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leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

26 Oct 2006 at 23:39 - 242

To all the people saying this is a good thing ... please do not cry when ecto prices go up.

Challenge? I don't call making something more difficult that you have been doing for 18 months a challenge. I call that grind. If I had one wish it would be that Anet focused more on the damn game and less about the **gasp** 20 bucks someone spent on ebay. WHO CARES. Anet's crusade impacts the innocent which is BS.

Skids

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

UK FTW

R/Mo

27 Oct 2006 at 00:01 - 243

Strikes me a lot of the changes mafe are their attempt at balance and that the AOE thing has been on the cards for a while. Anet kept schtumm about it for good reason and have by no coincidence released it now right when NF comes out.

Lots of players are upset because all they really have had to do for a while is farm once the previous chapters are finished. Now farming has been nerfed but oooh look whats this a new chapter!!! They hope it will take our attention away from the downside.

Sid Soggybottom

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 00:08 - 244

Quote:

Originally Posted by leprekan

To all the people saying this is a good thing ... please do not cry when ecto prices go up.

Challenge? I don't call making something more difficult that you have been doing for 18 months a challenge. I call that grind. If I had one wish it would be that Anet focused more on the damn game and less about the **gasp** 20 bucks someone spent on ebay. WHO CARES. Anet's crusade impacts the innocent which is BS.

I dont give a crap about ecto prices. I dont know why you people always put priority on the economy, item prices and farming over actual gameplay and balance.

Joshgt2

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Pennsylvania, USA

W/

27 Oct 2006 at 00:16 - 245

What about the Dervish? Every one of her attacks is like a Cyclone Axe or a Triple Chop! Not a big fan of the fact I smack someone 4 times then have to run after them.

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

27 Oct 2006 at 00:17 - 246

Uh this is about "actual gameplay" sorry if I think it is grind when something I have been doing for 18 months now takes longer. This is fun how? This helps casual gamers how? The average pugs skill set is enough to make people drink and now we are forced to use them? Feel free to be a yes man but do get a clue. LMAO and this was balance how? SOJ and SS needed to be nerfed for pvp? It was a blatant example of Anet attacking farmers.

The Prince

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

[CnIm]

27 Oct 2006 at 00:17 - 247

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

I dont give a crap about ecto prices. I dont know why you people always put priority on the economy, item prices and farming over actual gameplay and balance.

because playing the game with crappy items makes it less fun. Also because acquiring good items is based on...thats right, having money. playing through the game provides you with some gold yes, but not nearly enough.the game is described is partly RPG, meaning that if you cant actually play your character the way you want it to be played, your enjoyment goes down. i know if i hadnt farmed and gotten my warrior enough cash to get 15k armor and enough cash to buy a nice green that i wanted, and instead had to play through the game wearing the same boring shing jea armor that it gives you at the beginning of the game, it would have been a lot less fun. farming gives people a motivation to keep playing, and acquiring items that are rare. i agree with the above statement, so what if someone makes 20 bucks selling their gold on ebay? i dont think that hurts the game as a whole, and solo farming i think helps lower prices for rare items by increasing the supply. If Anet wants to nerf farming completly (ill-advised if they want to keep people interested in their products and not pissed because their sole reason for playing after beating the game, which can be done pretty quickly since leveling to 20 takes about a day and a half if you know what your doing), then they should increase the amount of drops people get during missions and make it easier to acquire money.

chicks boy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

No guild

A/E

27 Oct 2006 at 00:19 - 248

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ritualistic Spankin

Don't even say that...I have a strong hatred for playing a warrior. Now I will have to go curl up in the corner and cry while having nightmares of me being a whammi.

yeaa wars r 2 overpowered. wars can kill anything! i hate playing them, worst melee fighter and wars doesnt even have dual wielding tats like 2 boring

lord_shar

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

near SF, CA

27 Oct 2006 at 00:20 - 249

My toon is still soloing UW for ecto's no prob. The AI changes slow me down a little bit, but I've completed several runs without significant problems.

supaet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 00:21 - 250

Quote:

Originally Posted by leprekan

Uh this is about "actual gameplay" sorry if I think it is grind when something I have been doing for 18 months now takes longer. This is fun how? This helps casual gamers how? The average pugs skill set is enough to make people drink and now we are forced to use them? Feel free to be a yes man but do get a clue. LMAO and this was balance how? SOJ and SS needed to be nerfed for pvp? It was a blatant example of Anet attacking farmers.

If it's not fun, then don't do it. Do you farm for gold? why? you want fow armor? that makes you look leet? go play wow and farm for gear.

Do you farm for fun? take it as a new challenge. Like you said, you being doing it for 18 monthes, arnt you bored?

supaet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 00:23 - 251

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Prince

because playing the game with crappy items makes it less fun. Also because acquiring good items is based on...thats right, having money. playing through the game provides you with some gold yes, but not nearly enough.the game is described is partly RPG, meaning that if you cant actually play your character the way you want it to be played, your enjoyment goes down. i know if i hadnt farmed and gotten my warrior enough cash to get 15k armor and enough cash to buy a nice green that i wanted, and instead had to play through the game wearing the same boring shing jea armor that it gives you at the beginning of the game, it would have been a lot less fun. farming gives people a motivation to keep playing, and acquiring items that are rare. i agree with the above statement, so what if someone makes 20 bucks selling their gold on ebay? i dont think that hurts the game as a whole, and solo farming i think helps lower prices for rare items by increasing the supply. If Anet wants to nerf farming completly (ill-advised if they want to keep people interested in their products and not pissed because their sole reason for playing after beating the game, which can be done pretty quickly since leveling to 20 takes about a day and a half if you know what your doing), then they should increase the amount of drops people get during missions and make it easier to acquire money.

what is a crappy item in gw? this is not wow. So wearing fow armor to play makes it more fun? how?

Tachyon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Stoke, England

The Godless [GOD]

W/

27 Oct 2006 at 00:24 - 252

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicks boy

yeaa wars r 2 overpowered. wars can kill anything! i hate playing them, worst melee fighter and wars doesnt even have dual wielding tats like 2 boring

Have you ever made a comprehensible or sensible post?

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

27 Oct 2006 at 00:24 - 253

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord_shar

My toon is still soloing UW for ecto's no prob. The AI changes slow me down a little bit, but I've completed several runs without significant problems.

Right, it's still very much doable. I've just finished my 2nd solo smite run using a vengeful ritualist. A bit harder, but still no biggie. If anything, it's easier to stay awake this way.

May ecto prices soar once more!

The Prince

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

[CnIm]

27 Oct 2006 at 00:33 - 254

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoebe

You can't expect ANet to balance the game around the discrimination criterias of subpar PvE players.

Why not? PvE, is not, as some elitists like to think, a warmup to PvP, its rather a different gaming experience. I didnt buy Guildwars to play in arena battles against other people, if i wanted that, i would have just kept playing Halo. Frankly, this isnt an example of balancing at all, since many of the skills targeted have little application in PvP anyways. Second point, why the hating on PvE players? just because I dont constrain myself to finding a group in HA (hard unless you have rank already bc of the constant "no n00b" crap or "show rank 1st"), and want to play through the storyline that the developers spent their time creating, makes me a subpar player? Maybe if Anet focused on keeping the two game experiences separate and unique, instead of making them too similar, then the professions and the game experience as a whole will benefit. I for one dont want to have to change my characters into narrow specialized pvp builds just to find a party to do missions in pve with.

"Toucher LFG for miss/bonus"..or "Forming IWAY, SI"----thats when PvE stops being enjoyable for the casual player and those who play the game to relax or have a good time instead of "ZOMFG U JUST GOT PWND N00B"

The Prince

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

[CnIm]

27 Oct 2006 at 00:36 - 255

Quote:

Originally Posted by supaet

what is a crappy item in gw? this is not wow. So wearing fow armor to play makes it more fun? how?

who wants their player to have the exact same equipment/looks/skills etc as another?takes the RPG out of MMORPG. i take pride in what i've acquired for my characters, and i think its fun to treasure hunt for rare items. im sure many ppl have a grand ole time playing with standard items but if it wasnt more fun/desiriable to have better items than people wouldnt be able to get 100k+xx ectos for rare items.

Feurin Longcastle

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 00:43 - 256

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoebe

You can't expect ANet to balance the game around the discrimination criterias of subpar PvE players.

Except these "subpar" PvE players comprise the majority of PUG's. Assassin's are all but blacklisted from decent teams, mesmers are usually overlooked, necro's are often coerced to only using MM builds, etc. This is the reality of PvE as is. Anet would do well to assist these classes in PvE rather than magnifying the problem further.

The Prince

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

[CnIm]

27 Oct 2006 at 00:50 - 257

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feurin Longcastle

Except these "subpar" PvE players comprise the majority of PUG's. Assassin's are all but blacklisted from decent teams, mesmers are usually overlooked, necro's are often coerced to only using MM builds, etc. This is the reality of PvE as is. Anet would do well to assist these classes in PvE rather than magnifying the problem further.

/agreed

Taurus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mexico

Go for the eyes [jizz]

W/Mo

27 Oct 2006 at 00:53 - 258

I love the sound of whining n00bs.
Stupid PvEr's, listen : NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE WITH ALL YOUR WHINING, you should all mass /ragequit GuildWars, if enough players leave, they will actually see if they made a mistake or not.

Phoebe

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 00:57 - 259

People, you need to realize that ANet can only fix the game, they can't fix the players. The problem with pugs comes from the players, no amount of skill balancing is going to fix bad players.

blindside350

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 00:57 - 260

How Depressing, I think I'm going to switch to WoW now =(

ekamdu

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Holland

Legion of Sacred Light

Mo/

27 Oct 2006 at 00:57 - 261

just to agree qith pretty much everything:

every fun or very good build has been nerfed... (i think only mm is left, if that damage doesnt scatter enemies :P) especially fire ele.... i thought the whole meaning of an ele... wait... let me get my pretty booklet from the guild wars cd case...

elemtalists are perfect foor dealing large amounts of damage across large groups of enemies in a short matter of time...

so, since you nerfed the ele (only thing left is to air spike in pvp, cos its nearly useless in pve)....

lets just keep it this simple: GW is fun, by dealing huge amounts of damage, and seeing your screen filled with numers... cos of damage you deal by nuking, ss, or whatever... that is what people want! now... you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed that up... the single most best thing of the game... gone to bits, now what do we do? like... 3 mm's, 2 monks and 2 warriors in every party? since there is nothing else as effective as that?

now farming, im currently at 4,467 minutes at the Incorrigable Alehound title... which cost me a bit more than 1 million, and since i only have 180k left, i'll never (at least not the next 10 years) be able to get those 10.000 minutes! unless i can farm again... furthermore, how will players be able to get FoW armor? and the thing i hate most of all, my req8 15^50 storm bow, which used to be worth like 200k... is not even 10k now

conclusion: i might even cancel my ordered copy of nightfall, and wont probably play this game, ever again... ANET just ****ed up the 1,284 hours in nearly 18 months that i've played this game... thanks

now im going to bed and cry for a month...

ekamdu

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Holland

Legion of Sacred Light

Mo/

27 Oct 2006 at 00:58 - 262

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoebe

People, you need to realize that ANet can only fix the game, they can't fix the players. The problem with pugs comes from the players, no amount of skill balancing is going to fix bad players.

this game is meant to be fun for everyone... if now only skilled people can actually play, where's the fun for the 1.5 million other players?

Phoebe

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 00:59 - 263

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindside350

How Depressing, I think I'm going to switch to WoW now =(

Can I have your stuff?
Oh, and good luck with your new full time farming job.

Akathrielah

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

27 Oct 2006 at 01:01 - 264

Quote:

who wants their player to have the exact same equipment/looks/skills etc as another?takes the RPG out of MMORPG

And its this mindset that made MMORPGs the ridiculous carrot-on-the-stick, grind for 300 hours to have rights to grind for another 500 hours, games that we see today.

ZOMG SHINIES!

Gameplay? Storyline? Lore? Balance? Whats that? I WANT MY SHINIES!

Sid Soggybottom

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 01:04 - 265

Quote:

Originally Posted by leprekan

Uh this is about "actual gameplay" sorry if I think it is grind when something I have been doing for 18 months now takes longer. This is fun how? This helps casual gamers how? The average pugs skill set is enough to make people drink and now we are forced to use them? Feel free to be a yes man but do get a clue. LMAO and this was balance how? SOJ and SS needed to be nerfed for pvp? It was a blatant example of Anet attacking farmers.

Since when have you cared about casual players? I remember you in another thread being very anti-casual player because you wanted to protect your farming stash.

ekamdu

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Holland

Legion of Sacred Light

Mo/

27 Oct 2006 at 01:04 - 266

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akathrielah

And its this mindset that made MMORPGs the ridiculous carrot-on-the-stick, grind for 300 hours to have rights to grind for another 500 hours, games that we see today.

ZOMG SHINIES!

Gameplay? Storyline? Lore? Balance? Whats that? I WANT MY SHINIES!

yes we want shinies?

i have finished prophecies 6 times, and factions 3.5 times :P but after that i want to be able to get stuff that actually makes people go "wow he's cool" for example, i was saving for FoW armor on my monk, and trying to get Incorrigable Alehound title... but now, since i only got like 180k left... and cannot farm anymore... bye bye nearly 18 months of gw... 18 months of my life...

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

27 Oct 2006 at 01:06 - 267

This may seem a bit farfetched, but... you could perhaps put in some effort and find an alternative farming build/location?

ekamdu

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Holland

Legion of Sacred Light

Mo/

27 Oct 2006 at 01:08 - 268

it is not about the farming build or location... because mobs now run away, its just a nightmare to kill em all 1 by 1...

Phoebe

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 01:08 - 269

Quote:

Originally Posted by ekamdu

this game is meant to be fun for everyone... if now only skilled people can actually play, where's the fun for the 1.5 million other players?

Bad players can still play the game. But the root of your whining is those bad players won't invite you in their groups because of their uneducated discrimination against your profession.
ANet already has a fix for that: Henchies and Heroes.

But I guess it's easier to just whine till you can primadona your way through the game with some cookie cutter build yourself. Yes, that's it.

Sid Soggybottom

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 01:09 - 270

Quote:

Originally Posted by ekamdu

yes we want shinies?

i have finished prophecies 6 times, and factions 3.5 times :P but after that i want to be able to get stuff that actually makes people go "wow he's cool" for example, i was saving for FoW armor on my monk, and trying to get Incorrigable Alehound title... but now, since i only got like 180k left... and cannot farm anymore... bye bye nearly 18 months of gw... 18 months of my life...

Sorry, but I find it hilarious that people are quitting because they cant farm anymore. Farming is one of the most boring aspects of gaming and only done because people want to collect more and more gold. Chasing that big carrot game.... What ever happend to actually playing the game?

ekamdu

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Holland

Legion of Sacred Light

Mo/

27 Oct 2006 at 01:11 - 271

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

Sorry, but I find it hilarious that people are quitting because they cant farm anymore. Farming is one of the most boring aspects of gaming and only done because people want to collect more and more gold. Chasing that big carrot game.... What ever happend to actually playing the game?

did you even read my post? i told you i finished prophecies 6 times, and factions 3.5 times... and after that i just wanted to make my character more "special", and i need money for that...

The Prince

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

[CnIm]

27 Oct 2006 at 01:13 - 272

maybe anet should just let players pick what skinned items they want at character creation, and then just be stuck with those skins for the whole game, and drops being weapons of only that skin. therefore theres no more drive to get massive amounts of gold for rare skinned items. that way the focus is entirely on storyline, lore, balance, etc.

...i think for the time being im gonna bust out the old school Deux Ex

Rue The Day

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Disciples Of Sunset [DusK]

N/Me

27 Oct 2006 at 01:14 - 273

Ok my thoughts...

I don't care about ss or any of the other AoE's because frankly, if my ass were set on fire, I'd run too even if it were just one hit. And if I were attacking something and discovered it hurt to do so, I'd quite.

My concern is this, with no agrro control at all, how can a team be expected to beat something like UW? If there is no aggro control at all, when that Aatxe breaks off, the first caster he sees is dead. 2 hits. that's all it takes for them to take out a caster.

My only request, is give the warriors a skill to retake aggro. Whether it be be called "Provoke" "Taunt" whatever. Give them a way to be able to take aggro off the casters to give the party a chance. We'll adapt to the rest as we always have, but give us something back other then a new dye color.

Sid Soggybottom

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 01:15 - 274

Quote:

Originally Posted by ekamdu

did you even read my post? i told you i finished prophecies 6 times, and factions 3.5 times... and after that i just wanted to make my character more "special", and i need money for that...

I did read what you said. You said you were quitting because you cant farm anymore. And that's hilarious. What about the new chapter? What about PVP? What about every new feature that recently was put in?

You're saying that even though there's new content, you're still quitting because you cant farm anymore.

Orbberius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

27 Oct 2006 at 01:15 - 275

To all those who claim they are leaving: give me your stuff plzkthnx.
Also, bye bye take care.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

27 Oct 2006 at 01:16 - 276

Quote:

Originally Posted by ekamdu

it is not about the farming build or location... because mobs now run away, its just a nightmare to kill em all 1 by 1...

They do, don't they? Still didn't stop me from killing all smite crawlers solo a few times over the last hour. It didn't even take much longer per run.

I've been laughing my ass off listening to people complain at the Temple of the Ages, between runs. Complaining doesn't help kill monsters, rethinking your strategies will.

Phades

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

27 Oct 2006 at 01:17 - 277

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selena_Lionheart

Anyone else suddenly look at the dervish now with the attitude of "Wow, are they useless, freaking walking firestorm." As there attacks are all AoE, and if the scatter works on them, hello to being useless in PvE. Not to mention, the damage range and AoE made them all but useless in PvP to start, so, yay to the new totally useless class! If its true, assassins finally wont be the most unwanted class in PvE.

I suppose time will tell, but I ought to work on a hammer based dervish while I wait...

Use the AOE cripple skills available to the dervish and all is well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Sounds like Disease and condition-nuking will see a sharp rise in usefulness.

I love conditions...

Yay for evolution, but phsyical damage dealers will still be the fastest and most efficient form of damage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalki

If people haven't found out how to prevent scatter from AoE by now they never will. I'll give you a hint... it involves good pulling, body blocking, knockdowns, snares, and good team chemisty... if you have none of that in your group I have ABSOLUTELY NO SYMPATHY for you. Put that in your freaking guild announcement.

At least not everyone here is overly upset about this. Much of the commentary reminds me of way back when people complained that THK was "too hard".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ritualistic Spankin

Like I said earlier, look for more warrior heavy groups, because unfortunately I think most people will give up on their characters that use AoE type skills, because they wont want to learn how to work around this.

Not to mention, a warrior using straight attack skills (not multiple target skills) sounds like it will have a hay-day with this.

Umm, this update doesnt change that fact. Physical damage dealers are the best source of damage for speed, strength, and efficiency. Read up on why nuking sucks in the gladiator's forum found here. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=113319
If anything, it at least gives the developers a reason to consider bringing spell based damage up to par compared to physical damage dealers since exploiting AI will be less of a valid counter argument.

Quote:

Originally Posted by amosvt

This is a flawed stance IMO. Not every player in Guild Wars is going to be in a good guild, or even a guild at all. You can't make it so that the only way to accomplish anything in the game is to get with "non noobs" who are on TS and do teamwork perfectly. It just isn't going to happen and you alienate 95% of the players out there.

You dont have to be in a "top" guild on ts to be a capable player yourself. Most of the game can be completed with the old style henchmen with poor skill bars. Starting tomorrow, people will have acess to customized henchmen, who you can force to use skills at any given time. If anything, the game is about to get signifigantly easier and more reliable even without other human players. If nothing else, there is the faint hope that the "average" player will become more compotent than the old style AI henchmen following this change as they are forced to give up certain crutches used to make up for other areas of weakness.

Quote:

Originally Posted by amosvt

It should be corrected, or at least I hope it will. I like the concept they are going for with AOE not triggering scatter unless health is low, but something has to have gone wrong with classifying what damage is actually AOE damage.

Corrected, i certainly hope not, but i can guarentee that some fine tuning will take place. Most likely targeting physical based aoe damage sources like barrage, basic scythe attacks, and some others.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

Before we continue to complain about the 'AoE Nerf', keep the following from Guildwiki in mind:

Monster AI is currently erratic. Monster will break aggro from one target if they take damage, but instead of re-establishing aggro (on the same target or new ones) they will get stuck on a target (to the point of just standing there doing nothing).

In short the AI is bugged at the moment.

This should be stickied somewhere.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

27 Oct 2006 at 01:18 - 278

I have a friend that JUST farms (He doesn't PvP, He has finished as many storyline characters as he wants, he just likes Farming..), and he was PISSED TIMES 3 last night.

I calmed him down though. He said if Nightfall offered some REALLY fun gameplay he would stay

His main problem is that the Update that errored up the greens also screwed up alot of his perfect gold items (mods disaapearing).

The Prince

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

[CnIm]

27 Oct 2006 at 01:20 - 279

Not everyone enjoys pvp, and if the game was intended for pvp, then why make the pve campaign at all? also, a lot of the titles etc. require large amounts of money, like ekamdu said about the alehound title, likewise the lucky titles require a large amount of cash. a large part of guild wars is money, the acquisition of it and the spending of it on items/skills, etc. unless 15k armors and crystalline swords are now the mark of only commercial/pro farmers now, then wtf, we need some sort of farming to get items we like. and i dont want to have to play the game through with one character 1000 times to get the money i need for FoW, not even taking into account the increased ecto prices.

ekamdu

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Holland

Legion of Sacred Light

Mo/

27 Oct 2006 at 01:22 - 280

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

I did read what you said. You said you were quitting because you cant farm anymore. And that's hilarious. What about the new chapter? What about PVP? What about every new feature that recently was put in?

You're saying that even though there's new content, you're still quitting because you cant farm anymore.

you completely missed my point

what use has it to play a game, when you cant become any more special then other players?

FOW armor, my wish, will probably get 10 times as expensive (uw farming... gonna be harder) all the cool titles...

and btw, you totally forget that pve is not pvp, and should never be... pvp is a small amount of ppl, vs a small amount of people... pve is a small amount of people vs huge amounts of monsters...

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

R/

27 Oct 2006 at 01:36 - 281

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akathrielah

And its this mindset that made MMORPGs the ridiculous carrot-on-the-stick, grind for 300 hours to have rights to grind for another 500 hours, games that we see today.

ZOMG SHINIES!

Gameplay? Storyline? Lore? Balance? Whats that? I WANT MY SHINIES!

ZOMG I WANT MY SHINIES TOO!

Anyways this is not the first time something like this happens and it seems fast becomming a tradition for Anet to nerf the shitz out of the old chapters to make way for/make you buy the new one. The community will find another farming routine soon enough, the only problem is why anyone is willing to share their gold mine to have it nerfed.

Just keep an eye out, and farming isnt dead. You just have to use something else.