Why did the emperor want to kill Shiro?
danyjr
as the topic says. It's been always a mystery to me, wasn't Shiro the emperors most reliable bodyguard? Then why did he even think of assassinating Shiro at the first place?
Sasuke The Betrayer
In many storylines from many movies, games, etc...
There has always been a leader who fears a soldier they are in command of, (ex Shiro). Shiro was way too strong (as shown int he trailer where he kills the luxon/kurzcik support easily), and the emperor believed it would be something of a curse to keep him as the bodyguard, because with his tremendous power Shiro could almost do anything he wanted. The Fortuneteller told Shiro he would die, unless he killed the emperor himself. And that is what he did.
There has always been a leader who fears a soldier they are in command of, (ex Shiro). Shiro was way too strong (as shown int he trailer where he kills the luxon/kurzcik support easily), and the emperor believed it would be something of a curse to keep him as the bodyguard, because with his tremendous power Shiro could almost do anything he wanted. The Fortuneteller told Shiro he would die, unless he killed the emperor himself. And that is what he did.
Arkantos
The FT told Shiro that the Emperor would kill him. Nobody knows if this was true or not.
Kidney Licker
No one knows why Shiro was invited into the temple during the Harvest ceremony either. The build up to Shiro killing the emperor was a bit weak IMO
Nightfall may contain some answers to this. Some ppl think another power was acting in the background manipulating events, and Nightfall may contain more about this (or it may not
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Nightfall may contain some answers to this. Some ppl think another power was acting in the background manipulating events, and Nightfall may contain more about this (or it may not
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Sair
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No one knows why Shiro was invited into the temple during the Harvest ceremony either.
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Rathcail
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Originally Posted by Sair
Erm, because he was the Emperor's bodyguard? The tend to follow the people they're supposed to be guarding.
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Sophitia Leafblade
I personally think the FT deliberatly told Shiro that the emperor was going to kill him so that he would kill the emperor even though it probally wasnt true, she seemed very cagey, come on if she could see the future she should have known was Shiros reaction to being told was gonna be, and even when she was mortally wounded still still kept on at him to kill the emperor when most normal people would have turned there back on there killer. I think she was more involved in the destruction of much of Cantha than one might initially think.
Pick Me
According to Prima, Shiro was waiting during a cerimony performed by the Emperor. The Ritualists were at specific spots in the room. The Emperor had his back turned towards Shiro and Shiro saw the opportunity to strike.
Why did the Emperor want to kill Shiro? Know one knows. Not Shiro, not the bards, not you nor I. The fact remains that the Fortune Teller informed Shiro that he was going to die and the Emperor was responsible for his demise (beware - The Harvest Cerimony).
It has be speculated that the Fortune Teller is just a messenger, and Shiro was a vessel to which the 6th god was trying to create a situation where he can be free.
You could use the old saying, "keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer." Which case, Shiro was considered to be the enemy and was to be killed.
Strange how Shiro was allowed to keep his swords. If was to be killed, why allow him to have his swords?
Interestingly, any one who claims of a prophecy (or seeing the future) rarely says when, how, where, why and by whom this prophecy will be carried out.
As far as we know, the Fortune Teller was talking about the Harvest Cerimony that was going on in Raisu Palace, Shiro was alive and WE were the ones who were going to kill Shiro for the safety of the Emperor. As far as I know, the Emperor has no fighting skills at all. I'm sure it was the Harvest Cerimony that we kill Shiro. We beat that dragon at the Harvest Temple I think, and Shiro probably had to do a ritual during the Harvest Cerimony to become alive again.
Oh well, its my little theory.
Why did the Emperor want to kill Shiro? Know one knows. Not Shiro, not the bards, not you nor I. The fact remains that the Fortune Teller informed Shiro that he was going to die and the Emperor was responsible for his demise (beware - The Harvest Cerimony).
It has be speculated that the Fortune Teller is just a messenger, and Shiro was a vessel to which the 6th god was trying to create a situation where he can be free.
You could use the old saying, "keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer." Which case, Shiro was considered to be the enemy and was to be killed.
Strange how Shiro was allowed to keep his swords. If was to be killed, why allow him to have his swords?
Interestingly, any one who claims of a prophecy (or seeing the future) rarely says when, how, where, why and by whom this prophecy will be carried out.
As far as we know, the Fortune Teller was talking about the Harvest Cerimony that was going on in Raisu Palace, Shiro was alive and WE were the ones who were going to kill Shiro for the safety of the Emperor. As far as I know, the Emperor has no fighting skills at all. I'm sure it was the Harvest Cerimony that we kill Shiro. We beat that dragon at the Harvest Temple I think, and Shiro probably had to do a ritual during the Harvest Cerimony to become alive again.
Oh well, its my little theory.
danyjr
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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade
I personally think the FT deliberatly told Shiro that the emperor was going to kill him so that he would kill the emperor even though it probally wasnt true, she seemed very cagey, come on if she could see the future she should have known was Shiros reaction to being told was gonna be, and even when she was mortally wounded still still kept on at him to kill the emperor when most normal people would have turned there back on there killer. I think she was more involved in the destruction of much of Cantha than one might initially think.
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Guildmaster Cain
Also odd that she didnt see her own death coming.. Or wait... maybe she did and she is not a human being and didnt care about dying. Just manipulating Shiro into doing what she wanted. Just like Glint manipulated the heroes from chapter 1 into letting the Lich create a rift, Shiro created a rift as well, by becoming a mortal again. This created a way for Abaddon to enter our realm again...
/end rant
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draxynnic
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Originally Posted by Pick Me
Strange how Shiro was allowed to keep his swords. If was to be killed, why allow him to have his swords?
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Besides, Shiro was the greatest swordsman of his day. Would you volunteer to be the guard to ask him to hand over his weapons?
Timeless Logic
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Strange how Shiro was allowed to keep his swords. If was to be killed, why allow him to have his swords?
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V for Vendetta
I think I read in Prima guide that FT was seen with Am Fah often, and it also said Shiro was bring Am Fah down, so I was thinking Am Fah was behind the whole thing, killing the Emperor who ordered Shiro to destroy Am Fah and Shiro who was destroying Am Fah. Thought it was brilliant move from Am Fah eliminate both of them through FT.
Steps Ascending
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Originally Posted by Pick Me
Interestingly, any one who claims of a prophecy (or seeing the future) rarely says when, how, where, why and by whom this prophecy will be carried out.
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If the prophet would give every details of the prophecy, the people would act differently before (the most extreme example would be a civilisation who let itself be anihilated waiting for a prophecy to unfold) and while the prophecy is resolving(would the white mantle have been so helpful if they knew we would help destroy the Mursaats). If he think himself invincible, his attitude would change drastically.
If you want to manipulate someone, he must ignore you are manipulating him. Did someone here read the Fondation cycle(by Asimov)? There is a couple of discussion about this in the 4th book (Fondation foudroyée in french).
Pick Me
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Originally Posted by Steps Ascending
I may have a theory about this. (if I did not got the sarcasm excuse me)
If the prophet would give every details of the prophecy, the people would act differently before (the most extreme example would be a civilisation who let itself be anihilated waiting for a prophecy to unfold) and while the prophecy is resolving(would the white mantle have been so helpful if they knew we would help destroy the Mursaats). If he think himself invincible, his attitude would change drastically. If you want to manipulate someone, he must ignore you are manipulating him. Did someone here read the Fondation cycle(by Asimov)? There is a couple of discussion about this in the 4th book (Fondation foudroyée in french). |
I mean if someone said, you will kill the 68th Emperor on his birthday with his bedpan in the hall connecting to the kitchen. What would you do? Would you kill yourself right there and then? Would you spend your time finding out why? Would you kill the 68th Emperor on his 67th birthday just so the prophecy doesn't come true?
Let's say you try to find out why this prophecies involving you would come to pass. Let's say that you find out if you don't kill him, something terrible will happen. Why a bedpan? No weapon is permitted in the Castle/Palace. It becomes the only weapon available to you (stealing a weapon from a guard may cause too much trouble for you). If it is a true prophecy, then you can't fight fate/destiny.
Sadly, prophecies are ment to be interpreted, thus, many questions remain unanswered and it isn't always revealed who or what exactly is to take place. If you ever watched the TV show Angel or the movie Life or Something Like it, you may see what I mean.
fleshvirus
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Originally Posted by danyjr
as the topic says. It's been always a mystery to me, wasn't Shiro the emperors most reliable bodyguard? Then why did he even think of assassinating Shiro at the first place?
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Did i make myself clear?
lapsus
Its easy to see there is alot of interpreting room like nostradamus and his vague seeings. i think it was said best in DUNE, a seer can only see up to the first major choice but all the paths are laid out. The path that the FT speaks about, Shiro getting killed or killing the emperor, was the most common. Who knows maybe the Emperor had gone insane and thought of Shiro as a rival al la Nero (it might have been calligula but im not sure) and has him killed. The meanings and reasons arnt as important as the end effect. Every prophecy is neccisarly vague to create wonder or doubt.
PanGammon
You can't see the obvious can you? It was Gwen's plot............
Bellucci
******NIGHTFALL SPOILERS********
the emperor had no intention of killing shiro... the prophet that told shiro that the emeperor would do such a thing was a minion of Abbadon, and the interaction between shrio and the prophet tainted him... the headaches shiro always had during his human existence, as seen in the cinematics, was similar to what many others were experiencing when touched by abbadon.... it was all abbadon's doing, and he did the same with Varesh, as she also had interaction with a prophet like character who very much resembled the one from factions....
the emperor had no intention of killing shiro... the prophet that told shiro that the emeperor would do such a thing was a minion of Abbadon, and the interaction between shrio and the prophet tainted him... the headaches shiro always had during his human existence, as seen in the cinematics, was similar to what many others were experiencing when touched by abbadon.... it was all abbadon's doing, and he did the same with Varesh, as she also had interaction with a prophet like character who very much resembled the one from factions....
runeseeker1
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Originally Posted by Pick Me
According to Prima, Shiro was waiting during a cerimony performed by the Emperor. The Ritualists were at specific spots in the room. The Emperor had his back turned towards Shiro and Shiro saw the opportunity to strike.
Why did the Emperor want to kill Shiro? Know one knows. Not Shiro, not the bards, not you nor I. The fact remains that the Fortune Teller informed Shiro that he was going to die and the Emperor was responsible for his demise (beware - The Harvest Cerimony). It has be speculated that the Fortune Teller is just a messenger, and Shiro was a vessel to which the 6th god was trying to create a situation where he can be free. You could use the old saying, "keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer." Which case, Shiro was considered to be the enemy and was to be killed. Strange how Shiro was allowed to keep his swords. If was to be killed, why allow him to have his swords? Interestingly, any one who claims of a prophecy (or seeing the future) rarely says when, how, where, why and by whom this prophecy will be carried out. As far as we know, the Fortune Teller was talking about the Harvest Cerimony that was going on in Raisu Palace, Shiro was alive and WE were the ones who were going to kill Shiro for the safety of the Emperor. As far as I know, the Emperor has no fighting skills at all. I'm sure it was the Harvest Cerimony that we kill Shiro. We beat that dragon at the Harvest Temple I think, and Shiro probably had to do a ritual during the Harvest Cerimony to become alive again. Oh well, its my little theory. |
The emperor has no fighting skills at all?!
every emperor of cantha (since chang hai) is an ascendant emperor. They have all become weh no su. kisu is the 31st emperor, but the 20th ascendant emperor.
Pick Me
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The emperor has no fighting skills at all?!
every emperor of cantha (since chang hai) is an ascendant emperor. They have all become weh no su. kisu is the 31st emperor, but the 20th ascendant emperor. |
Unless he had his henchmen do all the fighting, while he (a ritualist perhaps) kept healing everyone.
PanGammon
It Was Gwen!!! Gwen Did It!!! No One Else!!!!!
runeseeker1
lol this is what really happened...
if you watch the unwaking waters beginning cinematic, you can see the part where shiro kills the emperor.
when shiro and the emperor(with his retinue) went to the temple, the emperor told the guard that there was a "change of plans" and shiro could enter with the emperor along with the retinue.
Then Shiro got his headaches, blah blah blah.... the end.
Shiro's headaches kept telling him "the emperor wants to kill you" or "beware the harvest ceremony" or "there has been a change of plans" over and over in his head.
Thus Shiro thought that the "change of plans" meant that the emperor wanted to kill shiro in the temple.
if you watch the unwaking waters beginning cinematic, you can see the part where shiro kills the emperor.
when shiro and the emperor(with his retinue) went to the temple, the emperor told the guard that there was a "change of plans" and shiro could enter with the emperor along with the retinue.
Then Shiro got his headaches, blah blah blah.... the end.
Shiro's headaches kept telling him "the emperor wants to kill you" or "beware the harvest ceremony" or "there has been a change of plans" over and over in his head.
Thus Shiro thought that the "change of plans" meant that the emperor wanted to kill shiro in the temple.
Crepuscular
I'm guessing it's some evil's grand plan of taking over the whole, and shiro was just a pawn
Guildmaster Cain
The Vizier was a servant of Abaddon before the Searing, it is unkown if Shiro was a follower before talking to the FortuneTeller, maybe theres some sidequest about that?
Gairoh
Probably the fortune teller was some sort of Abaddon's seer..sent to corrupt ppl's mind and "taint" them. Shiro was revealed to be a general of Abaddon..his fighting skills might have cought Abaddon's attention,and he could be used to take over the world..probably the emperor found out/ was told (also from some sort of fortune teller??) tht Shiro is going to kill him,the same thing the fortune teller told Shiro, Shiro or the emperor,beware the harvest ceremony!!...probably just tht Shiro acted first and no doubt more powerful.
Tide to Go
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The FT told Shiro that the Emperor would kill him. Nobody knows if this was true or not.
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shiro was tricked by the fortune teller so that shiro would turn bad why? because abadon sent her so lich and shiro could join up
Tide to Go
o and i forgot to tell you this is true because I saw the quest to go kill that stupid old lady