GW please change the survivor title!!
Phantom Flux
/signed atleast have a nice statue in hom for r1 survivors too.
Vehemence
/signed. Imho it does not defeat the title as 'survivor' because you still will try to survive getting exp without dying.
Shadowspawn X
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Even though two of my three toons are pre-factions and can't get the title getting from level one to twenty unscathed is a large part of the title. Only way they could fix it is if older characters get a one shot chance of surviving HM till they got the required XP.
Even though two of my three toons are pre-factions and can't get the title getting from level one to twenty unscathed is a large part of the title. Only way they could fix it is if older characters get a one shot chance of surviving HM till they got the required XP.
smoochie kinz
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I agree with the other posters who stated the whole point of survivor is not to die. I would rather the devs work on other titles such as wisdom and treasure hunters and making those account based. Honestly, it doesnt take that long to make a legendary survivor... I got it on my first char I created for the title and got to lvl 20 and the whole sh-bang by myself with no heros and henchies.... There's no reason to change the title. Its perfectly fine how it is.
I agree with the other posters who stated the whole point of survivor is not to die. I would rather the devs work on other titles such as wisdom and treasure hunters and making those account based. Honestly, it doesnt take that long to make a legendary survivor... I got it on my first char I created for the title and got to lvl 20 and the whole sh-bang by myself with no heros and henchies.... There's no reason to change the title. Its perfectly fine how it is.
princess jessie
agree--i have posted this before with no luck. let us start from wherever we are and go for it, even raise the xp if necessary if you are trying it with your level 20, but at least give us a shot at it
princess jessie
obviously i am not a programmer, but would it be possible to for example, talk to a npc or get a book that would trigger the survivor title for those of us who have played for a million years? would it be able to track the points that way from a new beginnng spot? haven't a clue but it just wandered through my mind..........
shoogi
Legendary Survivor is probably the easiest title to get in the game, with Kilroy's dungeon. So, I say no. Plus, HoM is gonna be account-wide so that solves your problem.
Lishy
Survivor should be the amount of experience you get without dying or else the amount of xp resets.
Not whether or not you die once on the character.
Not whether or not you die once on the character.
MithranArkanere
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Legendary Survivor is probably the easiest title to get in the game, with Kilroy's dungeon. So, I say no. Plus, HoM is gonna be account-wide so that solves your problem.
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Lady Raenef
/signed
This title is extremely to get, so it should be adaptable to everyone. It's not fair, in my opinion.
This title is extremely to get, so it should be adaptable to everyone. It's not fair, in my opinion.
Shayne Hawke
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Legendary Survivor is probably the easiest title to get in the game, with Kilroy's dungeon. So, I say no. Plus, HoM is gonna be account-wide so that solves your problem.
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I think that the bigger problem than figuring out how to change Survivor is how to change LDoA. Currently, you can't have both at once (please don't argue the exception), so what happens if we make LS redoable? My favorite solution so far was posted by Shadowmoon in this thread. It involves being able to create a new character to obtain either title, and then use a special one-time item/ability to transfer the progress to a different character, given some possible restrictions.
Marverick
I think the best way would be to allow people a one-time chance to make a new character of the same profession.
Once Legendary Survivor is acquired on that new character, it can be transferred to the original character.
Once Legendary Survivor is acquired on that new character, it can be transferred to the original character.
komma
if anything the title track should restart every time you die. but the progress bar in your title menu will not appear until you have earned idk say 50-100k exp w/o a death....just a thought however.
Hailey Anne
Absolutely not. People will then just go max every title they can and then go hfff for pointless Survivor title.
/not signed.
/not signed.
Monkey Slayer
/notsigned
ever since EotN was released, the Survivor title's a joke at best. Hardest part is getting to 10 so you can go to EotN, and even then, if you make a Factions toon it's no problem getting LS.
ever since EotN was released, the Survivor title's a joke at best. Hardest part is getting to 10 so you can go to EotN, and even then, if you make a Factions toon it's no problem getting LS.
Azul Traegorn
I am EXTREMELY opposed to this idea (respectfully of course).
Even without farming, this title is readily accessible.
I have just finished my sixth legendary survivor without using farming tactics, an Ascalonian necromancer and she just finished Cantha last night with masters on all mission except Raisu, Gyala and the Shing Jea island missions (which I have yet to get to).
This title can have its pitfalls...I lost a legendary at 1.2mill exp...but it is do-able as is, and should stay as is.
/not signed
Even without farming, this title is readily accessible.
I have just finished my sixth legendary survivor without using farming tactics, an Ascalonian necromancer and she just finished Cantha last night with masters on all mission except Raisu, Gyala and the Shing Jea island missions (which I have yet to get to).
This title can have its pitfalls...I lost a legendary at 1.2mill exp...but it is do-able as is, and should stay as is.
/not signed
MithranArkanere
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I am EXTREMELY opposed to this idea (respectfully of course).
Even without farming, this title is readily accessible. I have just finished my sixth legendary survivor without using farming tactics, an Ascalonian necromancer and she just finished Cantha last night with masters on all mission except Raisu, Gyala and the Shing Jea island missions (which I have yet to get to). This title can have its pitfalls...I lost a legendary at 1.2mill exp...but it is do-able as is, and should stay as is. /not signed |
The others can't.
Re-rolling is not an option in GW. Characters are eternal. You make them once, and change them after being created.
This is not a game where you have a skill tree and you must choose over time, and if you don't like it, you delete and make another one. That would make no sense at all. You change the character after creating it.
The title must be changed, since do not match the GW mechanic.
Solas
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Absolutely not. People will then just go max every title they can and then go hfff for pointless Survivor title.
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If protector was to follwo the same rules as survivor then you have 1 chance to get masters, and is only available to characters that finished the first 10 missions without a party death.
i know its rough but there isn't really a good chance for a character to get survivor unless it was pre-planned, which is unlike any other titel i nthe game
Enix
The precedent in this game in the original inception was that that deaths "did not matter", in the sense that it would not permanently impact your player (losing XP, gold, items, etc). In fact, it was even billed as a FEATURE of the game.
Something should be done about the title not being able to be maxed, considering 99% of people do it HFFFWay or StonekinWay now, which was not the original intent.
Give those of us who have died for the sake of the mission (or a bad internet connection) the opportunity to achieve something similar - that is only equitable.
A fair title would fit into the current Survivor tier system, but only calculate XP since the previous death (starting today) for each tier. That way a character would be able to achieve each tier independently (good for mission-first people, bad connections), current survivors would be unaffected, and those of us with deaths on long-standing characters would have a chance to earn those titles.
/Signedish
Something should be done about the title not being able to be maxed, considering 99% of people do it HFFFWay or StonekinWay now, which was not the original intent.
Give those of us who have died for the sake of the mission (or a bad internet connection) the opportunity to achieve something similar - that is only equitable.
A fair title would fit into the current Survivor tier system, but only calculate XP since the previous death (starting today) for each tier. That way a character would be able to achieve each tier independently (good for mission-first people, bad connections), current survivors would be unaffected, and those of us with deaths on long-standing characters would have a chance to earn those titles.
/Signedish
daze
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its a nightmare to get for a reason. Those legendary survivors you see out there, you know they worked hard for it........... |
viper11025
/signed
For obvious reasons......
I remember when r1 and r2 was sometihng...........now it's vertually nothing.
>.<
Cons + Boxing = Pwned Dungeon
For obvious reasons......
I remember when r1 and r2 was sometihng...........now it's vertually nothing.
>.<
Cons + Boxing = Pwned Dungeon
Amnel Ithtirsol
/signed
Even though I think this thread is a waste of time. I mean, honestly, this thread is from 2006! If LS was going to be changed it would have been already.
Anyway...
Even though I think this thread is a waste of time. I mean, honestly, this thread is from 2006! If LS was going to be changed it would have been already.
Anyway...
Hanging Man
/notsigned
survivor it a title that requires many, many hours of questing, do missions, and being uber-sketchy about your health. It does suck that all of the old-timing GW fans [myself included, yes I got Gw when it first came out] and yeah it deff sucks that I can't get survivor on my ele, but what the fck you gonna do? I've made countless chars just to get survivor on them. Spend gold on max armor when their lvl 5 get max weps. And still they die.
The only alternative that seemed decent, I read earlier in this thread, make a one-time only, never happens again, like start over. Take to some npc, doesn't reset deaths just allows you to try for title ONE more time.
A lvl 20 will hae a much more difficult time getting that much expericence without dying. What they gonna do go to Crystal Desert and get ascended again?
survivor it a title that requires many, many hours of questing, do missions, and being uber-sketchy about your health. It does suck that all of the old-timing GW fans [myself included, yes I got Gw when it first came out] and yeah it deff sucks that I can't get survivor on my ele, but what the fck you gonna do? I've made countless chars just to get survivor on them. Spend gold on max armor when their lvl 5 get max weps. And still they die.
The only alternative that seemed decent, I read earlier in this thread, make a one-time only, never happens again, like start over. Take to some npc, doesn't reset deaths just allows you to try for title ONE more time.
A lvl 20 will hae a much more difficult time getting that much expericence without dying. What they gonna do go to Crystal Desert and get ascended again?
upier
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A lvl 20 will hae a much more difficult time getting that much expericence without dying. What they gonna do go to Crystal Desert and get ascended again?
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Sweet Mystery
/not signed
HoM will be account wide so the unlock for title will be.... create a new one and get it... why worry to get it on you main? I don't.
HoM will be account wide so the unlock for title will be.... create a new one and get it... why worry to get it on you main? I don't.
poasiods
I spent 125 hours on my ranger chasing down every last quest in Prophecies and Factions. I achieved 1,337,500 in middle of Vabbi. It was around my tenth attempt at Legendary Survivor.
People who created their characters when Guild Wars was first released learned about this title when Factions came out. Although they did have the option of restarting their main characters back then (or simply creating a new character for the title), they refused to do so and stubbornly went on with their non-surviving characters. Now, apparently, these people are getting seriously bothered by the fact that they could have had one more title towards GWaMM. I'm sorry, but many people poured in hundreds of hours just to try and achieve LS. I personally re-made my ranger over and over again over 8 months period of time for that LS. My sympathy for those who chose not to remake their characters when the title first appeared, but changing the LS requirement is a huge swing with an aluminum golf club at the crotches of those who legitimately achieved LS.
People who created their characters when Guild Wars was first released learned about this title when Factions came out. Although they did have the option of restarting their main characters back then (or simply creating a new character for the title), they refused to do so and stubbornly went on with their non-surviving characters. Now, apparently, these people are getting seriously bothered by the fact that they could have had one more title towards GWaMM. I'm sorry, but many people poured in hundreds of hours just to try and achieve LS. I personally re-made my ranger over and over again over 8 months period of time for that LS. My sympathy for those who chose not to remake their characters when the title first appeared, but changing the LS requirement is a huge swing with an aluminum golf club at the crotches of those who legitimately achieved LS.
MithranArkanere
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survivor it a title that requires many, many hours of questing, do missions, and being uber-sketchy about your health. It does suck that all of the old-timing GW fans [myself included, yes I got Gw when it first came out] and yeah it deff sucks that I can't get survivor on my ele, but what the fck you gonna do? I've made countless chars just to get survivor on them. Spend gold on max armor when their lvl 5 get max weps. And still they die.
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In my main, I have all elites, I have also made all quests.
It would take way more time and It would be more repetitive to get survivor in it than in a new character.
Yet I want the title only in that character.
I don't want it in another one, and I' not deleting the first character I've ever made.
I could retry almost everything else, excepting but Survivor and going back to basic tutorial areas.
There should be no regrets at all in GW. No matter which path you take, you should be able to go back again and take another.
Survivor must be changed to go with that philosophy.
Kook~NBK~
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. My sympathy for those who chose not to remake their characters when the title first appeared, but changing the LS requirement is a huge swing with an aluminum golf club at the crotches of those who legitimately achieved LS.
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How is going from 1,000,000XP with 200 total deaths to 2,337,500XP with 200 total deaths different than going from 0XP with 0 total deaths to 1,337,500XP with 0 total deaths? (Keep in mind that once you've gotten that much XP without dying, you get the title and no amount of deaths after that will take that title away) The only difference I can see is the means available to achieving it:
1. No more low level enemies at the early stages to gain XP from.
2. Access to quests for quick XP is limited by how many the existing character has done.
3. No quick XP during double XP for skill capping for those who've already done all their capping.
4. No more Mission completion XP for those who've already done all that stuff.
5. Wider variety of skills on developed characters give an advantage, except in cases where new character has gotten his/her hand on tomes to get skills
6. Solo farming methods readily available for most developed characters, making XP farming a very quick proposition. New characters also gain this ability well before they max the title
7. Just vanquishing with an 8-man party can net over 12,000XP an hour (tested this this morning). Again, new characters can take advantage this once they finish the story line. For developed characters, it would take about 100 hours to get the title this way. There are many areas that are very easy to clear and the danger of dying is quite low in those areas.
poasiods
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Leaving the "kick in the crotch" to "legitimate survivors" that is Kilroy's Punchout Extravaganza out of this response...
How is going from 1,000,000XP with 200 total deaths to 2,337,500XP with 200 total deaths different than going from 0XP with 0 total deaths to 1,337,500XP with 0 total deaths? (Keep in mind that once you've gotten that much XP without dying, you get the title and no amount of deaths after that will take that title away) The only difference I can see is the means available to achieving it: 1. No more low level enemies at the early stages to gain XP from. 2. Access to quests for quick XP is limited by how many the existing character has done. 3. No quick XP during double XP for skill capping for those who've already done all their capping. 4. No more Mission completion XP for those who've already done all that stuff. 5. Wider variety of skills on developed characters give an advantage, except in cases where new character has gotten his/her hand on tomes to get skills 6. Solo farming methods readily available for most developed characters, making XP farming a very quick proposition. New characters also gain this ability well before they max the title 7. Just vanquishing with an 8-man party can net over 12,000XP an hour (tested this this morning). Again, new characters can take advantage this once they finish the story line. For developed characters, it would take about 100 hours to get the title this way. There are many areas that are very easy to clear and the danger of dying is quite low in those areas. |
Imagine one day, Anet saying, "So, yeah... Remember those 5 characters you invested like 300 hours in and had to repeatedly restart because lag fked you up? Well... um, yeah, you really didn't have to do that, because everyone who died can get survivors again... Yeah, bye..."
Day Trooper
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Imagine one day, Anet saying, "So, yeah... Remember those 5 characters you invested like 300 hours in and had to repeatedly restart because lag fked you up? Well... um, yeah, you really didn't have to do that, because everyone who died can get survivors again... Yeah, bye..."
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You know - when ANet *** doubled *** points gained towards Luxon/Kurzick titles when donating faction towards your alliance. This is exactly the same thing - because ANet did not retroactively double everyone's title points (which, going forward, now took 1/2 as long to acquire!).
Sure the masses were upset (in some cases quite upset!) about not having a retroactive change, but ask yourself this question...
Would you rather have the old system of gaining Luxon/Kurzick title points, or the new??
I think we know the answer....
Kook~NBK~
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Remember the thread from a while ago? "Funny Ways You Lost Survivor?" You see... some people decide to shoot for Survivors when they make a new character without farming experience points in any way.
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RedStar
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Anyway I'd prefer to have one last chance for that title.
MithranArkanere
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[...]My sympathy for those who chose not to remake their characters when the title first appeared, but changing the LS requirement is a huge swing with an aluminum golf club at the crotches of those who legitimately achieved LS.
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Canthan quests.
Elite Tomes.
Lockpicks.
Zaishen chest.
Party effects.
Festival give-aways of items.
Double and triple weekends.
EotN consumables.
Luxon/Kurcik point change.
PvP title faction cap bonuses.
Etc, etc, etc...
All titles change over time, when the game changes.
And many things of the game have changed:
Attribute point buy.
Skill gems.
No heroes.
No character slot buy.
Campaigns added.
Etc, etc, etc...
Sorry, but "I got it like this when the game was like that" is NOT a valid argument.
The game changes, and as the game goes on, things change to go with that.
So, how hard the title WAS is NOTHING compared on how the title is now. And omeone getting a title does NOT disqualifies others to get it too.
Actually, now it would take more time for a level 20 character that made all quests and captured all skills than to a level 1 character started from scratch, if the character got Factions and EotN.
Now, you can be a level 10 character earning exp in a level 20 area with level 20 armor in less than 10 hours.
w00t!
/notsigned
While I would love to be able to have that title, it isn't realistic, just the same as I can't go back and get LDoA.
One option that I'd like would be to have the ability to "buy back" deaths, kind of like buying indulgances in the middle ages. For 1p donation at your favorite shrine you could lower your death total by one. Might get kind of expensive for people like me with > 1000 deaths, but if I really wanted the title and didn't want to re-roll, at least I'd have an option.
I like this option, as I like any option that removes money from the economy. Gold sinks are in general, a good thing.
While I would love to be able to have that title, it isn't realistic, just the same as I can't go back and get LDoA.
One option that I'd like would be to have the ability to "buy back" deaths, kind of like buying indulgances in the middle ages. For 1p donation at your favorite shrine you could lower your death total by one. Might get kind of expensive for people like me with > 1000 deaths, but if I really wanted the title and didn't want to re-roll, at least I'd have an option.
I like this option, as I like any option that removes money from the economy. Gold sinks are in general, a good thing.
R.Shayne
Why not some consumable that allows you to move Legendary Survivor from one character to another character. Create a new character, get the title, then transfer it to your main character. Same with defender of Ascalon.
As it is now if you make it count the expeirence between death is to open to abuse.
I say wait to see if titles will be changed and how the HoM change will affect titles.
As it is now if you make it count the expeirence between death is to open to abuse.
I say wait to see if titles will be changed and how the HoM change will affect titles.
Zahr Dalsk
If Prophecies characters from before Survivor get the title, I'd like to see the ability for Canthan and Elonian characters to obtain LDoA.
P A L P H R A M O N D
/not signed (I know this thread has been around for a while, but I think the discussions are interesting)
I think that the survivor title is meant to be a flavor thing more than anything else. It doesn't make sense story-wise (I know, I know, it's a fantasy game, it's all made up anyways) for a character to get some sort of "survivor" badge if they had died hundreds of times before, be it through a reset, buying back deaths, whatever. I have been playing for ~36 months, and wish I had a shot at LS on my first character . . . but it just doesn't make sense.
Also, the game changes, as someone above said. So to pine for a roll-back or a big change just to benefit those who have been around for awhile, or to make certain titles account-based is silly. Account-wide survivor titles make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Kurzick/Luxon faction in way does, simply because it makes sense (to me) for the characters (from one account) in a guild to all be bound together in a common fight against the other faction. SS/LB I do not think should be account-wide, because according to the story, it is a you-and-your-band-of-sunspears-against-the-world sort of thing, rather than a big, established fight between factions. Namely, it is a character-theme progression in the story, whereas with faction, all the characters in an account are in one guild belonging to one big faction that is battling against another.
I suppose all of this talk of the "story" might be reaching, but even so, I think it is important for various titles to retain some sense of flavor, and not be accessible to everyone in any situation no matter what. I have no problem starting from the ground up, and indeed I am, to finally make a survivor, and work on getting high enough in the various title-tracks to get good PvE only skills.
I think that the survivor title is meant to be a flavor thing more than anything else. It doesn't make sense story-wise (I know, I know, it's a fantasy game, it's all made up anyways) for a character to get some sort of "survivor" badge if they had died hundreds of times before, be it through a reset, buying back deaths, whatever. I have been playing for ~36 months, and wish I had a shot at LS on my first character . . . but it just doesn't make sense.
Also, the game changes, as someone above said. So to pine for a roll-back or a big change just to benefit those who have been around for awhile, or to make certain titles account-based is silly. Account-wide survivor titles make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Kurzick/Luxon faction in way does, simply because it makes sense (to me) for the characters (from one account) in a guild to all be bound together in a common fight against the other faction. SS/LB I do not think should be account-wide, because according to the story, it is a you-and-your-band-of-sunspears-against-the-world sort of thing, rather than a big, established fight between factions. Namely, it is a character-theme progression in the story, whereas with faction, all the characters in an account are in one guild belonging to one big faction that is battling against another.
I suppose all of this talk of the "story" might be reaching, but even so, I think it is important for various titles to retain some sense of flavor, and not be accessible to everyone in any situation no matter what. I have no problem starting from the ground up, and indeed I am, to finally make a survivor, and work on getting high enough in the various title-tracks to get good PvE only skills.
Enar.
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Give old characters a one-time death reset. Legendary Survivor is the only title that involves risk - it is the only title that you can actually fail to get *permanently*. Removing this risk makes it a very different title. |
You can just go EoTN and brawl-grind yourself to red, which don't need any player skill at all.
I lol hard those who come to say i got Legendary Survivor.
/signed
But then let us Reset The Exp and Level to 1 . Then we can start over.
jones21403
/signed
Between deaths would be good. I started a character to become a survivor, but when I was at 688,617 experience the game lagged in the Crystal Dessert and flushed all that time down the drain. It would be nice if I could still get the title, but I would prefer to have it on my other character that I use more often.
Between deaths would be good. I started a character to become a survivor, but when I was at 688,617 experience the game lagged in the Crystal Dessert and flushed all that time down the drain. It would be nice if I could still get the title, but I would prefer to have it on my other character that I use more often.
Nian
Survivor title is joke. I'm still pissed I lost my tier2 para over a game crash because I was playing instead of farming it but I'll live. I already got at least 3 leg survs and two of them are Tyrian. Since HoM will become account based at some point it shouldn't matter so much which character has obtained the title.
I hope they don't add it to GW2 tho...that would be evil.
I hope they don't add it to GW2 tho...that would be evil.