means/title salvage bonus to be honest. Something along the lines of the amount of all items salvage the higher that number is the better percentage, rather then it just being based on the wisdom track. Of course the numbers to gain rank would be high, everyone would benefit and there is still something for hardcore to work for maxing out the title and of couse better percentage.
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by Zehnchu
I think they should opt for another means/title salvage bonus to be honest. Something along the lines of the amount of all items salvage the higher that number is the better percentage, rather then it just being based on the wisdom track. Of course the numbers to gain rank would be high, everyone would benefit and there is still something for hardcore to work for maxing out the title and of couse better percentage.
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Evilsod
Like i said before.
Sundering FDS of Fortitude. A wammos new best friend. Thats all this means.
Sundering FDS of Fortitude. A wammos new best friend. Thats all this means.
sindex
Here we go again, with how the GW economy will either fall or rise trip again. I’ll restate my point from last time, if all else fails then A-net will fix. They don’t let things go to hell just because; there will always be a fix.
gamecube187
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Originally Posted by Franco
Does anyone think that the price of UND golds might rise ?
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manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by sindex
Here we go again, with how the GW economy will either fall or rise trip again. I’ll restate my point from last time, if all else fails then A-net will fix. They don’t let things go to hell just because; there will always be a fix.
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noone but u said anything about the ecomony. has nothing to do with the economy. but if you like to discuss that we could ask the mods to leave a ecomony thread open and you're more than welcome to explain it in there just how anet would fix things.
Reiden Argrock
Try reading again OP. They say nothing about your chance to salvage the mod.
"We’ll also be updating some existing titles this way. For instance, after Nightfall releases, you’ll actually have a chance of successfully removing a magic component, like a Fiery Sword Hilt, without destroying the item it’s attached to. The Wisdom title (earned by identifying items) will improve your ability to do this."
Your wisdom title will only improve your chance of mainting the actual weapon when you salvage the mod.
Edit, and actually, given the example used, it seems we will be able to mod the prefix of Dragon Swords.. was this already a possibility?
"We’ll also be updating some existing titles this way. For instance, after Nightfall releases, you’ll actually have a chance of successfully removing a magic component, like a Fiery Sword Hilt, without destroying the item it’s attached to. The Wisdom title (earned by identifying items) will improve your ability to do this."
Your wisdom title will only improve your chance of mainting the actual weapon when you salvage the mod.
Edit, and actually, given the example used, it seems we will be able to mod the prefix of Dragon Swords.. was this already a possibility?
[DE]
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Originally Posted by Tijger
Well, lets review the current situation. I have 2 ranks in that category currently and the other day I salvaged a gold axe with 2 mods and got 2 steel and no mod. My title obviously didnt help me one iota.
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manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by Reiden Argrock
Try reading again OP. They say nothing about your chance to salvage the mod.
"We’ll also be updating some existing titles this way. For instance, after Nightfall releases, you’ll actually have a chance of successfully removing a magic component, like a Fiery Sword Hilt, without destroying the item it’s attached to. The Wisdom title (earned by identifying items) will improve your ability to do this." Your wisdom title will only improve your chance of mainting the actual weapon when you salvage the mod. Edit, and actually, given the example used, it seems we will be able to mod the prefix of Dragon Swords.. was this already a possibility? |
NO WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MODS. i said the 100% gaurantee. remember the PCGAMER article mentioned 100% salvage of MODS AND WEAPON. i did HOWEVER STAT that there was no longer gonna be 100% SALVAGE. but ty for pointing that detail out yet again.
and on the FDS, no way they will allow dual prefix mod on a weapon. so no you will not see a sundering fiery dragon sword of fort.
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Franco
Does anyone think that the price of UND golds might rise ?
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fenix
This is what I read when I go over this thread:
WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH SALVAGE ISNT WHAT I WANTED IT TO BE WAH WAH WAH WAH
Sheesh, stop crying. So the salvage options are different to what a magazine says, big deal. Doesn't surprise me that PC Gamer are wrong, the game isn't finished yet, so Anet have the right to change stuff. You guys need to get over it, just because you can't make money the normal way and are relying on 100% salvagable mods.
WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH SALVAGE ISNT WHAT I WANTED IT TO BE WAH WAH WAH WAH
Sheesh, stop crying. So the salvage options are different to what a magazine says, big deal. Doesn't surprise me that PC Gamer are wrong, the game isn't finished yet, so Anet have the right to change stuff. You guys need to get over it, just because you can't make money the normal way and are relying on 100% salvagable mods.
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by talon
This is what I read when I go over this thread:
WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH SALVAGE ISNT WHAT I WANTED IT TO BE WAH WAH WAH WAH Sheesh, stop crying. So the salvage options are different to what a magazine says, big deal. Doesn't surprise me that PC Gamer are wrong, the game isn't finished yet, so Anet have the right to change stuff. You guys need to get over it, just because you can't make money the normal way and are relying on 100% salvagable mods. |
Malice Black
Why bicker? NF arrives friday, all questions will be answered then.
sindex
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
noone but u said anything about the ecomony. has nothing to do with the economy. but if you like to discuss that we could ask the mods to leave a ecomony thread open and you're more than welcome to explain it in there just how anet would fix things.
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