After checking the forums on the Prima Games website, a moderator stated that the guide was cancelled.
Nightfall Guide Cancelled
If it was cancelled will another company, like Brady Games, be releasing a guide.
Can Anet renegotiate with Prima Games to have the guide published?
I realize that wiki is better and up to date with any skill changes, but I do enjoy the maps (especially the continental map) and reading the guide when I am not near a computer for an extended period of time.
Nightfall Prima Guide Cancelled?
Dougal Kronik
Titan Chrae
If it is officially cancelled someone needs to inform the distributers.
Items not yet shipped:
Delivery estimate: October 27, 2006 - November 9, 2006 2 of: Guild Wars Nightfall: Prima Official Game Guide
Sold by: Amazon.com
Items not yet shipped:
Delivery estimate: October 27, 2006 - November 9, 2006 2 of: Guild Wars Nightfall: Prima Official Game Guide
Sold by: Amazon.com
Giga Strike
oh that sux...
Hanok Odbrook
When I went to pick up my Nightfall copies at Gamestop yesterday, I asked about it and they said they didn't even have the guide in their system, so I'm not sure what's up with it.
Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
Truth * Knowledge * Peace
Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
Truth * Knowledge * Peace
EternalTempest
I remember a post that Gaile responded to when someone mentioned about the Nightfall guide... and her reaction was "what nightfall guide".
Hanok Odbrook
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I remember a post that Gaile responded to when someone mentioned about the Nightfall guide... and her reaction was "what nightfall guide".
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Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
Truth * Knowledge * Peace
Sir Skullcrasher
I thought Prima like to do Guide for Guild Wars? I wonder what happened to forced it to be cancelled.
Lil Pips
Any official word on this? Amazon still has it as Ships in 4-6 weeks, but it is no longer on ebgames or gamestop. I had the guide preordered but when I phoned eb/gs customer service, they told me the item was deleted from their database (so I cancelled the order).
Hanok Odbrook
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Any official word on this? Amazon still has it as Ships in 4-6 weeks, but it is no longer on ebgames or gamestop. I had the guide preordered but when I phoned eb/gs customer service, they told me the item was deleted from their database (so I cancelled the order).
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To cut to the quick, don't belive what amazon says. From what I am gathering it looks like the guide was never official, and it was just listed on these sites to get ppl geared up. Gaile would have mentioned something concrete about it if it was being produced. I'm thinking we're not getting one for C3, but I will keep digging for info and post here if anything changes.
Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
Truth * Knowledge * Peace
Dougal Kronik
Anet, allow some company to put out a guide!
I would prefer Prima Games - not for accuracy, but for format.
I would prefer Prima Games - not for accuracy, but for format.
Knightsaber Sith
There was another discussion about that a while back. There's definitely something going on; but I wouldn't entirely trust the words of their mods. I was looking through some other sections in the prima forums and the same mod that said the Nightfall guide was canceled also said that there wouldn't be an HD dvd drive for the xbox360 for atleast a year; meanwhile they go on sale next month.
They seem to just post whatever they feel like without actually looking into it.
They seem to just post whatever they feel like without actually looking into it.
=HT=Ingram
wanna know why? Its because of the Dismal Factions collectors edition sales. but that had VERY little to do with the map and strategy guide. it had more to do with the Lack of availability of the CE AT LAUNCH! If it would have been out WHEN the main game came out it would have sold better. It had NOTHING to do with the competing map, which in my opinion WAS superior anyway.
Now Nightfall strat guide is canceled and the fan forums are plagued with stupid lazy peoples questions on how to get out of Istan and How do I get out of Kourna, Bla bla bla... This is why Strat guides exists... the fact that these sometimes Twits decided to cancel a perfectly legitimate project that will now happen weeks later in Fan based form instead and be trawt with even more inaccuracies then the guide would be, is ludicrous to me what the marketing people are thinking...
It will not surprise me at all if map projects are canceled and go private so the community at large will NOT have n00bs in advance areas such as the gate of secrets and such.
Now I am continually PMed how do I get out of here, whats the quest to get to Kourna... How do I get the hero armor, bla bla bla. I'm at a point of saying go play the game for yourself and OMG READ THE GAME TEXT AND WATCH THE CUTSCENES!! Some people need to have their heads removed since they are obviously not using them is all I am saying...
Thanks alot for making life harder on those that actually play and making the lazy even more lazy then they were before anet. so now instead of making a little extra scratch on a strat guide your company will get nothing from it... As it is now 100% fan based... and if My suspicion is correct, when you make it a copyright issue on posted maps and fan guides it is all going underground and only the select few will have access to it... If I am correct which I think I am all these fan based site are about to get hit with copyright injunctions for posting game maps and content without a license to do so...
If so this is indeed a sad day for all of the GW community... and IT will be the downfall of the company. Because the min they insult the fan base with such actions and make them criminals in their eyes, they will see their fan base disappear... Don't believe me? Ask the music industry how their sales in any form have been in recent years... The image of someone holding on by their fingernails comes to mind...
Now Nightfall strat guide is canceled and the fan forums are plagued with stupid lazy peoples questions on how to get out of Istan and How do I get out of Kourna, Bla bla bla... This is why Strat guides exists... the fact that these sometimes Twits decided to cancel a perfectly legitimate project that will now happen weeks later in Fan based form instead and be trawt with even more inaccuracies then the guide would be, is ludicrous to me what the marketing people are thinking...
It will not surprise me at all if map projects are canceled and go private so the community at large will NOT have n00bs in advance areas such as the gate of secrets and such.
Now I am continually PMed how do I get out of here, whats the quest to get to Kourna... How do I get the hero armor, bla bla bla. I'm at a point of saying go play the game for yourself and OMG READ THE GAME TEXT AND WATCH THE CUTSCENES!! Some people need to have their heads removed since they are obviously not using them is all I am saying...
Thanks alot for making life harder on those that actually play and making the lazy even more lazy then they were before anet. so now instead of making a little extra scratch on a strat guide your company will get nothing from it... As it is now 100% fan based... and if My suspicion is correct, when you make it a copyright issue on posted maps and fan guides it is all going underground and only the select few will have access to it... If I am correct which I think I am all these fan based site are about to get hit with copyright injunctions for posting game maps and content without a license to do so...
If so this is indeed a sad day for all of the GW community... and IT will be the downfall of the company. Because the min they insult the fan base with such actions and make them criminals in their eyes, they will see their fan base disappear... Don't believe me? Ask the music industry how their sales in any form have been in recent years... The image of someone holding on by their fingernails comes to mind...
Phades
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Now Nightfall strat guide is canceled and the fan forums are plagued with stupid lazy peoples questions on how to get out of Istan and How do I get out of Kourna, Bla bla bla... This is why Strat guides exists...
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Of course you phrase it better with the following.
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Now I am continually PMed how do I get out of here, whats the quest to get to Kourna... How do I get the hero armor, bla bla bla. I'm at a point of saying go play the game for yourself and OMG READ THE GAME TEXT AND WATCH THE CUTSCENES!!
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Fluffyx
Why should this matter? The strat. guide isn't really all that helpful for an MMO that directs you in the right direction with its quests, not to mention arrows pointing you in the right direction. Also since GW is an online multiplayer game it has changes that the guide will be innacurate on. Sure it can be helpful but honestly the online communities are a much better source of the information you will need. They are dynamic and can change with the game, while a book cannot. If it is canceled oh well, it will make better players in the end. Learning things for yourself is always more rewarding. 
Kalki
guildwiki.org put them out of business 
It's a really great site. You should check it out if you haven't already done so.
It's a really great site. You should check it out if you haven't already done so.
Brother Redmund
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guildwiki.org put them out of business
It's a really great site. You should check it out if you haven't already done so. |
The best and most readily available resources, either for the PVE or PVP aspects of GW will be found easily online. Here, wiki, tgh, team-iq for example. Why buy a guide?
nirhan shadowmauler
i loved my factions guide. i bought them merely to collect them not to use them. really sad that i dont get a new one for nightall.
Asuka Jones King
I thought it was kinda funny. When I picked up my Nightfall at Gamestop, the manager was digging through boxes like crazy, pulling her hair out. She SWORE that they had Nightfall guides somewhere, and since she had offered, I just let her search for a bit. Finally she gave up...
Reading this now makes the whole situation funny :P
Reading this now makes the whole situation funny :P
Curse You
Well, I told you people that the Prima guide is pretty useless. I think by now, the only things that the Factions guide is right about is what the map looks like... 
Pevil Lihatuh
Well I know GAME in the UK has trouble shifting GW guides; we still have both Factions AND Prophecies guides in stock, and we generally only get guides in with the first release of a product. People just don't want them; they realise its updated far too often. Something like WoW can get away with it but not a game that gets fixes every week.
Chimaera
When i first got the game i found the prima guide very usefull, especially regarding what class combinations to use and what different items salvage to with each level of kit, very good introduction, better than guildwiki for noobies because they don't know what to search for yet.
The official factions guide on the other hand was imo pretty poor, hence why i wont be buying a nightfall one even if they are released.
The official factions guide on the other hand was imo pretty poor, hence why i wont be buying a nightfall one even if they are released.
Jongo River
I've never read a Prima guide, but I know they have a lousy reputation on every forum I've ever frequented and with enviromental issues these days, why support the printing of near useless books?
Knightsaber Sith
This thread is to discuss if/why the Prima guide was canceled; we don't need every other person to leave their two cents on why they don't like the guides. Try to stay on topic.
Hand of Shiva
Wow Ingram... I think you need to take a step back and a few breaths buddy, for a second there I thought you were going to jump through my monitor and slap me. I don't know about this whole underground player consipracy trip but i do know that places like guildwiki, guru, gwonline and others have always provided good quality maps and info, much better then the guides ever did. That being said I do enjoy getting the guides because well its nice to add them to the collection and even if the info is wrong due to updates and the like at least the general info is right and the background info provided in the factions guide made for great bathroom reading.
That being said, I picked up my copy of Nightfall on Saturday from Gamestop. When I asked the manager there about the guide he went to his computer and told me they weren't expecting any in till this thursday. After reading this forum I'm not exactly sure if he was telling me the truth or if he just wanted me to come in so he could mug me.
I'm not inclined to trust everything I hear out of the moderators at Prima, they tend to randomly throw out info that is hit or miss. After reading the posted forum article on prima it seems like that moderator was just throwing something out there. As for Gaile I've found her answers to be less then confirming. Her answers always seem very dodgy and avoiding, which i can understand since thats what PR people do.
That being said, I picked up my copy of Nightfall on Saturday from Gamestop. When I asked the manager there about the guide he went to his computer and told me they weren't expecting any in till this thursday. After reading this forum I'm not exactly sure if he was telling me the truth or if he just wanted me to come in so he could mug me.
I'm not inclined to trust everything I hear out of the moderators at Prima, they tend to randomly throw out info that is hit or miss. After reading the posted forum article on prima it seems like that moderator was just throwing something out there. As for Gaile I've found her answers to be less then confirming. Her answers always seem very dodgy and avoiding, which i can understand since thats what PR people do.
Jugalator
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If so this is indeed a sad day for all of the GW community... and IT will be the downfall of the company. Because the min they insult the fan base with such actions and make them criminals in their eyes, they will see their fan base disappear... Don't believe me? Ask the music industry how their sales in any form have been in recent years... The image of someone holding on by their fingernails comes to mind...
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Well, there were still many Einsteins who finished Nightfall within mere days so I think there is still hope for the rescue of Elona!
As for this whole strategy guide thing, I'd vote for going after ArenaNet's comments on this ("we have not announced a guide") before online stores. They tend to make up and assume things prematurely in their competition to draw preorders, at least from my experiences. I have no clue how ISBN registrations work, but it's pretty obvious ArenaNet is saying one thing (and they ought to know, right?) while at the same time not a single guide actually seem to ship. Adding 1 + 1 now gives...? Gaile gave reservation for possible future announcements on this, and I'd think it's just best to give this a rest for now.
GuildWiki and forums are excellent resources anyway.
Hand of Shiva
Excellent resource yes, but I can't exactly take my desktop with me for a camping trip can I? There must be strategies made around the campfire! The stone summit must suffer for my forced tenure in the wilderness away from my computer! Actually sometimes printed stuff is just easier on the eyes to read for some folks and it makes an excellent tool to hit bugs with or that annoying friend trying to steal your last fry.
I checked in again with my local gamestop manager and he still has the Prima Guide listed for delivery tomorrow. I guess if I show up and theres one sitting there waiting for me I'll have this boot legged copy of a guide that will sell for millions of pennies! Either that or I'm going to go postal on him for making me waste gas driving down there to pick up a guide that isn't there.
I checked in again with my local gamestop manager and he still has the Prima Guide listed for delivery tomorrow. I guess if I show up and theres one sitting there waiting for me I'll have this boot legged copy of a guide that will sell for millions of pennies! Either that or I'm going to go postal on him for making me waste gas driving down there to pick up a guide that isn't there.
EternalTempest
I too prefer a physically hard copy. Even though back info (salvage, etc) and skills change. The Quest/Mission guide maps are great. Some people don't like to read lots of text via screen.
And "Unofficial" guides come out all the time. Question is did Anet yank it from them so they decided to do there own and Anet is blocking them or working on a new deal with them?
And "Unofficial" guides come out all the time. Question is did Anet yank it from them so they decided to do there own and Anet is blocking them or working on a new deal with them?
The Pointless
Gameplay.co.uk has delisted it. Thank [insert Red Engine inducing word here] they only charge for what they dispatch.
I was wondering why it hadn't turned up...
I was wondering why it hadn't turned up...
Ruby Lightheart
i got the guilds for the maps but other than that they werent helpful at all. The info in it was not helpful at all and I found more info available online from fan sites. I am one of those players whom plays the game and gets my armor as I progress though. What I would have liked the guilds to have done was not tell me shortcuts but give indepth info bout builds both pve and pvp, pictures of armor , weapons and pets with their stat info (prima did give the stats somewhat)...things like that something Prima seemed to..well..fail at
Pynne
No guide eh? That sucks... what am I gonna read when sitting in the bathroom?
Dougal Kronik
Prima Games online still has no listing for Guild Wars Nightfall.
Painbringer
Barnes and noble has taken it away as well
rxtracid
Am I mistaken that the original Guide (Prophecies) was done by Prima and the Faction's Guide was done by Anet? It was my understanding that this was the case. It made sense that Anet wanted the revenue that came from Guide sales. I do find it odd that they are not planning on doing one again this year.
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Perhaps the creation costs were too high, which may have lead Anet to look into Prima doing the guide again this year. My guess is that the initial process was started (They have a cover design for it and everything ->SEE HERE which is STILL on Amazon), but for some reason or another it never fully got off the ground or Prima pulled-out/was released. (others giving GuildWiki credit for this doesn't seem far-fetched).
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<speculation>
Perhaps the creation costs were too high, which may have lead Anet to look into Prima doing the guide again this year. My guess is that the initial process was started (They have a cover design for it and everything ->SEE HERE which is STILL on Amazon), but for some reason or another it never fully got off the ground or Prima pulled-out/was released. (others giving GuildWiki credit for this doesn't seem far-fetched).
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Kern Wolf
I was under the impression that the best games usually have a guide of some sort, which is why I'm finding it puzzling that there wasnt one available at Nightfall's release. Whether you liked it or hated it, it DOES serve a purpose of at least answering general questions about gameplay, skills, professions, quests, and general maps about the missions--- questions that a lot of people (myself included) have to waste a lot of time trying to get answered---from people playing the game themselves, to accessing other web sites that might answer these questions. I know I use the guide to at least get a general idea about a particular mission or quest---I dont need the description to be 110% accurate, but a "general direction" type of thing works for me (I'm not exactly thrilled with the idea of starting out on a mission, and fumbling along, HOPING I'm going in the right direction).
While guildwiki, no doubt, is an excellent source of information, it is, unfortunately, subject to what most web sites suffer-- from lag from a lot of people trying to access it at the same time, to suffering the occassional outage. Nothing like wanting to get some piece of information, no matter how important or trivial, and finding the web site is down...
I'm also more than a bit puzzled by a lack of response from ANET or NCSOFT on this issue. A guide only helps enhance the understanding of what's going on---especially for those who are getting into Guild wars for the first time. You cant exactly count on the ingame community to answer everyone's questions--everyone's playing, or may not know the answer themselves...
While guildwiki, no doubt, is an excellent source of information, it is, unfortunately, subject to what most web sites suffer-- from lag from a lot of people trying to access it at the same time, to suffering the occassional outage. Nothing like wanting to get some piece of information, no matter how important or trivial, and finding the web site is down...
I'm also more than a bit puzzled by a lack of response from ANET or NCSOFT on this issue. A guide only helps enhance the understanding of what's going on---especially for those who are getting into Guild wars for the first time. You cant exactly count on the ingame community to answer everyone's questions--everyone's playing, or may not know the answer themselves...
Eugaet
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They have a cover design for it and everything...
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My preorder is still active on Amazon, though, so I'm still hanging on to a shred of hope...
Dougal Kronik
Is there any way to get some word from Anet on the possibility of a Nightfall guide?
Domino
The first Guild Wars prima guide was freaking terrible.
Books about online games are about as usefull as a nun's tit. The game is constantly changing, constantly improving. The next time A-net releases a patch, your 20.00 guide is turned into a 10 pound paperweight.
Books about online games are about as usefull as a nun's tit. The game is constantly changing, constantly improving. The next time A-net releases a patch, your 20.00 guide is turned into a 10 pound paperweight.
LifeInfusion
Whatever, they suck anyway. Guild wiki is filling up every day and if they do release a Prima guide it will be outdated if any patches are introduced.
Dougal Kronik
It's not the point that the guide is poor or outdated after the first patch.
There is some information on quest progression, mission maps, skill listings (not descriptions), and hecnie/monster information. This is pretty static.
But sometimes I, and others that have posted, like to "read" something tangible in our hands. Maybe in the bathroom, maybe in bed before going to sleep, maybe on long road trips, or if you went camping.
I use wiki as much as the next player, but I would still like to have a guide, with the pull out map, to complete my set and to read or look at pictures of screenshots or maps.
There is some information on quest progression, mission maps, skill listings (not descriptions), and hecnie/monster information. This is pretty static.
But sometimes I, and others that have posted, like to "read" something tangible in our hands. Maybe in the bathroom, maybe in bed before going to sleep, maybe on long road trips, or if you went camping.
I use wiki as much as the next player, but I would still like to have a guide, with the pull out map, to complete my set and to read or look at pictures of screenshots or maps.
Mister Overhill
My original guide is in pretty bad shape. I used the heck out of it, and kept it updated with notes. My daughter still has the pull out map hanging up in her room. Sure, I use wiki a lot, but the guide was a real help. The Factions guide wasn't that great, but it's had plenty of use as well.
Disappointed about the cancellation of the Nightfall guide.
Disappointed about the cancellation of the Nightfall guide.