Potential future scam warning concerning rune armor drops

bryann380

bryann380

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

USA

Mo/

I strongly recommend you do NOT buy unidentified purple/gold armor drops from players (at least the ones not in your guild/alliance/friends) and here's why. When I first found a gold armor drop after the update, I salvaged it first to see what type of rune it would be. In the process, the armor was not destroyed... BUT... it remained gold in text color, still not identified. So when I tried to salvage it again, I got materials. This has been confirmed by me with purple armor drops as well.

So I believe scammers will salvage runes from purple/gold armors then try to sell those armors for huge prices as if the runes were still in them.

Pass this along to everyone you know!

Rahl

Rahl

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Austin, Tx

Mmph Its [Good]

Mo/

Yeah, this is a serious issue. Please fix fast!

broodijzer

broodijzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

void

Mo/

hmm thanks for the tip. This needs to be fixed ASAP

Sarevok Thordin

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

BUMP also 5 chars

Clord

Clord

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Finland

Victory Via Valour

Posting it to forum get more people who often scam to do same.

Thallandor

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

R/

bump bump major expliot please fix this fast

The undead Mesmer

The undead Mesmer

Delphian Scribe

Join Date: May 2005

Holland

No guild ;_;

N/Me

Thats serious bussiness! *shameless bump* fix it!

Zehnchu

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

Defiantly something that needs to be fixed asap

Gun Pierson

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

Fix thank you.

hola_adios

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/Mo

Can't believe they miss something like this, is it applicable to all golds also? Imagine stripping a sword of all it's mods and then selling it I mean without iding obviously).

SaucE

SaucE

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

OgreSlayingKnife.com

[MEEP] Biscuit of Dewm

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by hola_adios
Can't believe they miss something like this, is it applicable to all golds also? Imagine stripping a sword of all it's mods and then selling it I mean without iding obviously).
I would believe it would be the same. At least this way, no more selling UNid's.

LicensedLuny

Badly Influenced

Join Date: Dec 2005

Buying Humps! (No kidding! Check my buy thread)

Hello Kitty Krewe [HKK] Forever!-ish

Sorry but /not signed

I understand the potential for scamming, sure, but people will find a way to scam other people in any system. Eventually enough people will learn of the scam, and the scammers' odds of success with this one go down, so they move on to something else.

I'm not signing because I like this - being able to get a rune and materials out of armor drops is great for rune and material hoarders like myself. Until this arrived, purple armor drops were useless to me when trying to stock up on rare materials. If I used the expert salvage kit, I got the major rune, not any chance at rare materials.

Perhaps a fix that addressed both concerns would be a flag on an item after it had been salvaged, but please don't just take away this nice new functionality because it give some unscrupulous sorts yet another way to take advantage of others in game.

Luny

Mr.H.Mishima

Mr.H.Mishima

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Summit of Human Evolution

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by LicensedLuny
Sorry but /not signed

I understand the potential for scamming, sure, but people will find a way to scam other people in any system. Eventually enough people will learn of the scam, and the scammers' odds of success with this one go down, so they move on to something else.

I'm not signing because I like this - being able to get a rune and materials out of armor drops is great for rune and material hoarders like myself. Until this arrived, purple armor drops were useless to me when trying to stock up on rare materials. If I used the expert salvage kit, I got the major rune, not any chance at rare materials.

Perhaps a fix that addressed both concerns would be a flag on an item after it had been salvaged, but please don't just take away this nice new functionality because it give some unscrupulous sorts yet another way to take advantage of others in game.

Luny
They mean REMOVE the Gold property from the armor after the rune has been salvaged. It's the Rune that's gold, not the armor.

Franco

Franco

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

England

VoB

Me/

wow you re smart , lol I salvaged a rune from the gold armor and still had teh armor there xD.

ps:and Hells, even after you remove the rune the armor is still gold, and can be sold (scamed)

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

/SIGNED IN BIG BOLD LETTERS

This is a huge exploit that can screw people over in a big way.

The armor's color should change to white when the rune has been salvaged out of it. Scammers are going to jump all over this one. Seekers of Wisdom, beware!

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~
Seekers of Wisdom, beware!
Technically you'd still be identifying a rare, unidentified item, so you'd still get a point towards your Wisdom title (in theory, of course).

I can actually see how leaving it the way it is could be a good thing; instead of buying piles of crap rares for 1k each, you could buy piles of rare armors for 500g-1k each, and then after you identify them, you could salvage them for rare materials (a welcome bonus, I'd say).

Yes, something does need to be done to prevent scamming; however, I personally feel that flagging each armor as pre-salvaged somehow would be an overall more sensible, and in the long run beneficial, method than changing the item rarity as such that one could not earn a title with it.

Two April Mornings

Two April Mornings

No Luck No Time No Money

Join Date: Nov 2005

Amherst College, MA

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Me/

/scamsign

Imaginos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

I just tested an unidentified blue bow that dropped. When you go to salvage it a window pops up that says "This (item) may contain magical components. If you choose to salavage before identifying, you may lose these components."

So you should be safe from scammers trying to salavage stuff out of unknown weapons. BTW I got 5 wood planks course I have no idea if it had mods or not.

Now for armors the way to NOT be scammed is to only buy unidentified extracted runes, course that will stop you from getting a sup vigor unless you pay to id an unid'ed one.

Still some sort of fix for this should be put in the game that will let people know that the rune has been extracted without removing the ability to extract rune and then get salvage stuff too. Perhaps tag the armor name with (extracted).

Batou of Nine

Batou of Nine

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

California, USA

Angel Sharks [AS] (RiP [KaiZ] T__T")

Mo/E

Promotional Bump!

Gaile come saaaave us!!

Warmaster Patton

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Insanity

Vis Decus Vertus [vDv]

R/

I agree with Faer, just flag it, but don't make it so it can't be used for the title.

Clone

Clone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Wow, Nightfall isn't even officially live and there are exploits already. And I thought people going to the PvP island to figure out if their unidentifieds were worth anything was bad.

Please fix this!

natuxatu

natuxatu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wisconsin

Rt/Mo

Yeah that's kind of bad.. there needs to be something posted (Gaile?) as to whether or not this was intended. If it was we will need to adjust but I'd like to know whether or not (and when) to buy gold unidentified~ Thanks

Pkest

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Hooded Reavers of Eternal Life(Ankh)

R/

very exploitable so needs to be fixed asap!

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Does this mean I can get to ID ticks on my wisdom title out of a rare armor?

Like this: salvage rune -> ID rune -> ID leftover armor.

I'm going to farm and try!

Zubey

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Wildly Unsuccessful Pacifists

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hells Last Survivor
They mean REMOVE the Gold property from the armor after the rune has been salvaged. It's the Rune that's gold, not the armor.
Solution QFT

Mr.H.Mishima

Mr.H.Mishima

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Summit of Human Evolution

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Franco
wow you re smart , lol I salvaged a rune from the gold armor and still had teh armor there xD.

ps:and Hells, even after you remove the rune the armor is still gold, and can be sold (scamed)
Right, I get that. Re-read my post.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

Some difference telling that the item has been salvaged is a better choice than ruining this awesome new system just because of some scammers.

OR better yet, give a 100% chance to break the item when you salvage it UNID...

Y.T.

Y.T.

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clord
Posting it to forum get more people who often scam to do same.
quite the opposite

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gli
Does this mean I can get to ID ticks on my wisdom title out of a rare armor?

Like this: salvage rune -> ID rune -> ID leftover armor.

I'm going to farm and try!
Just checked it, and it does work.

Rare armors add 2 to wisdom when salvaged.

rokashan

rokashan

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2005

Simple fix for this is to not allow you to salvage an item unless it's ID'd.

Seron

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

USA

E/Mo

salvaging a weapon un-id does remove the mod, and leave the item still un-id. This has to be an un-intentional bug.

Darcy

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

W/R

@Franco - Hells was explaining to LicensedLuny that posters were not asking to do away with the salvage option. Posters want the gold label removed from the armor after the rune is removed. That would prevent scamming but not affect the salvage option.