Ads In OP of Threads...

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

Wow, the last page was so constructive and now we have gone over-the-top and threatening again. Once again I stress, we are testing some things out. We are reading every post and appreciate constructive feedback and crticism.

Refyused

Refyused

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

The ads are perfectly visible at the top, bottom and sides of the pages. How about keeping them in those places instead of raping our posts with them? All it does is annoy the piss out of most of us, making it even more unlikely that we'l actually spend time clicking them.

shaolin mind trick

shaolin mind trick

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

Aequitas Deis [AD]

Mo/Me

Definately annoying, though bills need to be paid somehow so it's understandable...
I like the idea of a more rectangular banner at the top or bottom of a post rather then the way it is. The bottom of the post would probably be the best in my opinion.

Xenrath

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Me

Ugh putting it in the actual thread is really not that great positioning.

Wouldn't it be possible to put an extra advert, say, at the bottom of the page? If you must put more adverts in to support the site that's understandable but could something like that be done? Put it underneath the thread as you view it? Then you have an ad the top and one at the bottom, and untouched thread in the middle...

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

The board that i work on have ad in between the posts not in them as we use PhPBB not Vb anyways is there anyway you can put them in between the posts as I find them a little annoying as well.

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

dont like them at all....they add time to loading a page that already takes me near to 2 minutes to get to!
however; I do understand operating costs.....but putting these annoying things INSIDE posts is a big no-no!

keep them outside of the actual posts please!
many other sites (see guildwiki, yahoo auctions, even ebay)...keep them on the sides or between posts, not IN them!!!!
so please move them to another part of the page, not IN someones personal space!

Beqxter

Beqxter

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Berkeley, CA

Can you limit it to static ads and not Flash or animated GIFs? It's the animated ones that are MOST annoying (though they're all pretty ugly).

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

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I don't mind them much if they'll result in improved site performance (will they?). I know this is a free service and I appreciate it greatly but occasionally the site suffers slow-downs and downtime as we all know. I presume these ads can only mean a better service, right?

Zui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/

I'm glad the green text was removed, I really hated that. I also find the add appearing in the first post on every page intrusive, and annoying. It would be really, really nice if that add could be removed too.

I really, really dislike peoples posts being turned into adds.



Instead of what you currently have, I think you could do somthing like the following to generate more revenue, without causing people to ragequit GWG:

Banner adds are fine, even animated ones. Infact, it wouldn't really bother me if you added a banner add at the bottom of all of your pages. Perhaps between the text body of the thread, and the quick reply box? I've seen several IPB boards that have done this same thing, shouldn't be that hard to do the same on a VB board. This would get people to look at it, without overly annoying anyone to the point where they stop visiting the fourms.

For the regular reply/new thread box, you could certainly place an add to the side of it. Don't think that would annoy too many people either. After all, there's already an animated banner add just above where I'm typing now, and it's not annoying me in the least. Although I'm unsure as to if doing that would actualy be possible. If it's not, simply add another banner add between the body of that box and the 'additional options' section below it. It should be visable to everyone, and it wouldn't annoy the hell out of them.

Let people donate, and make the donation link very visable, infact even set it as a global announcement. Perhaps you could even give people a special title, or name color if they donate, I think that would encourage alot more people to do so. You could even have different teirs of whatever title(perhaps even a custom title for a donation over a certain amount), or different name colors for people who donate more, thus encouraging people to donate more money.

Heck, even adding an adbot that posts an add in-between posts would be better than what you have now, IMHO. It wouldn't cause people to simply not read another users post, hurry though reading that post, or be distracted and annoyed as hell while doing so...

Sid Soggybottom

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

I dont like the ads in the OP either. It makes it hard to read and really distracting. It's like having a commercial blaring at me while I'm trying to watch a show.

There really isnt any constructive feedback that I can give other than to say that the ads should be removed from the OP. It's extremely tacky too.

Akhilleus

Akhilleus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

If it aint expensive, it aint worth buyin'.

Leading/Co-leading Bretheren Of Chaos [Dark]

W/Mo

heres an idea...
instead of voicing how much you hate ads in a flaming rage, post some constructive ideas on methods of aquiring revanue that arent obstructive.

i still think my suggestion would work...
lets say for the sake of argument the site costs $100 a month to keep up...lets say that (collectivly) $30 was donated towards that, and this information was posted in a readily accessible area, it would let people know how much more is needed to keep the site up and running (at no personal monetary cost to you) for that month.
if people can think to themselves "hmmm...theres $70 left to go before this next month is covered" they will be more likely to donate. its ALWAYS easier to work towards a goal of you know what that goal is. and to be honest, i think you'd do far better with voluntary donations than with advertisements.
but, thats just my opinion.

Sid Soggybottom

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Akhilleus
heres an idea...
instead of voicing how much you hate ads in a flaming rage, post some constructive ideas on methods of aquiring revanue that arent obstructive. I agree that people shouldnt go into a flaming rage about this but not everyone knows much about acquiring revenue for a website. I sure dont. However, I still feel that anyone who browses this site can give their opinion on this....as long as it's not in a vicious rage.

Mr D J

Mr D J

Permanently Unbanned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ok, want my opinion on this? It sucks. Web is turning into some sort of television... don't you think people hate seeing ad every 6 minutes? It's a location that can actually make a person click the ad if he/she tries to highlight something... you know what I mean. Put it on the bottom or on the side like on youtube but not in the post.

Shadow of Light

Shadow of Light

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Australia

Mo/

Ok. I don't mind the ads at the top of the pages. Putting them into people's posts as huge blocks is annoying, but even that I can live with. Sites have to make ends meet. As has been mentioned, I'd also prefer these new adsquares were static instead of animated. But then, I'd also prefer it if they were horizontal banners at the top/bottom of posts instead of big ugly squares imposing on the text but... I figure the very idea of these things is to make them as visible as possible. :/

I suppose I'm more concerned with the less obtrusive aspect I've come to notice with this site, and that's the Hitbox (among others?) tracking cookies that seem to pop up on my system every single time I visit.

The Dirrtiest

The Dirrtiest

DA Bears 15-3->Super Bowl

Join Date: Mar 2006

[SMS]

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I agreed with Ahk.

The End.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Doesn't bother me, site is running a bit faster then normal.



Another idea is to move the ad to the bottom of the page and insted of it being a big sqaure make it a small rectangle that fits along the bottom of the OP.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

So who wants to /sign for the idea of donations?

Me!

/signed

Rayzor

SBD

Join Date: Nov 2005

Couple of points of interests. Ads need to be towards the top, cannot be at the bottom. Most ads need to be "above the fold" for the most part. Squares tend to pay more than banners. It could be worse at least you can read the forums anytime you want and there could be ads in every post. Sites cost a lot of money to run when the get huge (GWG is the biggest GW site around).

My suggestion is box off the ad with style and put the word "advertisement" under it so it doesn't appear that the individual poster is endorsing the actual ad/product.

Akhilleus

Akhilleus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

If it aint expensive, it aint worth buyin'.

Leading/Co-leading Bretheren Of Chaos [Dark]

W/Mo

another extention of my former idea, to post what it costs/donations, is to enter people who donate into weekly or monthly drawings for different items in-game...
this would provide a special means of thanking those who go that extra mile to contribute to the site.

while i may not be able to afford to contribute much monetarily, i would be more than willing to offer up items for drawings for such an activity. i'm sure you'd also get others willing to donate some things here and there, in the absence of not being able to afford cash donations.

Kidney Licker

Kidney Licker

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Europe Server

Any reason why the Smiley ad is always used, are they are a long time sponsor?

I can see the reason for the ads, but a bit more variety would be nice. Any chance that other companies would want to advertise here?

It is kinda overbearing the ad and detracts from the thread.

Lasareth

Lasareth

Aquarius

Join Date: Jun 2005

Somewhere between Boardwalk and Park Place

I'd like to also add that the majority of the staff of this site makes absolutely no money off of helping to run it. That includes me. The money goes straight to the site and into its upkeep and support. Hence its term "fansite." Those of us who keep things going are here for love of the community and the game, not the money.

Guardian of the Light

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

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^ LIES!!!

j/k j/k


Anyways ya the ads are annoying getting rid of them would be nice.

Neo Nugget

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

Im not seeing them anymore

Grasping Darkness

Grasping Darkness

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

as long as it isnt a pop up and it helps pay for this cool site then i dont mind the ads at all

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Narutoscryed
.. gw is loosing interest.. as a result all sites will be loosing everyday vewiers.
Source your information before you say this.

Quote: your member numbers are very high indeed.. they keep climbing..but the active member number is declining. its the same with gw.. Wrong, the active participant number is increasing in this site, I know this because I have been watching member registrations on this site and... well lets just say I keep a very close eye on member activity (shhh). I can't provide my own sources because they aren't official, but I can point you to this press release, which has numbers that point in my general direction:

Quote: Originally Posted by GuildWars This weekend's numbers shattered the previous attendance record of three million hours set during the Guild Wars FactionsTM You also have to consider the "Long time reader - have never posted" users on this site, the number of 'guests' that are online at any time actually increases over time.

Quote: Originally Posted by Narutoscryed with nightfall we will see a spike in user activity.. this spike will be larger than factions.. but will fade out much faster. Factions recieved alot of negative feedback from before the release and still recieve alot of negative feedback well after its release. With Nightfall, they have had more positive feedback, and while that chapter has recieved negative applause, the amount was not as high as Factions was. Making a prediction of this about Nightfall is pure speculation. What you can say is that Nightfall has recieved much more feedback than Factions, alot more feedback.

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you as the good buisness men you are have predicted this and have started preperations for the next guru site of the next new mmorpg to be released. Correct. Now ask yourself, would there have been a reason 'not' to open up a site for a new game?

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every good thread needs a conspiricy, i guess i will play the part. My name is Terra Xin, I will play the part of post-dismantling. Nice to meet you.

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this site will have moved on to the next mmorpg. They don't just close entire sites when a new game comes unless the game has completely died out, that wont happen for a very long time.

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I am a realist.. and this is the inevitable result of any mmorpg.. at least in my opinion it is. Anet has stated, or better yet, a few people from Anet have stated that GW is not an MMORPG, but this game does share the player-base that an MMORPG would have. Albeit GW will share the same fate and may die away slowly like other RPG games, but they aren't facing financial issues and they have looked well into the future. We as the playing community can expect to see many more things to come out of this game before any more people will claim that GW will soon be a dead game. I am a realist, I have looked and read into GuildWars, the only way they could die out in January is if some... kind of natural disaster hit them and destroyed all of their work, otherwise, they are very very strong.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Akhilleus
another extention of my former idea, to post what it costs/donations, is to enter people who donate into weekly or monthly drawings for different items in-game...
this would provide a special means of thanking those who go that extra mile to contribute to the site.

while i may not be able to afford to contribute much monetarily, i would be more than willing to offer up items for drawings for such an activity. i'm sure you'd also get others willing to donate some things here and there, in the absence of not being able to afford cash donations.
Sounds great! You came up with this idea? Was it in another thread I didn't catch? Ya know, because I don't see your posts before mine in this thread where I came up with the idea. If you did, then, sweet, we're on the same wavelength!

Akhilleus

Akhilleus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

If it aint expensive, it aint worth buyin'.

Leading/Co-leading Bretheren Of Chaos [Dark]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Sounds great! You came up with this idea? Was it in another thread I didn't catch? Ya know, because I don't see your posts before mine in this thread where I came up with the idea. If you did, then, sweet, we're on the same wavelength! ive been proposing this particular method in fansites ive been a part of since 1998/9.

you suggested special titles on the site (which works fine too). i suggested posting a page that actually lists the monthly bill for GWG, as well as monthly donations, so people see what is still needed at any given time, then extended it further with in-game item drawings; as this is something members who are unable to contribute financially, may be able to endorse.

Doomlord_Slayermann

Doomlord_Slayermann

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Chicago IL

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

W/P

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra Xin
[Complete dismantling of argument] Thank you. Can we please return to the topic at hand here? Please? Well, I guess I'll start.

The first issue I can see with placing ads to the sides of the main contents of a page is that this will create an inordinate amount of "white space" around the sides of the page. Since the advertisers probably wouldn't be open ads at the bottom of the page (since they get less viewing) the only option is to find another place at the top of the page or in the middle of the page's content.

baz777

baz777

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

South East England

Leader: Lady Hairy Armpits S[mell]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness
as long as it isnt a pop up and it helps pay for this cool site then i dont mind the ads at all /fully agree

Although more obvious when I have this site open at work all day

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

My apologies.

Another area that gets alot of viewing is around the sides of the quick reply box. Since you'll be looking at them for the entire time you post, and I can't see them as being too intrusive I think that could be a good alternative. I agree with the majority of people who dislike looking at an ad right in the way of what is being read. At least when you're typing, it's not so obvious.

Of course only members will be able to see it, and although we have a population of read-only people, most of us have joined...

kzap

kzap

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

R/Mo

Ok I have been reading a lot of the posts, thank you for all your feedback

Incase you're wondering the Intellitxt inline text ads are still there if you're not logged in, but thats ok since you guys are all loggedin It is also now color black, we can agree green was just ugly, also we make sure there are no gold ads but if u see any, a screenshot to [email protected] will help remove it.

So a lot have people have stressed that they dont like the rectangle ad because it intrudes on their personal space/ post, I understand this so we will be testing other methods so that this does not happen. For one we will remove it from the inside of your post and put it outside the post and clearly label it as an advertisement.

As for the donations, thank you for all who wish to donate, such an opportunity will become available shortly and you will all see why we are testing such changes. We are all working here at Guild Wars Guru to bring you better features for you the fans who play this fantastic game.

Once again thanks for all your patronage and keep giving us feedback, if possible in constructive and helpful ways so we can keep on improving Guild Wars Guru.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Intellitxt is the far worse one of the two imo; it's too intrusive, and it likes to link to gold-selling sites.

Arduin

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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Weird add... Ain't complaining though.

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

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eep, I prefer the Horizontal one in the OP, rather than the HUGE one below it

MirkoTeran

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

So.. can we get rid of the adds or do we have to stop coming here?

kzap

kzap

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

R/Mo

ok 2 choices now for testing
Style 1B - Rectangle ad on right of first post.
Style 1A - Rectangle ad as 2nd Post.

They are both labeled and separated as Advertisements.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Please.... no seperate box for the ads.

I've seen some forums stick an ad inbetween posts after 10 posts. So, in other words, you have the OP, then 9 replies, then an ad that appears after the 9th reply (10th post), then 10 more replies to fill up the page. Each following page gets the same treatment of an ad every 10 posts, effectively.

This way, only the more popular threads will have ads, which will generally be the most visited as well. Plus, you only see the ad if you scroll through, reading the thread. It should catch enough attention, and not be too much of a hinderance on the posters or readers.

Re-formatting someone's post for whatever reason, be it squishing for ad-space or the hot-links, is what I consider unacceptable. I'd say leave the content of posts alone, except for moderation purposes only.

Otherwise, I still say this site will make much more money with donations than advertisements, any day. It's simpler, less trashy, and in the end would make everyone happy, I think. That I think is the way to go.

Kidney Licker

Kidney Licker

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Europe Server

How about creating a thread with links to online retailers? If guru became affiliated with some, forum members could click on the links when they wanted to buy something and guru would receive royalites.

I'm intending to buy something from www.choicesuk.com in the future and would be more than happy to click on a link from guru when buying something from them.

DJJD2006

DJJD2006

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

[CASH]

R/Mo

Yeh, I suggest the add being another banner along the bottom of the page just above the

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ran93r

ran93r

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

UK

May Contain [Nuts]

W/Me

The in-thread ads are annoying as is the ask.com text, ads can be a necessary evil but the links are just pointless and completely unrelated to anything GW.

I would like to see however a "donation" option to remove all ads/search links (including the main banner), I for one would happily pony up an annual fee for this feature because I want to support the site but at the moment, firefox ad blocker is an easy way to kill everything you are looking at implementing.