Scythe much worse now.

Well I played a Dervish in both previews and I have mostly agreed with the adjustments they have made to the class. However, this one is a bit too far and unnecessary if you ask me.

During both previews your scythe attacks would hit your target and up to two enemies adjacent to YOU. Now, however, the scythe attacks will hit your target and up to two enemies adjacent to your TARGET.

This change has been very annoying, but beyond that seems to contradict the idea behind the scythe. It was said that the scythe was wielded in a whirlwind fashion, striking all of those around you. Now it has changed in concept if you ask me.

Very disappointing

not to rant or anything but, be happy that you have a weapon that CAN attack up to 3 targets without the use of a skill.....in my opinion dervish are overpowered anyway...

the only contradiction is your wording.. its supposed strike all of those around you, but it does now.

I respect your opinion, but I must say you are missing the point. The scythes were designed to hit adjacent enemies to you as a scythe is wielded in circular motions around yourself (mostly due to the weapon's design and weight). It is two handed and the speed of a hammer, but with less damage. Hitting those enemies around you was what balanced it out. Especially when you consider the new AI system, the enemies will spread out around you and so most of the time you only hit one enemy as it is.

Horseman, if you test the scythe you will see it DOESN'T hit those around you. It hits those around your TARGET. In both the preview events it hit those around YOU. A subtle difference yes, but an absolutely crucial one.

oh i misread what you said...

in that case the scythe has been functioning the same for weeks now (ive been using one on my mesmer all month)

Invictus is correct, it is a crucial difference. It is essentially the difference between Hundred Blades and Cyclone Axe. And we all know which of those is used more often.

The average damage without a crit is SLIGHTLY lower than a hammer.
The scythe's higher critical hits actually make it do more damage.
And hitting 2 addtional foes makes it do absurdly more damage.

Scythe is a stupidly imbalanced weapon for PvE.

Feel free to use the excel file to compare DPS.

yeah, it's pretty powerful. It needs a nerf. (Although I have a Derv) it's just too powerful. I would rather it to quite a bit less, but hit around the PLAYER. the strategy is much more interesting.

The one that doesn't take your elite slot?

Hundred Blades is much much better than Cyclone Axe. That's why it was made an elite. If Hundred Blades wasn't elite pretty much every sword warrior would use it.

I really don't consider the scythe an overpowered weapon. First of all it only hits 3 targets when they are nice and close together infront of you. How often does that happen? With the new AI they spread out all the time so its almost impossible to get that bonus often. Second of all because of how much the damage a varied its not dependable. Sure if you crit you will do more damage but if you don't you might do very, very little damage. Finally the skills for hammer attacks do much more damage then Scythe attacks unless you get all your enemies all bunched up conveniently.

If the scythe was nerfed then it would be useless in PvE. If you really feel the need to nerf the scythe somehow and break another class then make enemies seperate after being hit by a scythe while not being targetted.

I didn't say scatter just move a few steps out of range with only the main target enemy staying to fight.

They really need to put the scythe attacks back to "adjacent to you" rather than "adjacent to foe". The multiple hits almost never happen now and are functionally useless. The multiple hits were what balanced the potentially very low damage. It needs to be put back.

pick up a scythe in real life, whirl it around you, and look who gets hurt.

then tell me how a scythe is supposed to work or not Anet.

People forget that dervishs and warriors have to be played differently. Dervishes may do crazy damage to an aoe target, but Warriors will always be the tank on the front line. Dervish sacrfices damage for protection (granted, Dervish does have several great defensive skills, but even so a warrior still has MORE in terms of damage midigation).

Dervish isnt a warrior, just like an assassin isnt a warrior.

You cant expect the same thing form two different classes.

A scythe is not a hammer/sword/axe.