minions turning on the team
gabrial heart
so a group of us guildies were in sorrows furnace doing FA and not once, not twice, but three times the minnions turned on us. The first time we though that they added veratace gaze to the necro guys (but there wasn't a necro in the mob). The second time we asked in alliance chat if anyone else was experiencing an issue and one person mentioned it happened once in AB. So this thread is basically here to point out that there is an issue with minnions turning on the group. And no the MM didn't leave and no he wasn't using gaze and to my knowledge none of the necros in sorrows used it either. Anyone else experiencing any mm issues like this? I did a search and didn't find anything here on guru.
Xenex Xclame
When did this happen?
I was with guildies in urgozz yesterday and the MM was alone with no monsters in the range and the minions turned on him and killed him.
I was with guildies in urgozz yesterday and the MM was alone with no monsters in the range and the minions turned on him and killed him.
gabrial heart
This weekend also. Luckly the mm had me to heal him, but they turned and nuked him till we killed them. It seemed to happen after we killed a mob, but I think once it happened while fighting a mob.
Fluffyx
Perhaps your necro is using veretas aura. When it ends the MM loses control of all their minions.
gabrial heart
not using aura, especially concidering there aren't any mm enemies in sorrows.
Ganik Thress
Did your Minion Master die by any chance?
Fluffyx
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not using aura, especially concidering there aren't any mm enemies in sorrows.
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gabrial heart
Not to be a jerk or anything but, you ARE kidding right? No he didn't die.
Knightsaber Sith
The minions are rebeling
Franco
how scary, 
this is why I never made a minion master
this is why I never made a minion master
WLlama
If the minion master died once, he may have used verata's to regain control of his unleashed horde and then they turned on him after it released. Just another possibility but without the MMs exact skill layout, death record, etc. it is hard to tell. This happening in AB is very common since Verata's is everywhere. 
Ok...given the posts that occurred as I typed...some revision. Just using Verata's even if you don't die will cause your minions to eventually rebel once it expires. Thus, it is possible with no deaths for them to still turn on the MM.
Ok...given the posts that occurred as I typed...some revision. Just using Verata's even if you don't die will cause your minions to eventually rebel once it expires. Thus, it is possible with no deaths for them to still turn on the MM.
GloryFox
I saw this in AB last night. Not sure what caused it. After we caped a target with no red dots in sight they just turned and attacked the Necro. Fortunately there were just 4 of em however the Necro was cussing up a storm over it.
Oh a GW forum
Well, I MM'd through tombs yesterday and had no problems... so I'd say either you or your MM is confused about something, because a glitch like this doesn't just go by unoticed with hundreds of thousands of MM's playing...
gabrial heart
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Its very easy to put the wrong skill on the bar when they have simmilar names. Also your MM may be new and not know that he is using the wrong vereta skill.
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Retribution X
Happened to me today. and I KNOW I didn't use Veretas. I was just standing there, hadn't used any skills, and they just attacked.
I'll see if I can get them to do it again, and get a screenie.
I'll see if I can get them to do it again, and get a screenie.
gabrial heart
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Well, I MM'd through tombs yesterday and had no problems... so I'd say either you or your MM is confused about something, because a glitch like this doesn't just go by unoticed with hundreds of thousands of MM's playing...
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WLlama
Another side note on Verata's Aura:
You can keep it up continuously unless you forget or you have your enchantment ripped/drained/etc. I would guess the enchant ripping is more likely for an experienced MM. However, without the skill bar it is hard to say though the likelihood is much lower since he is an experienced MM.
Maybe I'll test my MM tonight in the area and see if I can get such an error to occur.
You can keep it up continuously unless you forget or you have your enchantment ripped/drained/etc. I would guess the enchant ripping is more likely for an experienced MM. However, without the skill bar it is hard to say though the likelihood is much lower since he is an experienced MM.
Maybe I'll test my MM tonight in the area and see if I can get such an error to occur.
Zinger314
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Another side note on Verata's Aura:
You can keep it up continuously unless you forget or you have your enchantment ripped/drained/etc. I would guess the enchant ripping is more likely for an experienced MM. However, without the skill bar it is hard to say though the likelihood is much lower since he is an experienced MM. Maybe I'll test my MM tonight in the area and see if I can get such an error to occur. |
Captain Arne Is PRO
Minions On Strike!
gabrial heart
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You lose control of the minions after the time expires on the first cast. So that's like 5 minutes or so.
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valtonray
maybe anet just wants to have fun with the mm's. you know some of those guys are just getting so good. personally i find humor in it(only because it hasn't happened to me yet.)
WLlama
Nope...VA applies to all minions you control. Not just those you had when you cast it.
As for enchant stripping, there is a lot of it going on but they don't always target the MM so enchants may have been stripped from other members instead.
As for enchant stripping, there is a lot of it going on but they don't always target the MM so enchants may have been stripped from other members instead.
gabrial heart
Well i really don't know how aura actually functions once it ends (duration and which minnions it affects) but i can say this, there seems to be either a bug or a bunch of a-net folks having a good laugh.
XvArchonvX
I know this happens in AB sometimes since some people bring Verata's Gaze to counter MMs, but this sounds strange that you should encounter this when your MM doesn't die.
snikerz
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Minions On Strike!
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not like they get a cut in on the loot like the henchies do
WLlama
Hee, hee....it happens a lot in AB because many people bring Verata's Aura. Verata's Gaze doesn''t have the same side affects. On that note, for AB, it is often random classes many people wouldn't expect that surprise you. Not long ago I saw a war cast VA to rob a MM of his minions. They aren't meant ot keep them up...just reduce the opposing force.
I don't blame the minions for striking either...one of the most overworked and underpaid 'classes'
I don't blame the minions for striking either...one of the most overworked and underpaid 'classes'
scrinner
I sympathize with you. However please a screenshot or a video this is funnier the the flamingos let loose bug hehehe
Eviance
OK I am going to try and put this into at least mostly logical perspective.
Why would you be running verata's sacrifice? The typical MM build runs Blood of the Master and Heal Area..... Especially now that MMs are limited there is no point to Verata's Sacrifice, the recharge and lasting time just doesn't make it worth it one bit! Also in SF you should be getting enough corpses that you really are just cycling in the aging for the newer ones, right?
So the idea that he got VS and VA confused just seems a bit far fetched.
Ok so say for example that he DOES accidently take VA, his death magic at 16 = 312secs or 5mins... Why would you need to keep aging minions up that long? If you do NOT have VS AND BotM then how the heck are you keeping them alive long enough for the enchantment to wear off and them to get stolen or turn on you?
The fact that a "mistake" like this could happen may very well be possible, but how likely is it to happen? I think if my minions started attacking me for no darned good reason I would be checking my skill bar 5 times over and I am sure that is what this MM did.
As far as what goes on in AB, well there is so much minion stealing that it's near impossible to know what happened, but as for SF, I say its likely a bug but screenshots are the only real proof for this.
Why would you be running verata's sacrifice? The typical MM build runs Blood of the Master and Heal Area..... Especially now that MMs are limited there is no point to Verata's Sacrifice, the recharge and lasting time just doesn't make it worth it one bit! Also in SF you should be getting enough corpses that you really are just cycling in the aging for the newer ones, right?
So the idea that he got VS and VA confused just seems a bit far fetched.
Ok so say for example that he DOES accidently take VA, his death magic at 16 = 312secs or 5mins... Why would you need to keep aging minions up that long? If you do NOT have VS AND BotM then how the heck are you keeping them alive long enough for the enchantment to wear off and them to get stolen or turn on you?
The fact that a "mistake" like this could happen may very well be possible, but how likely is it to happen? I think if my minions started attacking me for no darned good reason I would be checking my skill bar 5 times over and I am sure that is what this MM did.
As far as what goes on in AB, well there is so much minion stealing that it's near impossible to know what happened, but as for SF, I say its likely a bug but screenshots are the only real proof for this.
WLlama
I believe VA applies to all minions (someone please verify that...can't at work ) so no matter whether you recycle your minions, when it ends all 10 that are in your control (whether old or new) turn 
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) so no matter whether you recycle your minions, when it ends all 10 that are in your control (whether old or new) turn .
Eviance
I think you are likely right (sorry getting tired and didn't think that through) but still why would you mix the two up when you really shouldn't be bringing anything but BotM and Heal Area? No V skills involved -_-
JoeKnowMo
If minions are turning on the team, it's likely that you're playing with necrophiliacs...
Two April Mornings
This is a big bug that needs fixing if indeed it is true.
Das Hip
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The minions are rebeling
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Lol,
Vive la Revolution!! Minions Unite against your goth - oppressors!!
Solution: Don't use minions!! lol, I never liked the things anyway, esp. in PvE, ... They just get in the damn way of my War/Ass Tank...
seut
well, there was this mystery patch without notes on sunday. maybe it was the fix..
Thallandor
sounds like a bug.
MegaMouse
It has happened to me a couple times while I was MMing. I dont run a typical settup and have my skill bar set for healing of e minions I also run retribution and mending. My other skills are flesh golem and bone minions. I do know that when the minion master dies the minions go after watever is in the area regardless if it is friendly or not. But when they turned on me I was quite surprised and couldnt run fast enough. I think this is a bug and needs fixed as it seems that now I know I am not alone.
Mega Mouse
Mega Mouse
Dstroyer666
maybe i picked the wrong time to make my first mm......
Skids
The dead are rising and turning on their masters....and its nearly All Hallows Eve.
WOOOoooooooo...
WOOOoooooooo...
Vilaptca
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The dead are rising and turning on their masters....and its nearly All Hallows Eve.
WOOOoooooooo... |
Guildmaster Cain
Hmm I tried VA once in AB... hated it from the bottom of my heart ^^. When Aura ends or gets stripped away (= ends), all minions you control turn evil (neutral to be exact). And recasting aura when your minions are out of bubble makes them beserk as well i think.
Anyway... it was still fuzzy wether the team's necro used VA or not. But if he did, he might have well stepped into a Well of the Profane and the aura ended, thus making the minions mad.
To my opinion VA is the most useless skill for a MM at least, maybe in the whole game. Maybe it should be updated to a skill or something.
And my MM takes BotM, VS and Heal Area, just in case of bad degen places.
Anyway... it was still fuzzy wether the team's necro used VA or not. But if he did, he might have well stepped into a Well of the Profane and the aura ended, thus making the minions mad.
To my opinion VA is the most useless skill for a MM at least, maybe in the whole game. Maybe it should be updated to a skill or something.
And my MM takes BotM, VS and Heal Area, just in case of bad degen places.